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Everything? Ummm, I'll just answer the 5 W's? Who? So far the only real applications of sound are the ones used by the Sound ninja, along with other uses, but the more prominent users are from there. The 3 sound ninja, were the first 3 people shown to use and manipulate sound, however they used devices instead of actual chakra conversion. The devices just amplified sound and they used their chakra to super enhance and manipulate it. There was Tayuya from the sound 4, who used it to cast genjutsu along with the frog chant with sage mode jiraiya and the elder sage toads.
What? Sound is just oscillation of air. That is pretty much it lol, there are several ways to make sound, and almost anything someone does creates a sound, even if just a little.
Where? Ummm...Everywhere? The only place sound can't be in is a Vacuum, because sound needs a medium to travel through. Places like space cant have sound because there isn't a gas, liquid, or solid to have it pass through, it is just nothingness. Kind of illogical for it to happen anyway.
Why? Because...logic?
How? Sound is created by just oscillated air pressure. A requirement is that wind and lightning must be mastered, which I would assume because of lightning's vibrating nature and wind being actual air currents, lightning changes the nature of the air currents and makes it into sound. It makes it operate in the form of Waves instead of currents. Canon, must people used a device to amplify sound, but in the RP, it's just chakra conversion isn't it?
 

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What is sound irl? Sound is just oscillation of air. That is pretty much it lol, there are several ways to make sound, and almost anything someone does creates a sound, even if just a little. Sound is everywhere but the only place sound can't be in is a Vacuum, because sound needs a medium to travel through. Places like space cant have sound because there isn't a gas, liquid, or solid to have it pass through, it is just nothingness. Kind of illogical for it to happen anyway.

Sound in the naruto context? Sound is created by just oscillated air pressure. A requirement is that wind and lightning must be mastered, which I would assume because of lightning's vibrating nature and wind being actual air currents, lightning changes the nature of the air currents and makes it into sound. It makes it operate in the form of Waves instead of currents. Canon, must people used a device to amplify sound, but in the RP, it's just chakra conversion isn't it?
 

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You can use a device, if you wish. But yeah, pretty much.

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That was decent, I'll give a little more in-depth.

Real life:

sound is vibrations that travel through a specific medium, and can be heard when it finally reaches the ear. Sound waves are caused by vibrations of objects and such, and they travel from said source outwards. There are two types of waves: Longitudinal waves and transverse waves.

The definition for each:
Longitudinal Waves - waves in which the displacement of the medium is in the same direction, as the direction of travel of the wave. I.e looking something ideally like this.

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Transverse waves - Are at right angles as opposed to being in the same direction. Real life Sound also contain different pitches, notes and frequencies. I'll cover the remaining of this later on, but for now the normal hearing frequency of people is between 20 Hz and 20 000 Hz, so anything above or below this, it can't be heard by the human ear.

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Narutoverse:

Sound in the Narutoverse could almost be considered the same as real life but with the obvious different of the one within Naruto is create through the usage of combining two chakra natures, can you tell me which two? using this sound, allows the user to create or produce sound waves or vibrations. This means that these vibrations can be used in various ways, from disorienting the opponent to inducing Genjutsu.

So there are three types of sound that one can produce:

1. Destructive Sound Waves
2. Hindering Sound Waves
3. Genjutsu Inducing Sound Waves


Each of these have their own ways of causing damage. I'll put it like this, destructive sound waves can cause physical damage to the opponent, so it's more the offensive/defensive one. hindering sound waves can cause the opponent to be disoriented, and their effect is more mental, or supplementary in nature. Lastly, genjutsu inducing sound waves are used to induce a genjutsu on an opponent through the use of frequencies, which is can be described as Offensive/Defensive and Supplementary.

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I also forgot, how do you plan to use sound within your fighting style, as well what do you think are strengths and weakness of sound? Like what is it weak against and what is it strong against?
 

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Those 2 imgs gave me a headache @_@

The two chakra natures are Wind & Lightning

Hm mainly for genjutsu purposes I guess.

Neutral to fire and lightning I suppose. Heat would make it faster by moving the molecules at a faster rate in a so to say scientific term, so I'm guessing in our RP its the same? If yes then ya neutral

Weak to wind

Strong to earth and other solid base elements. Strong or neutral to water?
 

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I'll explain that now:

Strength of Sound Release is its speed. To a different element there is no real strength against. I mean it can go against other elements and break them up but still that doesn't mean it is strong against that one element.

It is neutral to elements like Lightning and Fire. Lightning seems to not to do anything to Sound. Fire on the other hands can make the sound faster because of the heat it gives off and the sound absorbs that heat increasing the molecules in it.

Sound is also weak to gas like elements.

Sound is weak against wind because it disrupts the air and the frequency of the sound waves.

Earth is actually quite weak to sound, it can be shattered with ease.
Let's go with this. You put up a wall between us, and I clap. Can you still hear the clap?

With water, somewhat. But the water merely increases the damage cause by the sound. So in a sense. Sound is strong to water also.

Hope that answers your questions, any more about the strengths and weakness?
 

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This next thing is explained all by Wesobi my old sensei. It explains everything you need know, (bit lazy on my part. But still can't explain any better then Wes)

First of all, a frequency is measured in Hertz. A frequency in theory is how many waves pass a certain point in a certain amount of time. So, basically, the lower the interval, the higher the frequency.

Now, the cool thing is, adjusting the frequency. A higher frequency is a higher pitched tone, while a lower frequency is a lower pitched tone. If you listen to music and hear the bass, the frequency is lower. You can also feel it in your body a lot more than high frequency tones, because generally those are harder to perceive in the first place. The neat thing is, that this allows us to alter the effects of sound techniques by altering the frequency. That being said, you probably see how versatile sound actually can be, and how it can create different effects. Even if you can't hear something, the sound waves are still there and can still have effects on your body

humans can only hear certain frequencies, or a range in between 2 frequencies. Generally, this is about 20 - 20 000 Hertz. Now, as you grow older, your body gets older as well, and you start to have trouble hearing high frequency tones. This is why younger people generally hear a lot better than old people. I was wondering if you speak in a lower voice, if people with hearing problems would understand you better, but I'm unsure (though it makes sense).
This does not mean that higher/lower frequencies do not effect the body! Remember that!

About the ultrasonic: Ultrasonic are simply sounds above 20 kiloHertz (20 000 Hertz) and thus above what humans can actually perceive. Other animals, like dolphins and dogs can perceive these (think, the dog whistle). These range from 20 KiloHertz into several MegaHertz. This is also what they use for sonograms (you understand what this is?) and such. Infrasound is the opposite (below 20 hertz)


Oh, one more thing I'd like to add, and this is particularly useful against Mugi's Radio Frequency/Wave CE. Low frequency sound waves generally move easier through rocks/earth than higher frequency ones. Think about your cellphone, when you move through a tunnel, the reception sucks.


Now, realize that sound can move through any medium. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! Though we needs some sort of limitations, and it's reasonable to say wind is a good counter to sound if it can be seen (doujutsu) or heard, but at that point it might be too late (depending on how a technique is used and how the effects are). Earth, however, depending on the situation (and the level of understanding of the usage by the opponent) can be a devastating counter as well.
Now, look below:

-Speed of sound:
solid > liquid > gas.

Sound moves fastes of all through solids. Generally, this is because the particles and atoms in earth are more tightly packed than they are in liquids or gas. So, the closer the atoms/molecules, the faster sound moves.

- Elastic properties
There is a catch in between different solids. Sound moves faster through rigid solids (i.e. steel, iron) than other things like jelly. This is because solids that are rigid generally mean that the atoms and molecules have a much stronger force of attraction towards each other than in other solids. This is because of the fact that, once moved, they move back to their original position/form more quickly (and thus resulting in a much higher vibration speed). jelly in this case has much weaker attraction between the molecules, that's why it's so "elastic" (not to be confused with elastic properties), and much more flexible.

- Density
Next to this, there is the density. Now, more dense substances = more mass. More mass=bigger molecules. Because sound is based on kinetic energy that travels from one point to another, moving through denser objects means it has to use more energy, seeing as it has to move (vibrate) larger molecules. This however is used for substances with the same elastic properties.

To explain this take two examples with nearly the same elastic properties. Gold and aluminum (Gold = 10.8 psi; aluminum = 10 psi). While they nearly have the same elastic properties, gold is much denser, so it will travel faster through aluminum than gold.

Another funny thing is, this effect does not quite work the same in gaseous media.

Let's say it's hot hot hot in one side of the room, and cold cold cold in the other side. The logic explanation is that sound would move faster in the cold air (since it's denser), but that isn't the case!

Heat, like sound is a source of kinetic energy. More heat = More kinetic energy = more energy for the sound. This leads up to the fact that they can vibrate faster in hot air.
 
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