[Theory] Listing possibilities for Naruto and Sasuke to survive

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I might have missed, that it was only sage mode, that provided healing. But I don't think it was said, that his normal chakra could not provide healing? Which is what Sasuke recieved.

Handless regeneration was an ability Madara recognized in Hashirama Senju, and confirmed the bloodline ability when Tsunade awakened her Byakugou.

Also, manga showed us already that Hashirama could only use self-regeneration when he used Sage Mode, so Madara naturally could show this feature after having Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This is not an Uchiha ability.
 

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TBH We are more on the same page than I thought we were. Though Naruto meeting the So6P will definitely happen two facts kind go against it.
1# Hinata asking Neji to protect Naruto ( makes me think Naruto may see Neji in the afterlife)
2# Gaara knows what he is doing (its no mystery anymore that what Kurama told Gaara was a way to save Naruto) Where ever they are headed its gonna be a planned effort. Gaara wouldn't know about the Sage cuz I don't even think the Kyuubi knows that the Sage will make a reappearance

Finally, Sasuke will TNJ Madara. I don't think it will work, but it will possibly get Madz to slip up and give Sasuke an opportunity for Hashi's jutsu.

One last question: What's your opinion on how Madara survived. I am kinda partial to genjutsu

You do have a good point about Neji. I could see Naruto meeting Neji in the afterlife. We kind of saw a Naruto, that (once again..) lost will to live, since he lost Kurama. He saw all the hard effort he used to free the bijuus vanish, and so it is no wonder, if he just gave up. Neji could be the one to kick his ass back in motion. But I could also see a possibility for Jiraya to make an appearance in the afterlife, as he has already met his mother in another way, though this would go against my theory of how this whole afterlife thing makes sense.

I do think Kurama knows something, because the sage said, that all the bijuus would once be together again (I understood that as they would all be sealed to the same person). They all now feel, that this person has to be Naruto. Of course it would seem strange, if he knew it would be possible for Naruto to meet the SO6P, but I do think he knows, that Naruto can gain some of his powers that way.
Whether, what Kurama told Gaara is directly related to that, or it mainly focuses on saving his life, I don't know.

Regarding Madara's survival..
Hmm, at first I was thinking genjutsu due to the signs with the thunder and the moon. The only moment where Hashirama was distracted, was due to that.

Then theories about this body splitting technique (the one Muu used) started to flourish, but I never really like them, because Hashirama has sage mode, and he can't possibly be so bad at sensing chakra, that he wouldn't realise something like that. Unless Madara had used that jutsu before the battle even started, which could somewhat make his current power-level make sense. But that would raise a lot of questions, such as why not just kill Hashirama and everyone else using the Kuybi and other tailed beasts, he could quickly gather.

Also it does not seem possible, that he actually died and was later revived by someone, because of the conversation Madara had with Kabuto after smashing the boulders over Gaara, Onoki, and co.

So I guess I'm still down to genjutsu, not that I like it, in fact I dislike it very much, but it's the only theory I find plausible at the moment. Tbh, I doubt it so much, that I think he survived in a manner, which we cannot predict, because it either involves a jutsu, which is unknown to us, or it involves using a jutsu in a manner, which we did not think, would be possible.
 

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Handless regeneration was an ability Madara recognized in Hashirama Senju, and confirmed the bloodline ability when Tsunade awakened her Byakugou.

Also, manga showed us already that Hashirama could only use self-regeneration when he used Sage Mode, so Madara naturally could show this feature after having Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This is not an Uchiha ability.

Where was it shown, that he could only do it during sage mode?? Did we see him injuried enter sage mode to heal anywhere? If so I cannot find it, though I do have a vague memory of the situation now. :S
 

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Handless regeneration was an ability Madara recognized in Hashirama Senju, and confirmed the bloodline ability when Tsunade awakened her Byakugou.

Also, manga showed us already that Hashirama could only use self-regeneration when he used Sage Mode, so Madara naturally could show this feature after having Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This is not an Uchiha ability.

@Bolded: Umm bloodline ability? Tsunade's hand-sealess regeneration is a technique she devised not a blood-line ability. Her technique takes inspiration from Hashirama's abilities but it is NOT the same ability. Hashirama gained that ability through his sage mode.

And if my suspicions are right Hashi's Sage mode is the slug version which heals the user. Tsunade likely failed her Sage training and set about creating a substitute for her inability. Makes sense no? The slugs can heal their summons does it not make sense that their sage mode does the same?

Kinda dumb that Madara obsessed over such an ability which has jack to do with Hashirama's body.

Where was it shown, that he could only do it during sage mode?? Did we see him injuried enter sage mode to heal anywhere? If so I cannot find it, though I do have a vague memory of the situation now. :S

Yes there is an instance of this, its when Hashirama faced Madara at the VoE and activated his sage mode. You can see the marks and slight abrasions that Hashi had suffered during his battle heal once sage mode activated.
 
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@Bolded: Umm bloodline ability? Tsunade's hand-sealess regeneration is a technique she devised not a blood-line ability. Her technique takes inspiration from Hashirama's abilities but it is NOT the same ability. Hashirama gained that ability through his sage mode.

And if my suspicions are right Hashi's Sage mode is the slug version which heals the user. Tsunade likely failed her Sage training and set about creating a substitute for her inability. Makes sense no? The slugs can heal their summons does it not make sense that their sage mode does the same?

Kinda dumb that Madara obsessed over such an ability which has jack to do with Hashirama's body.

The ability to regenerate using Yang chakra comes in the bloodline of the Younger Son of the Sage of Six Paths that through ages became the Senju Bloodline.

The Uzumaki Clan was said to be related to the Senju, and henceforth Naruto was born with great regeneration abilities, improved by Yang Kurama.

It's not so strange taking in mind every factor manga has given us until now.

Also, about Madara/Hashirama/Naruto, the only time when they regenerate is when their Yang Chakra is amplified by the Sage Mode (with the exception of Naruto in VotE, that after being impaled by Sasuke got regenerated when his cells activated, this was his Yang chakra in action).

You should go back to Naruto's Sage Mode training, there is explained the effects of Senjutsu chakra... it is the amplification of both Yin and Yang energies.
 
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Yes there is an instance of this, its when Hashirama faced Madara at the VoE and activated his sage mode. You can see the marks and slight abrasions that Hashi had suffered during his battle heal once sage mode activated.

Yeah, that is where I thought it would be as well, but that is simply not it. The marks he has from battle doesn't change much from activating sage mode, perhaps some are hidden by the marks from sage mode, but it certainly doesn't heal him.
 

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Yeah, that is where I thought it would be as well, but that is simply not it. The marks he has from battle doesn't change much from activating sage mode, perhaps some are hidden by the marks from sage mode, but it certainly doesn't heal him.

I stand corrected, However how do you explain Madara's sealess healing at the moment? I mean you have to be pretty obtuse ignore the connection between the facts that Madara specifically gained Hashirama's sage mode BEFORE engaging any enemies.
 

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I stand corrected, However how do you explain Madara's sealess healing at the moment? I mean you have to be pretty obtuse ignore the connection between the facts that Madara specifically gained Hashirama's sage mode BEFORE engaging any enemies.

Yeah, it's not that I didn't think the exact same thing. I also completely agree, that it is the most logical reason, however, we still lack actual prove that it is related to sage mode, which was my point the entire time. That is also why, we cannot negate the possibility of Sasuke gaining self-regeneration.

I still however, for the same reason as you, doubt that he will get it. It would make more sense, if Hashirama was so concerned about binding the sage mode, because that would stop his self-regeneration and thus make him less immortal.

I just don't like to remove possibilities, that we aren't 100% sure about, even if it's 90% :)
 
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