Lion vs Tiger vs Bear

[Swizzik]

bears are to slow for lions and tigers and are also weaker
lions > tigers is a scientific fact

LOL bears a weaker than tigers are you ****ing with me?

 

[Exaar]

A Bear would Slap the Shit out of a lone Tiger/Lion.

 

[Immortal Kiizuki]

The duck would obviously win here, people.. :/

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Lions? Tigers? Bears? Oh my

 

['Kurapika]

Lions? Tigers? Bears? Oh my

what had the base turned into ? xd

 

[Silver Prime]

There are more account's of lion's killing bear's and tiger's than vice versa, and there are more account's of tiger's killing bear's than vice versa. But if it's selective attribute's than a 850 pound prime grizzley would fair well against a 600 pound tiger, but a 600 pound lion would own both, as he has already more time's than vice versa.
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Beside's who made that awful stastistic's chart of all three, that's a horrible estimation along with false and random data.

 

[KAGE RYUU]

i watched a special on bears and lemme tell you this unless is a tiger and a lion vs the bear then the bear will win the lion and tiger are faster but as soon as they bite into the bear it would demolish them literally crush there spines in one blow

 

[Silver Prime]

You dont say? I do have the data proving big cat's are superior to any bear an killing bear's more than you can provide of the oposite, shall we have go?

 

[Silver Prime]

So let's see if this work's...
Okay well I guess I'll break the ice then...
Now to clarify the standard's of there weight's, a grizzley does not average anything what ton's of secoundary site's say, such as wiki or grizzley world, or any other fan base site, I'll only except weight's that directly proven they are weighed, no estimation's.
Here, these are what brown bear's average as weighed in a census...
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Yellow stone grizzley bear’s real weighed weight’s

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Now, we are talking the average bear, not a freak of nature, which I'll implement a bear can reach pass the 1,000 pound mark, yes I know... but I would bet a 850 pound fit prime brown bear would take out a world record 1,700 pounder Kodiak, why? Bear's are classed omnivore's an have an exact same geno imprint that we human's have, of store-ing different type's of nutrient's albiet a prolonged dietary suplement subsituting the carnivore's meat eating gene, of other energy extract's instead of fat/bulk storage container's, which omnivore's have and not carnivors, that is why a human can also reach a 1,000 pound's, but would that extra weight give any leverage in a fight in combat? Sorry but no.
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It would be the same way a 260 pound brock lesnar, would be able to just slap around a 1,000 pound human, he is not mobile to even operate at basic jogging let alone just walking, it's the same imprint on bear's.
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Now, people get the mis-interpintaion of weight's, if a census has weighed 10 bear's an all 9 male's are 400-600 pound's an 1 is 1,100, that does not mean they average 800 pound's no it just mean's one was 1,100 pound's, implementing they can breach the barrier but it would be a rarity, the same way the average human weigh's around 170 pound's if there was 10 human's weighed an 9 were 170 pound's an 1 obese human was 1,000 pound's that dosent mean human's will average 700 pound's...the same way you would hardly find 800 pound lion's and tiger's, Buuut there are 800 pound lion and tiger's an some even heviar then that, but again bear's are prone to vegitaion an bug's, honey, poltry an other dietary supliment's that there omnivore gene store's different type's of nutrient's.
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We are going to talk average, again bear's as you could see by one of the census I showed, which I'll get more weight's that I have in my data base a little later for more credability. Now, even brown bear's dont grow as big as you think they do, they average the same size of your average lion and tiger, here let me show you some adult's...
Bear and lion size comparioson

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Black an brown bear's arnt really monster's like most site's claim they are, again I'm not saying it's really rare for bear's to get big but were trying to enphinsize a wild scenario not a captive over weight, tamed pit fight.
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The superiorty of anatomy goes to the lion and tiger for having a much harder bite, bear's are omnivore's an have there back teeth smaller an less densar than lion's and tiger's more for eating vegation here's showing a bear's back teeth...

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An here's a lion...

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an here's a tiger an grizzley bear skull showing a bigger skull for more pressure implimatented in who has the harder bite's...

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The physiology of there teeth size's an built show the bear's blunt teeth are more for vegitation and are very small, while the lion's and tiger's have bigger more dense jagged teeth, for tearing meat and breaking bone's.
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Even the bone denisty of alaskan brown bear's have been showed to have the same density of african lion's at 1.27, yet bear's have more cavity's in there marrow which make's them more brittle, as lion's have less marrow in there outer wall's for more acrobatical movement's with maintaining output power. So that exploit's the fable of bear's being able to shatter a lion's skull, which bear's were never known to be striker's only more of sumo wrestler's, an there claw's biliogyare made more for digging up clam's or searching and stashing food's more than actually a combat weapon, which it still is, yet lion's and tiger's are retractable, for gipping an/or tearing.
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Bear's are actually not good fighter's, before I get into the heavy hitter's of the lion and tiger, I'll implement size is not the only factor, by naming a few account's of just there smaller cousin's the puma besting an killing adult black and brown bear's here...
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1.)*Cougar kills black bear in fight to the death.
One oft-mentioned tussle between a black bear and a cougar was apparently observed by Major John C. Cremony, who served with the U.S. Boundary Commission in the Southwest Between 1849 and 1951. Cremony, accompanied by Apache guides, had been hunting cougars along the Pecos in the vicinity of what is now Ft. Sumner when the group heard a dreadful but unidentifiable sound. Curious as to what could be making such noises and seeking out the source, they came upon a life-and-death battle between a cougar and a black bear. The bear was quite evidently not enthused about the encounter and would have liked to have broken off hostilities and gone away, but the cougar was apparently deeply intent upon killing the bear. After a number of skirmishes, the cougar successfully clawed through the bear's vital organs. After despatching the bear, the cougar licked its wounds, took hold of the bear's carcass, and dragged it to a more secluded place, where it began to cover the carcass for a later meal. It was at this point that one of the Apache guides killed the cougar.
~ Cremony, Life Among the Apaches, 1951, 225-26, a reprint of the 1868 edition.
2.)Female Cougar and Grizzly Bear fight.
Ernest Thompson Seton (1929, 90-91) writes that G. W. Ferguson "recorded" a fight between a grizzly and a female cougar that was witnessed by two miners working a claim near Murry, Idaho. It was reported that a female cougar had a den and kittens in the vicinity, and when a grizzly, apparently unknowingly, approached the den, the mother cougar attacked the grizzly. During what the miners described as a fierce battle, the combatants fell off a mountain ledge and both where killed as a result of the fall. The miners claimed the cougar was still hanging on to the grizzly's cheek with her teeth; the bears back and throat were torn and lacerated and "his belly hide ripped into ribbons, mute evidence of the fact that all her paws with their 18 sharp claws had not been idle" (612).
~ Ernest Thompson Seton (1929, 90-91)
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3.) Another instance of deadly confrontation between a cougar and black bear took place some time prior to 1800 near Schuylerville, now Saratoga, New York. An early settler, Mynheer Barhydt, had just built a cabin within Bear Swamp and witnessed the battle. Barhydt indicated that the bear had discovered the cougar's den and, in the absence of the mother cougar, killed the cougar's young. Soon thereafter, the cougar arrived and attacked the bear, reportedly with an awesome display of fury. The cougar eventually implanted her claws so deply in adversary's body that the bear could not throw her off. In the struggle, which Barhydt claimed lasted more than an hour, the two animals rolled over each other into a ravine, and when all became still Barhydt looked down, over the edge, and saw both animals were dead. (Stone 1975, 137-39, and Bradley 1940, 116).
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4.) "According to Frank Post of Big Sur, mountain lions sometimes were taken in the live traps built near Monterey to catch bears for the arena. Then a bear-and-lion fight would be aranged. Mr. Post saw such a contest at Castroville in 1865 when he was six years old, and remembered it vividly. The lion, which seemed to have no fear, leaped onto the bear's back and while clinging there and facing forward scratched the grizzly's eyes and nose with its claws. The bear repeatedly rolled over onto the ground to rid himself of his adversary; but as soon as the bear was upright, the cat would leap onto his back again. This agility finally decided the struggle in favor of the lion."

(California Grizzly,*Tracy*Irwin Storer)*************
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5.)***"The Indians of California told stories of fights between grizzly bears and lions, with the lion normally the winner, and hunters and others relate stories of fierce conflicts with no clearcut winner, and most often two losers. They describe them as terribly noisy fights with the ground torn up where the skirmishes occurred. The bear would rise to meet the cat's thrusts and throw the cat to the ground. The cat would grasp the bear near the throat and use its hind feet to rake the bear's stomach and chest. The bear was stronger, but the clawing of the cat was highly effective, injuring the bear and causing it to release its holds. Normally they would part, both bloody and battered and neither the winner."

(The Great Bear Almanac)
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6.)** "Three California accounts detail something of the antagonism between the grizzly and the mountain lion, or panther. Livingston Stone (1883 : 1189) was told by the McCloud River Indians that the panther always killed the grizzly when the two fought. They said that the grizzly was afraid of the lion and that the latter would spring on the bear's shoulders and cut its throat. Stone saw places in the mountains where the ground had been torn up, evidence of a desperate conflict between a panther and a bear. The Indians said they had found bears killed by panthers but no panther a bear had killed."
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(California Grizzly)
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7.)*** An actual bear-and-panther fight in the central coast region was watched in the 1840's. Three hunters, originally seeking a female grizzly with cubs, had been grounded by the escape of their horses. Going cautiously along a creek bordered by willows and grapevines, they approached a waterfall that plunded into a green, transparent pool over which a large tree had fallen.
* * * * “With the sounds of the torrent came . . . the growls of two wild beasts, alternate and furious.
* * * * On the right hand, squatted on one end of the bridge, was a small, male grizzly, and opposite to him, at the other end, a fully grown panther, who was tearing up the bark of the trunk, and gathering and relaxing herself as if for a spring. The alternate roaring of these infuriated beasts filled the valley with horrible echoes. We watched them a minute or more. The bear was wounded, a large flap of flesh torn over its left eye, and the blood dripping into the pool. My companion bade me shoot the tiger, while he [Colin Preston] took charge of the bear. We fired at the same instant; but, instead of falling, these two forest warrior rushed together at the centre of the bridge, the bear rising and opening to ceceive the tiger, who fixed her mighty jaws in the throat of her antagonist, and began kicking at his bowels with the force of an engine. At the instant both rolled over, plunged, and disappeared. We could see them struggling in the depths of the pool; bubbles of air rose to the surface, and the water became dark with gore. It may have been five minutes or more before they floated up dead, and their bodies rolled slowly down the stream. (Anon., 1857 : 823., California Grizzly)
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An please, if anyone is going to bring in the california grizzley archive's then bring the root source, not the edited one or the hear say one, just the real record's because I have read a few page's from the priginal book, yet everyone hasnt been honest what the book really state's which was bear's lost when american settler's demanded in keeping the fight's fair an exploited that they gave every leverage to the bear, by sawing off the bulls horn's using a broken down abondin lion again they state the bear won every time yet the book only mentioned one with a lion an when the fight's were kept fair horses bull's an other animal's killed the bear so often, that bear's were then only pitted with donkey's, until the sport died out becuause it wasnt worth vuying a bear for such high cost an the other animal's would often be the victor's.

 

[kmrasengan]

maybe the bear, he is biiger and can stand on his feet and attack with claws before the lion and tiger come close to bite him, but the tiger is very powerful so it's a little hard to decide

 

[Silver Prime]

Here's around 60 account's of tiger's killing bear's...
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Unless anyone can match 60 account's of bear's killing tiger's, than look's like the bear is in 3rd place and tiger is in 2nd place for now.

 

[Silver Prime]

Man I'm a-shame of being a tiger fan that people would lie on account's tiger's have killed lion's, the nerve of these guy's. HUH!
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Exploited and faked account’s and bullcrap leverage’s
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#1.Everland of white tiger killing

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Now first of all, the artcle say’s the lion was new,which is bullcrap… that lion is named cameron who was with that zoo since he was a cub and came in with that tigress named Zabu who are now with big cat rescue.
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Now look at these picture’s of them playing, an tell me exactly how is the camera man suppose to have get that picture he took at that distance before the people who patrol the zoo’s with there car’s always’s broke up fight’s hundred’s of time’s? And how’s this camera man suppose to get that shot at that persice moment it happened when the distance are so flush and looks as the exact distnace as these right here…
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Here’s a Url saying zabu cleaning cameron XD
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one picture frame away… does it look familiar? XD XD

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Oh what’s that is that a name I see on the top corner of the page.

Huh! That’s right caught in the act, I’m a landscaper and ground’s keeper for 8 year’s and studyed the biology of hundred’s of different grasses, and the grass in the picture with the so call death and Cameron’s and zmabu collection of picture’s are the same. I even emailed everland’s resort and they stated that, that never happened and cameron the lion is still alive today. You don’t belive, then here, here’s there contact email and phone number to get a hold of them, yourself…

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#2Here’s another tiger fanatic lying punk, who said there was 6 lion’s used on 1 tiger Huh! Really 6, give me a break, here it is…

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Here’s a person graphing all the tiger’s showing just like a human’s finger print, no tiger has the same stripe’s, showing there was indeed 3 lion’s vs 3 tiger’s like the real movie’s narrirator said.

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Ive seen the original video, it had nothing to do with them fighting it was a documentaion of all the animal’s of india, and none on youtube have the original, which suppose to have a narrirator talking, stating that beside’s all the animal’s they descirbed for the fight scene the lion’s and tiger’s that fought the tiger’s couldent land a death grip and gassed them selve’s out. But lion #2 mauled the big male tiger.
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#3Another one is junglar the fighting tiger who killed 31 lion’s. this is a fake account and a missprint. First there was an article that had numbering’s of junglar killing them with the number’s 31, after I confronted the guy who showed it, I told him I read 4 document’s of junglar an they stated he didn’t fight any lion’s he was famous for killing a lot buffalo’s and was the first tiger who brought down a rhino, who a few tiger’s failed to do. Who also he killed a few other tiger’s and said it must have been a misprint because I know the king of oude had very few lion’s.
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This mook then stated I was lieing, and showed a revised one saying in wording, look now….

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It say’s thirthy one lion’s in wording’s you cant misprint letter’s, and I’m lieing about the what I’m saying. XD XD Then I said you were caught in the act because when you revised the new one that said wording’s of the number’s the date you edited it was still there an this one has a different name from junglar to gunga … an I said okay here’s where it state’s the King of oude had only 3 lion’s, here…

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In those site’s and those book’s, they state the King of oude had only 3 lion’s it look’s almost uncanny that he just put 1 after 3 to make 31, than changed it in another to wording’s to make it look lgeit and after confronting him with the real document’s he never replyed back hmmm…I wonder why? XD

 

[Silver Prime]

More tiger fanatic's lie-ing on account's...oh the shame...
#5 The same idiot named Ptigirs who made the account of 6 lion’s with Gir has many account’s on you tube here’s another one of his faked one’s of being a lion hater…

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And here’s the real account he changed the wording’s from…
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Even saying that the lion’s were african…, leo presica is the closer relitaive to the barbary lion which astiatic lions have 70% more chance’s to grow belly mane’s due to the indian humidity of dense forest’s which the male’s in the gir video had belly mane’s, It is rare for african lion’s to ever grow belly mane’s, here’s example’s of how the asiatic and african lion look differ…
African lion's no belly mane, an barly look's like the gir video fight lions...

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Asiatic lion's who have belly mane's an look like the Gir video fight lion's.

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#6 Ton’s of people use Prison of the harem with performing acting lions and tiger’s as an account, which say’s the tiger killed the lion,

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XD That’s only people reading the story’s plot, that the tiger killed the lion,, he didn’t actually die, it was only a scene for the movie no lion’s were ever killed for any movie. Only the movie the big cage, had 3 tiger’s die, one was bobby the tiger the star for the movie and other 2 were suppose to have been the star of defeating the lion ceasar, for the scrpit the director wanted a tiger winning…but the first 2 tiger’s died so fast that there wasent any footage to be recorded, but Bobby was the one who was aired in the movie, who Cesar killed. Shown in this article shown 3/4th’s the way down this page here…

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Clyde beatty was asked in general who beat’s who, which he stated lion’s would gang up on tiger’s though only if they are intermidiate family member’s… like brother’s or son’s and father’s, in many other article’s he state’s lion’s are exlellent free for all fighter’s where tiger’s cant handle the pressure of those bout’s, also the big cage exhibition for the movie was 1 on 1 in demand from the director, not clyde beatty who is only the trainer, who stated he actually dident want the fight in many article’s, but if he dident take the role some other person unexperinced, would have gotton killed.
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#7 More tiger killed lion bullshit faked account’s.

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[Silver Prime]

Holy moly more people faking tiger killing lions account's, why?
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#8 Ankara incident 2011 bullshit account it wasn’t a male tiger it was a female.
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#9 Gwailor baroda, {WIKI’s Source} Leofwin on animal vs animal .com has presented the account showing that there was no death…
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#10 The big cage movie, people said it was a female tiger, clyde beatty the person who trained those lion’s an tiger’s said his name was Bobby as in a guy’s name Bobby vs Ceasar here’s a pic of the male tiger as you can see it’s a male what do male’s have female’s don’t? Ball’s….. lol

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Bullshit leverage’s
--80% OF Tiger account’s are of male tiger’s killing female lion’s. an under age lions, which we all know the male lion’s are the fighter’s…you know size, dominace, power, mintality, here’s there account’s of all female lion’s being killed by male tiger’s
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1.Male tiger kill’s Lioness in bangalore, 1954
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2.Male Tiger kill’s lioness in Mysore, 1946

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3.Male tiger kills lioness in Milan 1951
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4.Male tiger kills lioness in culcutta mengerine.
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4.Male tiger kill’s female lion in marco peter’s reserve.

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5.John varty’s biggest Male tiger named Seatao, kills savana the lioness in tiger canyon.

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6.Burr robin’s circuss male tiger kill’s fermale lion.
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7.Male tiger kills lioness 1869 Getty’s berg.
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8.Fort lauderdale male tiger kills female lion.
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9.Bronx zoo a big bengal tiger named rajah killed heruta a 3 year old female lion.
The New York herald reported an accidental bout between a mature Bengal Tiger and a 2 year old Lion cub named Huerta. Zookeepers deemed the combat unequal, as Huerta was a nearly-maneless adolescent and his opponent, Rajah was an adult twice the cub's size. While Rajah succeeded in killing Huerta, he did not escape unscathed. The Tiger left the battle with lacerations along the back and neck, a missing ear, and only one eye.

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10.Perth W.A male tiger kills female lioness

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1. The tiger named mogul vs the lion named prince account…
At last, with bars of iron and long whips, they beat Prince off from Mogul.
Huh? If Mogul was claimed to be winning the fight why did they beat Prince the lion with {Iron Bar’s} an {Whip’s} to get him {OFF} mogul? If they didn’t on a top position like that, mogul would have soon been dead.
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2.Staford’s animal reseve, a tigress kill’s {3;…3 month old cub’s} Need I say more? There cub’s.

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Exploiting of big cat expert John varty who is (wiki’s source) who claim’s lion’s are inferior to tiger’s because of weak jaw power, which he stated… the lion has never in history craked open a turtle’s shell like the tiger, well… here’s another exploitation here…
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Mabel stark’s Bia’s lion hater.

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She gave her opinion that a tiger would beat a lion, yet in her book’s an article’s she stated countless time’s it’s not that she didn’t like lion’s she right out hated lion’s so of course you know where her opinion went.
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Korean’s pull out the lion’s claw’s and teeth, to give leverage’s to there symbol the tiger…

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{Expert’s, Trainer’s, Scientist, Owner’s, Zoologist’s Opinion’s on Lion vs tiger’s}
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1.Tiger an lion Expert Dave hoover, said lions are the better fighter’s.

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2.Indian Zooligist Jam sahib exploit’s bias cat enthusiasist “Karish singe” an witnesses 4 ocasian’s lion’s beat tiger’s an give’s his opinon on lion’s.

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3. Animal Trainer and Expert Louis Roth, favors the lion over the
tiger in a fight. In his book

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4. Animal Expert Alfred court, thinks the lion wins over the tiger in a fight[Book]

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5.Animal Trainer John Helliot, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight he’s the guy on the right hand side of clyde beatty who also had a lion kill a polar bear article.

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6.Animal Expert Dave Salmoni, says he’d give the edge to a lion in a
fight with a tiger.

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7.Animal Tamer Clyde Beatty, said lions will win 9/10 against tigers.

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8.Animal enthusiast and poet Oliver Goldsmith, ranked the lion over the tiger.

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9.Animal Expert an Tamer Courtney cooper, said lions usually win more
in tiger fights. In her book she state’s
LIONS"N"TIGERS"N"EVERYTHING 1924 By Courtney Riley Cooper.
Page 32, I like the tiger cat more than I like the lion cat.
Page 68, lions are "King Of Beasts"
Page 70, lion kills a tiger in a very brutal fight.
Page 78, Cooper says lion is "King Of Beasts" and a good father.
Pages 84-85, FEMALE tiger kills heavier MALE tiger defending her cubs.

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10.Poet an painter an animal enthusiast Geroge Buffon, picked lions over tigers in a fight.

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11. Big cat trainer Jim Chipperfeild support’s the lion in a fight with a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

 

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12.Big cat trainer Edward. jewitt wheeler, say’s the lion is superior to the tiger. {Lion vs tiger Book}

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13.Big cat tamer, Isac kaufman funk, agree;s lions are superior to tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

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14.Lion an tiger trainer, Willam seaver wood’s, say’s a lion would beat a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

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15.Tiger an lion tamer Arther stimson Draper, says lion’s uaslly win against tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

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16.Brother of Isac kaufman funk, wilfred john funk agree’s lions are superior.
{Lion vs tiger Book}

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17.Marco peter’s lion and tiger trainer say’s male tigers are afraid of male lion’s.

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18.Big cat expert Alex Kerr goes with a lion in a fight with a tiger.
19.Indian zooligist Kalish shankala say’s lion’s beat tiger’s due to mane’s.

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20. Sir Frank . owner of bowstock say’s lion’s are more dangerous than tiger’s.

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[kmrasengan]

dude you can't double post, it might get you an infraction and get you banned.

 

[Silver Prime]

there not double posted... there different people...I cant see a double post I'll go an check again if they are I'll just delete them, but you should look closer there all different expert's see the number labeling???

 

[Silver Prime]

Or do you mean, I have to be posting directly to someone... is that what you mean by I cant post 2 in a row?

 

[kmrasengan]

you can only post one post at a time, if you post 2 or more times in a row you can get an infraction