Lightning moving at 1/3 the speed of light.

[Imperious]

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Do all projectile lightning techniques have a base speed of 1/3 the speed of lightning? Or only Kirin, being natural lightning?​

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[BenjerminGaye]

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Do all projectile lightning techniques have a base speed of 1/3 the speed of lightning? Or only Kirin, being natural lightning?​

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good question.

Real world logic yes, all lightning techs should be at that speed.
Manga logic no. It's only kirin. Kakuzu's tech for example got out sped by kakashi.

It does open up a bigger question. Are elemental techs stronger when the use the actual element as a medium instead of using your chakra to create the medium.

I.e. Kisame's water sharks he spits out his mouth or the ones he forms out of preexisting water?

 

[Belserion]

Only Kirin probably as it's natural lightning.
More so it's impressive how fast Itachi managed to activate his Susano'o.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Only Kirin probably as it's natural lightning.
More so it's impressive how fast Itachi managed to activate his Susano'o.

kirin is fast sasuke's hand is not.

 

[Belserion]

kirin is fast sasuke's hand is not.

Sasuke's command happened before the activation of Susano'o, Itachi wasn't covered in chakra to say the least.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Sasuke's command happened before the activation of Susano'o, Itachi wasn't covered in chakra to say the least.

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it's impossible to tell in that scan -_- and it's illogical to assume sick itachi's reaction are that good when the man can't even dodge fuma shuriken.

 

[The Necromancer]

Natural Lightning moves that quickly, but man-made lightning created by chakra is not.

 

[Dgrayman]

it's impossible to tell in that scan -_- and it's illogical to assume sick itachi's reaction are that good when the man can't even dodge fuma shuriken.

simple, plot

 

[Detonator99]

good question.

Real world logic yes, all lightning techs should be at that speed.
Manga logic no. It's only kirin. Kakuzu's tech for example got out sped by kakashi.

It does open up a bigger question. Are elemental techs stronger when the use the actual element as a medium instead of using your chakra to create the medium.

I.e. Kisame's water sharks he spits out his mouth or the ones he forms out of preexisting water?

Wans't kakashi stated to be able to cut a lighting bolt in part 1? so i think it that feat of his holds a little bit of merit.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke's command happened before the activation of Susano'o, Itachi wasn't covered in chakra to say the least.

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This is Itachi we're talking about after all I wouldn't except anything less from him.

OT chakra is converted to lightning, then given form before being discharged, it isn't lightning itself so only kirin moves at lightning speed.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

good question.

Real world logic yes, all lightning techs should be at that speed.
Manga logic no. It's only kirin. Kakuzu's tech for example got out sped by kakashi.

It does open up a bigger question. Are elemental techs stronger when the use the actual element as a medium instead of using your chakra to create the medium.

I.e. Kisame's water sharks he spits out his mouth or the ones he forms out of preexisting water?

I think this is true, and further proven by how it was mentioned at one point how “amazing” tobirama was for being able to do such suiton jutsus without sources of water around, insinuating that a jutsu would be more powerful using the actual “raw” element like kirin did

 

[BenjerminGaye]

simple, plot

So you have no proof that itachi didn't have his susanoo activated but still wanna use the plot excuse. lol

Wans't kakashi stated to be able to cut a lighting bolt in part 1? so i think it that feat of his holds a little bit of merit.

well yeah but if we really hold kakashi to that then his physical speed and reactions would be way higher than they actually are. The only way the hype would hold true is if the "lightning bolt" he cut wasn't natural but shinobi made.

I think this is true, and further proven by how it was mentioned at one point how “amazing” tobirama was for being able to do such suiton jutsus without sources of water around, insinuating that a jutsu would be more powerful using the actual “raw” element like kirin did

I'd have to factor that in more debates.

Another follow up question tho. When Kisame spits out a lake as seen vs team guy.Does kisame get the "preexisting water" benefit.

 

[DrProof]

it's impossible to tell in that scan -_- and it's illogical to assume sick itachi's reaction are that good when the man can't even dodge fuma shuriken.

Itachi reacted to Sasuke's hand, obviously not Kirin lol.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi reacted to Sasuke's hand, obviously not Kirin lol.

kirin is fast sasuke's hand is not.

I already tried explaining that to these fckboys.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obviously not. People slower than Itachi have dodged or outsped various Raiton Jutsu yet Itachi himself couldn't dodge Kirin.

 

[The Necromancer]

Itachi reacted to Sasuke's hand, obviously not Kirin lol.

If Susano'o came out any earlier than the explosion, Zetsu and Sasuke would have seen it. They didn't, so it didn't.

 

[DrProof]

If Susano'o came out any earlier than the explosion, Zetsu and Sasuke would have seen it. They didn't, so it didn't.

So in your head, you think a sick, blind, and on the verge of dying Itachi dodged one of the fastest techniques presented in the manga? All based on a ridiculous notion that because Kishimoto didn't incorporate Zetsu, or Sasuke reacting to Susano'o's materialization it didn't happen. You really actually believe Itachi reacting to Kirin makes more sense than Itachi reacting to Sasuke's hand.

Alright lol.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

So you have no proof that itachi didn't have his susanoo activated but still wanna use the plot excuse. lol



well yeah but if we really hold kakashi to that then his physical speed and reactions would be way higher than they actually are. The only way the hype would hold true is if the "lightning bolt" he cut wasn't natural but shinobi made.




I'd have to factor that in more debates.

Another follow up question tho. When Kisame spits out a lake as seen vs team guy.Does kisame get the "preexisting water" benefit.

I don’t think so, simply cause if there was an existing water source there would of been even more water to begin with

 

[The Necromancer]

So in your head, you think a sick, blind, and on the verge of dying Itachi dodged one of the fastest techniques presented in the manga? All based on a ridiculous notion that because Kishimoto didn't incorporate Zetsu, or Sasuke reacting to Susano'o's materialization it didn't happen. You really actually believe Itachi reacting to Kirin makes more sense than Itachi reacting to Sasuke's hand.

Alright lol.

If Susano'o came out any earlier than the explosion, Zetsu and Sasuke would have seen it. They didn't, so it didn't.

Within the contexts of the manga, he did. Kishimoto's literary technique has no bearing on the facts of the manga.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So in your head, you think a sick, blind, and on the verge of dying Itachi dodged one of the fastest techniques presented in the manga? All based on a ridiculous notion that because Kishimoto didn't incorporate Zetsu, or Sasuke reacting to Susano'o's materialization it didn't happen. You really actually believe Itachi reacting to Kirin makes more sense than Itachi reacting to Sasuke's hand.

Alright lol.

The guy makes it seem as if sasuke's or zetsu's eyes are infallible. Zetsu failed to see sasuke use oro substitution until itachi walked over to the corpse sasuke left behind. And the same applies to itachi even tho his ms is superior in tracking movements than sasuke's 3t. But you want me to believe that even tho that slipped past their eyes they're still gonna see itachi put up susanoo.

I don’t think so, simply cause if there was an existing water source there would of been even more water to begin with

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because 1 comes from a present water source and the other comes from a pre existing water source made of chakra