Lets settle this - Raw Sasuke VS Raw Naruto

[riley freeman]

takes even more prep than frog song....
gets canceled by FRS....
would be useless if Sasuke vision is obscured by dust cloud...


lol since when is kakashi faster than sennin mode naruto?

Plus if you reread the scan, we don't see what kind of position kakashi was in when he was unable to dodge it, and Sasuke had to fire 2 arrows in order to hit him.

lol, kirin >> frs, i suggest you re-read sasuke vs itachi and sasuke has sharingan, how would dust block his vision??

And sasuke fired the 2 arrows at once not individually so i dont see your point

 

[Styles]

for me, I'm used to V1 being ribcage, V2 being the full skeleton, V3 being skin, muscle and clothes, V4 being the big armored version.

But sure, by your definition it would be V2.

Even then Danzo had to use Baku a rare summoning with insane suction power to increase his power and it only cracked the back of it.

 

[lanakui8]

lol, kirin >> frs,

based on.... FRS having similar destructive power and having the elemental advantage?

i suggest you re-read sasuke vs itachi and sasuke has sharingan, how would dust block his vision??

same way hidden mist blocks madara's EMS, Kakashi's MS, and how dust cloud (which is dust made of chakra) blocked pein's rinnegan.

And sasuke fired the 2 arrows at once not individually so i dont see your point

so he needs to fire 2 arrows at once to catch kakashi in an unknown position

Even then Danzo had to use Baku a rare summoning with insane suction power to increase his power and it only cracked the back of it.

....it didn't 'only crack the back of it' it blew open the entire back exposing sasuke. That means it went through the clothing, skin, muscle and bone layers.
and when I said FRS is far more powerful than danzou's fuuton, that included baku's suction powering it up.

 

[riley freeman]

based on.... FRS having similar destructive power and having the elemental advantage?


same way hidden mist blocks madara's EMS, Kakashi's MS, and how dust cloud (which is dust made of chakra) blocked pein's rinnegan.


so he needs to fire 2 arrows at once to catch kakashi in an unknown position


....it didn't 'only crack the back of it' it blew open the entire back exposing sasuke. That means it went through the clothing, skin, muscle and bone layers.
and when I said FRS is far more powerful than danzou's fuuton, that included baku's suction powering it up.

Based on what manga has shown, Kirin destroys mountains, frs isnt even near

hidden mist was high level ninjutsu for assasins, are you comparing that to dust cloud? lol and peins rinnegan and sharingan are nothing alike in that aspect

So if kakashi( a ninja) was well composed, he would have dodged it?

amaterasu eats frs before it lands on susanoo

 

[lanakui8]

Based on what manga has shown, Kirin destroys mountains, frs isnt even near

FRS was never used on a mountain. As far as its destructive potential goes, FRS would destroy a mountain if it was allowed to expand to that size shown by it producing a mountain+ explosion after it missed pain and shown by it being more powerful than 25+ SM Chou oodama rasengans, each of which having the capability to hollow out 'a mountain'.

hidden mist was high level ninjutsu for assasins, are you comparing that to dust cloud? lol and peins rinnegan and sharingan are nothing alike in that aspect

....dust cloud is an even higher level ninjutsu than hidden mist as it's a senjutsu performed by the two great toad sages. If anything, pein's rinnegan > MS in perceptual ability. So no, Sasuke absolutely does not see through a dust cloud that blinded even greater eyes and is a higher level jutsu than hidden mist.

So if kakashi( a ninja) was well composed, he would have dodged it?

maybe

amaterasu eats frs before it lands on susanoo

- sasuke has to be outside of susanoo in order to use amaterasu
- sasuke can't amaterasu FRS if he's blinded by dust cloud
- sasuke is going to get massively chakra drained if he has to waste an amaterasu for every FRS naruto uses when naruto has the capacity to use at least 15 FRS (he entered SM 5x against pain and can use at least 3 FRS per sennin mode)
- Naruto can launch FRS from multiple angles at the same time
- amaterasu has to be powerful enough to turn FRS back, if it's not it'll just make FRS more powerful
- Naruto can use senpou chou oodama rasengan barrage

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Amaterasu one shots.

 

[riley freeman]

FRS was never used on a mountain. As far as its destructive potential goes, FRS would destroy a mountain if it was allowed to expand to that size shown by it producing a mountain+ explosion after it missed pain and shown by it being more powerful than 25+ SM Chou oodama rasengans, each of which having the capability to hollow out 'a mountain'.


....dust cloud is an even higher level ninjutsu than hidden mist as it's a senjutsu performed by the two great toad sages. If anything, pein's rinnegan > MS in perceptual ability. So no, Sasuke absolutely does not see through a dust cloud that blinded even greater eyes and is a higher level jutsu than hidden mist.


maybe


- sasuke has to be outside of susanoo in order to use amaterasu
- sasuke can't amaterasu FRS if he's blinded by dust cloud
- sasuke is going to get massively chakra drained if he has to waste an amaterasu for every FRS naruto uses when naruto has the capacity to use at least 15 FRS (he entered SM 5x against pain and can use at least 3 FRS per sennin mode)
- Naruto can launch FRS from multiple angles at the same time
- amaterasu has to be powerful enough to turn FRS back, if it's not it'll just make FRS more powerful
- Naruto can use senpou chou oodama rasengan barrage

nope, we have seen its range and its not that much and the only reason its better than chou oodama is because it destroys on a molecular level and compared to kirin....just dont

ok but he still has susanoo protection

Kakahi said it himself that he couldnt dodge it so you're wrong

-sasuke used fire ball inside of susanoo, he used enton inside of susanoo to stop the raikage
-yes he can, he can see chakra, besides he isnt going to be stationary
-yes but it gives him a better chance to use kirin which is the fastest tech in naruto( and he doesnt need chakra for that)
-Pein dodged frs easily, sasuke would do the same
-even if it gets more powerful and explodes, it wouldnt affect sasuke because he is immune to it
-not breaking susanoo

 

[lanakui8]

nope, we have seen its range and its not that much and the only reason its better than chou oodama is because it destroys on a molecular level and compared to kirin....just dont

Wait, so you're basically agreeing with me that SM FRS has the power to destroy a mountain, the only problem is that the techniques AoE is limited to its wind sphere?
FRS doesn't destroy on the molecular level, it destroys on the cellular level, and it's not just 'better' than chou oodama rasengan, it's so much more powerful than it damages kurama more than 25 Senpou Chou oodama rasengans. destroying on a cellular level is part of the technique's power, that's the same reason why jinton is so powerful: because it destroys on the molecular level.

If I can show you FRS producing an explosion or having an AoE greater than a mountain would you concede that it cancels out kirin?

Kakahi said it himself that he couldnt dodge it so you're wrong

yeah, he couldn't dodge it in whatever situation he was in.

-sasuke used fire ball inside of susanoo, he used enton inside of susanoo to stop the raikage

he must have opened susanoo's ribs up like madara did

-yes he can, he can see chakra, besides he isnt going to be stationary

we've been over this, dust release blinds him, Pein couldn't even see gamabunta in the dust cloud.

-yes but it gives him a better chance to use kirin which is the fastest tech in naruto( and he doesnt need chakra for that)

agreeed

-Pein dodged frs easily, sasuke would do the same

pein didn't dodge FRS easily, sasuke would only do the same if he's not using susanoo. When he's using susanoo he becomes much less mobile as his body gets weakened from using the MS, not only that but susanoo is a huge target.

-even if it gets more powerful and explodes, it wouldnt affect sasuke because he is immune to it

silly rabbit, sasuke isn't immune to enton, he can cancel it, or he can try to take control of it, but until he does he's going to take it just like anyone else. But anyways, sasuke's susanoo isn't immune to enton.

-not breaking susanoo

why wouldn't it when each one can hollow out a mountain?

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke wins this

--without kurama naruto is not beating sasuke

 

[utake]

its like sayin who will win jiraya or itachi, and well i'll say naruto, if he last long in battle sasuke will lose the light in his eyes, and naruto will have the oportunity to kill him like useless sakura almost had, but if naruto can't last well possibly sasuke wins but i still think naruto will win

 

[RomanCyborg]

well you must have forgot that without kurama, sm is not possible for him. Nor is that large chakra. Sasuke was born better.

 

[RomanCyborg]

lel, MS Sasuke who got beat by literally everyone. Kakashi, Raikage, B, Danzo, Mei, Ohnoki, Gaara, I could go on.

Nope. I don't remember him exactly losing to any of these above

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke's MS power fade with time, so in the end Naruto would be the superior one with his SM mastery

 

[RomanCyborg]

How can Naruto enter sage mode if he never had Kurama at his side? Don't sages need great chakra, and didn't his great chakra come from Kurama? He wouldn't even be able to make as many clones without it. Sasuke is naturally better than Naruto overall.

 

[lanakui8]

How can Naruto enter sage mode if he never had Kurama at his side? Don't sages need great chakra, and didn't his great chakra come from Kurama? He wouldn't even be able to make as many clones without it. Sasuke is naturally better than Naruto overall.

Where was it ever implied that his great chakra came from kurama?

 

[RomanCyborg]

Where was it ever implied that his great chakra came from kurama?

That's what he relied on throughout the anime/manga, so that's what I'm assuming. Don't think his speed would give sasuke'a sharingan much confusion either, considering that Kurama isn't there to give him the whole cloak and such. And also, I'm assuming it's not high enough for sage mode because nothing was mentioned of his chakra being incredible without Kurama.

 

[lanakui8]

That's what he relied on throughout the anime/manga, so that's what I'm assuming.

You mean his jinchuriki forms like KN0? He was able to make a thousand bunshins in base in the first chapter. He was able to make a thousand bunshins against gaara. He was able to make a thousand in his training for fuuton rasenshuriken, a time where we know he didn't want to use kurama's chakra after his talk with yamato.

Don't think his speed would give sasuke'a sharingan much confusion either, considering that Kurama isn't there to give him the whole cloak and such. And also, I'm assuming it's not high enough for sage mode because nothing was mentioned of his chakra being incredible without Kurama.

Naruto is an uzumaki and Kushina's son at that, he's going to naturally possess enormous amounts of stamina and chakra. Yamato even said that

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The reason why minato made a tiny amount of kurama's chakra able to leak out of the seal was so that naruto could eventually do

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Not so that naruto's reserves become way higher than what he'd normally be at.

So no, unless you can show that without kurama drastically increased naruto's base reserves or that without kurama naruto wouldn't have enormous amounts of chakra, he still has his enormous reserves and thus can eventually use sennin mode.

 

[RomanCyborg]

You mean his jinchuriki forms like KN0? He was able to make a thousand bunshins in base in the first chapter. He was able to make a thousand bunshins against gaara. He was able to make a thousand in his training for fuuton rasenshuriken, a time where we know he didn't want to use kurama's chakra after his talk with yamato.


Naruto is an uzumaki and Kushina's son at that, he's going to naturally possess enormous amounts of stamina and chakra. Yamato even said that

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The reason why minato made a tiny amount of kurama's chakra able to leak out of the seal was so that naruto could eventually do

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Not so that naruto's reserves become way higher than what he'd normally be at.

So no, unless you can show that without kurama drastically increased naruto's base reserves or that without kurama naruto wouldn't have enormous amounts of chakra, he still has his enormous reserves and thus can eventually use sennin mode.

Good facts. All makes sense. In that case, I think it can go either way really. Naruto surpasses Sasuke in the field of chakra, which is major, but for some reason I see Sasuke as a more intelligent and skilled individual.

 

[HalcyonDays]

Tsukuyomi gg.

 

[King Of Pop]

Frog sound is overated. That is not a game changer as there too many factors to consider, too lazy to explain. Sasuke wins this