Lets face facts. Kakashi > Edo Madara.

[Shady Doctor]

>_> I just disagree with this.

Madara is a boss and would never lose to kakashi.

Mu, Madara & 3rd Raikage FTW!!!!!!

 

[KingHashirama]

Actually, each MS has different abilties. Itachi was the original person to have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. He transfered his powers to Sasuke.

Kakashi has Kamui, which is different than amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

Once both eyes awaken MS then the user can use susanoo,

3 Essential abilities of the Mangekyo are: Susano'o , Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi


Naruto wikia on Madara uchiha: "Madara has since used his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan to control the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. Madara demonstrated the ability to use Susanoo — and is therefore also able to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu by extension — though they have yet to be seen."


Kamui is the only "special technique".

 

[fastrthnwind]

Look at William24's post on page 6. MS is the medium for the jutsu. Like MS is the medium for all the other MS jutsu.

Look at my reply post. It isn't a medium at all.

 

[fastrthnwind]

3 Essential abilities of the Mangekyo are: Susano'o , Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi


Naruto wikia on Madara uchiha: "Madara has since used his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan to control the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. Madara demonstrated the ability to use Susanoo — and is therefore also able to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu by extension — though they have yet to be seen."


Kamui is the only "special technique".

The naruto.wiki tends to be a bit inaccurate at time, and this is one of them. susanoo can be used by anyone who awakens the ms in both eyes.

 

[ODDtobi]

No way.Madara would tank that.

 

[AP2k]

Plausible, ill give you that

 

[6pathofpain]

Edo Madara his on his own doing very well against 5 kages. Rinnengan>sharingan. Kakashi is nowhere near any of the kages except Tsunade. If your trying to troll than good job,but if your not then, I don't know what to do with you Dante. I thought I knew you.

No where near any of the kages, beside tsuande? :sy: I think kakashi has a fare chance at beating all the kages.

His sharingan will help him dodge A's attacks. A is weak against genjutsu not to mention kakashi can out smart him.

The mizuakge isnt even strong

Gaara will be difficult to get to but kakashi's probably to smart for him as well not to mention gaara doesnt know kakashi's attacks an kakashi knows gaara's.

Oonki would be difficult cause he can fly

And kakashi maaaay smash tsuande unless she does that shit with all the tattoo's or whatever.

Kakashi knows all elements, has sharingan, one of the brightiest minds battlewise in naruto, and has great taijutsu. Dont underrate him like that.

I would have went into more detail but i have to go...

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

The MS isn't a medium.

It simply summons techniques when chakra is channeled to it. Amaterasu isn't made of chakra, otherwise it could be absorbed by peta path during nagato's fight with itachi.

In the same respect, kamui isn't made of chakra because it is summoned as a s/t warp

Ama and Kamui aren't the same. I agree about the thing with Ama. I actually made a thread about it if you want to read.

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I think Ama is more of a summoning ninjutsu. Kamui creates a barrier to bend S/T. So since it creates a barrier the barrier is made of chakra.

 

[Shady Doctor]

Edo Madara his on his own doing very well against 5 kages. Rinnengan>sharingan. Kakashi is nowhere near any of the kages except Tsunade. If your trying to troll than good job,but if your not then, I don't know what to do with you Dante. I thought I knew you.

Look at my reply post. It isn't a medium at all.

Eh the reply about not absorbing ama? Simple.

Amaterasu HAS chakra but preta path can't absorb physical things just the chakra.. nagato absorbed the chakra but not the flames.

That's like if someone uses say... a earth dragon, Madara could absorb the chakra thus stopping the users control but the big ass rock dragon will still be there.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Ama and Kamui aren't the same. I agree about the thing with Ama. I actually made a thread about it if you want to read.

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I think Ama is more of a summoning ninjutsu. Kamui creates a barrier to bend S/T. So since it creates a barrier the barrier is made of chakra.

They aren't exactly the same since one is a summoned chemical reaction while the other is a summoned s/t warp.

Kamui is just a summoned s/t ninjutsu. The barrier isn't physical, but just a parameter for kakashi to warp matter away. The more chakra kakashi channels to the MS, the bigger he can make the barrier/parameter for the warp.

(OMG my fingers are burning right now >.<)

 

[Gitch]

Ive read the first 5 pages then i asked myself this question ..... If preta path absorb chakra does this mean Tobi will lose intengability and S/T technic since those thech require chakra to use ?

 

[KingHashirama]

The naruto.wiki tends to be a bit inaccurate at time, and this is one of them. susanoo can be used by anyone who awakens the ms in both eyes.

Sasuke after getting his own Mangekyo Sharingan, was able to use Amaterasu on his own.


And so far Naruto wikia has not shown to be inaccurate on Eyes , KKGs , And Jutsus.

The 5 Essential moves of The EMS are: Susano'o, Izanagi, Izanami, Tsukyomi, Amaterasu .. All named after gods. EVEN THO Izanago and Izanami are Forbidden techs

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Eh the reply about not absorbing ama? Simple.

Amaterasu HAS chakra but preta path can't absorb physical things just the chakra.. nagato absorbed the chakra but not the flames.

That's like if someone uses say... a earth dragon, Madara could absorb the chakra thus stopping the users control but the big ass rock dragon will still be there.

Actually preta can absorb physical things that are made up of chakra, like Jiraiya's oil. The Earth dragon thing is correct as long it is made up of preexisting earth.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Eh the reply about not absorbing ama? Simple.

Amaterasu HAS chakra but preta path can't absorb physical things just the chakra.. nagato absorbed the chakra but not the flames.

That's like if someone uses say... a earth dragon, Madara could absorb the chakra thus stopping the users control but the big ass rock dragon will still be there.

Amaterasus doesn't have chakra at all.

Most physical ninjutsu like your earth dragon are made completely of chakra, and is therefore completely absorbed when preta path is used against it.

 

[Bogard]

@lol99: Chakra is used when Kakashi uses the sharingan because that is the only place it is used, just the sharingans base abilities that only take place in the eye. Kamui's barrier is away from Kakashi's body, and the chakra used makes up the barrier itself.

@Bogard: Nothing proves that Kamui is faster than Ama. It still has a prep time based on the size of the barrier created. Once released, both hit the target instantly but Kamui has to close the barrier around the target to do damage. Ama does damage as soon as it hits.

Here Kamui doesn't do any damage because it didn't close onto the target

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Ama does its damage as soon as it hits.

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Look at this pic:

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Amaterasu doesn't appear instantaneously. It travels. Look it carefully and you will see blood even already touching the floor, so even before Amaterasu is released, Sasuke needed his eye to bleed a lot, and even when it's released, it doesn't touch Raikage at the start, it converges to hit the target(Raikage), then Raikage avoid it, and then again it continues to travel to hit the Samurai who was behind. So even when Amaterasu is released, it is not that instant. It's only that it travels very fast

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

They aren't exactly the same since one is a summoned chemical reaction while the other is a summoned s/t warp.

Kamui is just a summoned s/t ninjutsu. The barrier isn't physical, but just a parameter for kakashi to warp matter away. The more chakra kakashi channels to the MS, the bigger he can make the barrier/parameter for the warp.

(OMG my fingers are burning right now >.<)

You have your opinion and I have mine. It could go either way but we won't know unless we see it in the manga which we probably won't.

 

[fastrthnwind]

You have your opinion and I have mine. It could go either way but we won't know unless we see it in the manga which we probably won't.

I understand, but you haven't shown to me where the barrier is considered to be chakra. In the databook, it doesn't say that the barrier is made up of chakra at all.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Look at this pic:

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Amaterasu doesn't appear instantaneously. It travels. Look it carefully and you will see blood even already touching the floor, so even before Amaterasu is released, Sasuke needed his eye to bleed a lot, and even when it's released, it doesn't touch Raikage at the start, it converges to hit the target(Raikage), then Raikage avoid it, and then again it continues to travel to hit the Samurai who was behind. So even when Amaterasu is released, it is not that instant. It's only that it travels very fast

Ama instantly appears on he spot the eye focuses. If the point that the eye is focusing changes then it goes to the new point. This was shown with Itachi vs Sasuke and is the reason why the Samurai got hit. Ay moved so fast that Sasuke's didn't realize so his eyes refocused on the samurai.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I understand, but you haven't shown to me where the barrier is considered to be chakra. In the databook, it doesn't say that the barrier is made up of chakra at all.

It also doesn't say it a summoning. This is all speculation.


I'm getting off. About to play some COD

 

[Carlhens]

I'm a kakashi fan but I don't think he can beat Madara