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This is known why do you think kishi did the whole BZ betrayel
Madaraʻs juubi form might be stronger than obitoʻs, but nothing was said about his onmyouton being stronger than obitoʻs. If Obitoʻs onmyouton can be damaged to such an extent by a mere normal-sized TBB, itʻs going to get completely vaporized if it goes up against something likeObito's face was revealed but showed no sign of damage, while it was also said Madara's juubi form was stronger than obito's, whos to say rasenshirunken sage nuke bomb will break through it? theres no solid evidence that says so, and the only way gai even got inside the TSB was because of kamui, He did break through the other side but eight gates is no joke you even heard the man himself complimenting gai on being the best taijutsu user he ever fought.
Madara didnʻt react to hirashin, he reacted to tobirama coming out of hirashin, and thatʻs completely irrelevant since I brought a scan showing madara canʻt even mentally react to sasukeʻs S/T, while Sasuke canʻt even touch kaguya with it, yet naruto outright blitzes her.I just showed you a scan on where madara reacted to the 2nd's HARISHIN(FTG) am I wrong? is the manga wrong? one eyed sage mode madara reacted to harashin, imagine 3 eyed juubin jin shinju tree absorbed Madara; Naruto not blitzing nothing.
If madara compliments sasuke on his speed, then obviously sasuke is at least as fast as madara. If sasuke is as fast as madara and sasuke canʻt even touch kaguya with the aid of hims S/T (something madara doesnʻt even have) how in the world is madara going to not get blitzed by naruto who blitzes kaguya?you are right, madara did compliment sasuke on his speed aswell but he didn't have to stop it he already had the eye to go to the kamui dimension he had to act fast sakura was about to destroy his other rinnegan. but that don't mean madara getting blitzed again he reacted to harashin he's not gonna get blitzed by anyone lol..
Based on what did sasuke KNOW it would enslave naruto? And that has nothing to do with pushing naruto and sasuke into a corner. I can bring you scans of juubito being forced to block one of tobiramaʻs attacks with his onmyouton, does that mean tobirama > juubito and that tobirama pushed juubito into a corner? Absolutely not.Sasuke was forced to rush to the ground to cover Naruto knowing IT would enslave Naruto thus leaving sasuke by himself which stands no chance against madara. he was forced to save Naruto because he knew he needed him for madara. that's what I call being pushed to a corner. he was forced to do so, because if not he woulda lost the fight, so what do you call that again? and also not to be childish but who pushed who back last? you know the answer to that question I have provided many scans showing madara pushing Naruto and sasuke back without lifting a finger.
Kaguya was an even greater version of naruto and sasuke put together and she was getting pushed back by naruto alone. Madara in no way shape or form is naruto and sasuke put together, if anything heʻs an inferior version of naruto and an inferior version of sasuke put together based on feats, hype, portrayal, verbal statements and everything.rinnegan techs, sage mode, juubi powers, TSB, 3rd eye madara takes this bro, he's Naruto and sasuke put together plus more.
This is you conceding the argument as youʻve flat out ignored my post which stated that because madaraʻs limbos took over a chapter to defeat a single clone 1 vs 1 from a noob naruto whoʻs clones were restricted to taijutsu, they get fodderized when naruto uses 8 instead of 4 and has his clones use rasengans and rasenshurikens.limbo alone would be enough imo, shadow clone was not an affective counter as madara still had multiple limbos before being stabbed in the back. and limbo has been shown to tank any damage thrown at madara including the so6p's chakra techs.
Madaraʻs juubi form might be stronger than obitoʻs, but nothing was said about his onmyouton being stronger than obitoʻs. If Obitoʻs onmyouton can be damaged to such an extent by a mere normal-sized TBB, itʻs going to get completely vaporized if it goes up against something likeYou must be registered for see linksAnd thatʻs just base naruto, thatʻs nothing compared to a TBB rasenshuriken or the rasenshurikens he was using against kaguya.
Sure 8th gates ʻis no jokeʻ, but Gaiʻs direct punch against madara didnʻt do anywhere near the damage narutoʻs youton rasenshuriken or sasukeʻs chidori eiso did to him, and the former attack wasnʻt even concentrated on madara as naruto expanded it to cut the entire shinjuu massively reducing the power inflicted on madara. If an attack incomparably weaker than narutoʻs or sasukeʻs easily busts madaraʻs onmyouton defense, itʻs not doing anything against naruto or sasukeʻs attacks.
Now, what is YOUR evidence that narutoʻs rasenshuriken variants or sasukeʻs PS slashes/chidori eiso wonʻt fodderize madaraʻs onmyouton defense?
Madara didnʻt react to hirashin, he reacted to tobirama coming out of hirashin, and thatʻs completely irrelevant since I brought a scan showing madara canʻt even mentally react to sasukeʻs S/T, while Sasuke canʻt even touch kaguya with it, yet naruto outright blitzes her.
If madara compliments sasuke on his speed, then obviously sasuke is at least as fast as madara. If sasuke is as fast as madara and sasuke canʻt even touch kaguya with the aid of hims S/T (something madara doesnʻt even have) how in the world is madara going to not get blitzed by naruto who blitzes kaguya?
Based on what did sasuke KNOW it would enslave naruto? And that has nothing to do with pushing naruto and sasuke into a corner. I can bring you scans of juubito being forced to block one of tobiramaʻs attacks with his onmyouton, does that mean tobirama > juubito and that tobirama pushed juubito into a corner? Absolutely not.
So no, madara needing to use his complete set of limbos, CT, and Mugen tsukuyomi in order to merely force sasuke to go on the defensive has nothing to do with madara pushing naruto and sasuke into a corner, let alone pushing them into a corner without lifting a finger. Once again, Kaguyaʻs hair pushed naruto and sasuke far beyond what madara ever did.
Kaguya was an even greater version of naruto and sasuke put together and she was getting pushed back by naruto alone. Madara in no way shape or form is naruto and sasuke put together, if anything heʻs an inferior version of naruto and an inferior version of sasuke put together based on feats, hype, portrayal, verbal statements and everything.
This is you conceding the argument as youʻve flat out ignored my post which stated that because madaraʻs limbos took over a chapter to defeat a single clone 1 vs 1 from a noob naruto whoʻs clones were restricted to taijutsu, they get fodderized when naruto uses 8 instead of 4 and has his clones use rasengans and rasenshurikens.
The limbo clone was defeated by a mere jiton rasengan + black chidori, and itsYou must be registered for see linksThey get evaporated by any rasenshuriken variant (which is overkill).