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shikamaru laying down on the grass at the training ground, waiting for his sensei to come here, he thinks to himself as he watch's the clouds drift on by why couldn't I be a cloud? everything wouldn't be such a drag and I could just follow the breeze to where took mw
 
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Pick from the following list
Shin Yamanaka,
Ayane,
Hanya Oniwaban,
Ieyasu Uchiha,
Nekana of Kiri,
Ryu Hayabusa

To reference these are the characters in which I roleplay as to teach since you selected RP style training. So pick one of those people.

Then tell me just so far what you know of genjutsu in the series and in regards to our RP
 

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I pick Ieyasu Uchiha, shikamaru sees ieyasu uchiha come to the training ground and he thinks so this is my new teacher he thought, well at least I got taught genjustu by an uchiha they specialise in it, shikamaru hears ieyasu words which are what do you know about genjustu?, shikamaru thinks for a moment and says genjustu is created when a ninja controls the chakra flow of the opponent's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses, genjustu is mainly used to create false images or to cause pain from trauma (because the body is led to believe it is in pain); however, there are plenty of other uses depending on the situation like interrogating someone or showing them things that happened in the past like itachi did with sasuke, or you can even use it to control people to do your bidding seen when itachi used genjustu on the woman to distract jiriya to get naruto.

in our rp genjustu is mainly used as a form of combat and used to hurt a opponent mentally by having them think the pain is real, the other uses of genjustu isn't really useful in our rp unless we are missions that we may require them then like intergoating someone on mission doing it in a fight wouldn't help that much, that's all I know so far sensei
 

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"Hmph, for somebody within a clan of renown geniuses you sure lack a lot of knowledge" Ieyasu scoffed. "You still have a lot to learn, though I guess that's why they sent me to deal with you."

"Considering your fine lack of knowledge in genjutsu we'll be starting from scratch. First thing's first, the way our curriculum is set up in the Phantom Academy is as such; we group the genjutsu we teach you, not by rank, but by similarities and type. This save us the trouble of repeating ourselves multiple times and getting the message across to you much easier. Rank of the technique does not matter here. Second before we get even remotely close to techniques I'm going to need to fill your head with as much knowledge as possible about genjutsu as a whole since you're helplessly uninformed. So pre-training is required. Since you'll also be learning how to apply the techniques I'm teaching you you'll need to know enough to actually do that and not just a technique. The pre-training is conducted in these following steps;

Determining/Breaking Genjutsu
Casting Genjutsu
and Layering Genjutsu

Once you get through those steps then we'll begin techniques. Now, before we begin I'm sure you have questions."
 

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shikamaru got agitated by his sensei calling him stupid, he wasn't really familiar with genjustu but was eager to learn as it is used by a vast majority of ninjas. shikamaru reply's to his new sensei "yes I have a few questions I get how to determine lower genjustu like land changing, for when you walk on the blades of the grass they don't move or get squashed underfoot, but I wouldn't able to know how much pain I would have to make to break out the genjustu, the other question is when do we start sensei" I understand how the curriculum is going to work
 

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"I could put you in an illusion right now that made you feel the grass crush underneath your feet and you could hear it do so. The goal is to be able to discover nuances wherever they are regardless. We start now. You claim you know how to determine genjutsu through nuances, well what other ways might you or another shinobi realize they're in a genjutsu? It's important to know even if you're incapable of doing so in such a method because if you intend to use genjutsu it's smart to know or have an idea of your opponent's abilities. Your question about pain I'll answer at a later point. For now you need to focus on realizing genjutsu."
 

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you can realize genjustu if you are a charka sensor by checking if your charka flow is disturbed , there is also if you have the sharingan this can pierce through different ranked genjustu 1 tomoe D rank 2 tome C rank 3 tome B rank MS A rank EMS S rank these bot usually they have a higher degree of confirmation ability due to their ability's. though this is difficult as different genjustu have different affects some don't care that you know its genjustu but these will just inflict a lot of pain whereas discrete and the victim doesn't know their in a genjustu and this is harder to break out of.
 

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"Ordinarily I'd be hard pressed about revealing my own abilities but you're still missing quite a bit. Sharingan users aren't the only dojutsu capable of discovering if they're in a genjutsu, however they are the only ones with the ability to pierce an illusion as you said. Needless to say the Sharingan's abilities to pierce through genjutsu are limited to certian genjutsu which I won't tell and have you figure out at a later point in time. However every dojutsu user is capable of seeing chakra and detecting their own chakra in order to realize they're in a genjutsu. The important part, however, is realizing or suspecting you're caught in one. Some genjutsu are so subtle that there is no need to be suspicious and therefore a sensor or dojutsu user wouldn't check their chakra pathway to see the disturbance. Even if you are a sensor or dojutsu user you need probable cause if you are going to check your own chakra since ordinarily you activate your sensory abilities to keep track of your surroundings which is one thing you should keep in mind when casting genjutsu. Make your opponent focus on what's around them and not going on inside them.

Though I'm curious, I want to know why you would assume somebody would casually inflict pain upon themselves to release a genjutsu?"
 

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are right understood sensei, and someone would inflict pain to release a genjustu to bring there senses back I think..., as the purpose of most genjustu for the exception of few is to disrupt the senses of the enemy whether it be sight, smell, hearing, I don't know if touch counts or if taste counts. but these are the purpose of a genjustu to disrupt these senses so you have a better though stronger genjustu can cause serious mental pain causing the victim serious harm like itachi did with sasuke. So somebody inflicts pain to bring that sense back and disrupt the genjustu cast on them.
 

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"Thanks for re-stating the obvious but that wasn't my question. You seemed so casual in saying people will just inflict serious pain upon themselves to rid themselves of their genjutsu. For one thing the level of genjutsu you're under doesn't always call for 'serious' pain and second of all if your opponent sees you so easily willing to maim yourself they could intentionally cast several illusions and just have you kill yourself eventually or make you to injured to fight and use the most minimal of effort.

Understand unless you have a means of healing or regenerative ability inflicting hindering pain upon yourself should be a last resort effort of releasing genjutsu. The more you harm yourself the easier it is for your opponent to take advantage of you later. It's a common strategy of gen users."
 

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oh right as you can see my knowledge in genjustu is very limited but im eager to learn everything canon which can be taught as genjustu is very powerful to use and is used by a wide Varity of people who is very skilled with it and thanks I now know that inflicting pain to break out a genjustu is a last option. Something I missed last time though is you can use kai to release yourself out the genjustu also. Which would most likely be the best way
 

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*enters*

We'll be doing a more discussion based training session this time.

Here is a specific list of pain applications, dependent on illusion rank:

D Rank Genjutsu: Chipping a Finger (like one does as he bites to draw blood for a Summoning Jutsu)
C Rank Genjutsu: Low level Physical Attacks, Bitting a chunk of your Cheek
B Rank Genjutsu: Low ranked Taijutsu/Freestyle
A Rank Genjutsu: High ranked Taijutsu, Stabbing Yourself in minor muscle, Cutting yourself, Breaking Smaller bones, Low level Burning/Voltage, Painful Cold
S Rank Genjutsu: EIG/Sage level Taijutsu, Breaking Bones, Deep Stabs or cuts, Medium Voltage/Burning, Extreme Painful Cold, Bitting your tongue off

Here is the Genjutsu Kai:

( Genjutsu: Kai ) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15-40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except MS Eye Techniques, Paralysis-like Genjutsu and Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank. A Sage rank user can dispel Genjutsu up to S-Rank. The user may use this technique through physical contact on others to dispel them from Genjutsu. The technique can only be used once per turn and the user still needs to fully follow the logic as to why he figured out it was an illusion.

Can you explain to me how the Genjutsu Kai works?
 

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from what I can understand kai is to disturb your charka flow once you know you are in a genjustu so you can get out of the genjustu without harming yourself though it is limited and different to different ranked ninja so the higher ranked the ninja the higher rank genjustu they can dispel expect for certain justu and MS justu. overall this justu is good in my opinion as it can fix you in tight jam if you need to break a genjustu.
 

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Good explanation!

Happy new year ^^

Alright, time to move onto the jutsus. Here, I just want you to try using them in a creative way as if you were fighting someone. Then, just give me your opinion on the technique and ask questions if you've got any. Ok? :)

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

This first jutsu is actually one of my favorite genjutsus and surprisingly OP if you use it right. You change how your opponent's surroundings look. For example, if we're both on a grassland, you can change it to look like a desert. But that's not all! You can change features and add things! One good use is to use this gen to make it seem like you've formed a clone to attack alongside you, tricking your opponent to counter what may not be there ;)
 

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happy new year mate

also thanks for the tip! :)

Shikamaru as he ran towards souji sensei clone makes the shadow clone handseal and cast a genjustu upon him making him see 3 Shikamaru attacking him but all was weaving the shadow clone handseal making it look like their is 3 Shikamaru is attacking, Shikamaru makes the clones look like they are attacking with kunai and they all throw kunai at your clone but only the real Shikamaru kunai hits your clone and makes him disperse (didn't know how you meant use it in a creative way in a battle without a clone, hope this is alright >_>)

my opinion on this justu is that this justu despite its low rank it can be very useful due to its subtly of it actually being cast and hard to detect you are in one and as you said if used right can be very op.

one question can you make as if a fake clone that's not their is controlling the shadows of an object towards the opponent?
 

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No, that was actually a brilliant usage of the jutsu! You fooled your enemy into thinking you did the Shadow Clone technique by forming the handseal (when it wasn't needed to cast the gen), and unless your opponent is a sensor or a dojutsu user, they'd have a much harder time trying to figure out it was an illusion.

This is the key to using genjutsu in fights. You want to place your opponent in a situation where it becomes nearly impossible for them to break free of the illusion without metagaming, allowing your follow through attacks to continue onward.

And as for your question, I don't think so. Try not to do advanced manipulations of the surroundings; they may not be within the scope of the technique. Remember, it only changes appearances of the area, adding or removing features, etc.

Next!
( Genjutsu: Kahen Tonsou ) - Illusion Technique: Flower Petal Escape
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, appearing to dissolve into a shower of cherry blossom petals. These petals surround the opponent, blocking his vision. This allows the user to mask his movement effectively.

For this technique, I want you to tell me how you could discern this technique is an illusion if an opponent used it on you. Knowing what you know about genjutsu and what it does to you, how would you figure it out?
 

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Shikamaru listens to his friend and sensei and makes 5 handseals, he then casts a genjustu upon Souji,where Shikamaru appears to dissolve into a shower of cherry blossom petals. These petals surrounds Souji, blocking his vision. Shikamaru quickly uses this to mask his movements and hides from his mentor.

Its pretty obvious that this is a genjustu as the opponent turns to cherry blossom and appears to disappear, so you can think where have this cherry blossom suddenly come from? and where is my opponent

I don't like this justu very much as it is so easy to dispel, but it is useful to get out of your opponent sight
 

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This is especially true when you know your terrain. If you're in a desert, the logic that cherry blossoms suddenly appear would be like, "what"? xD

However, this is a good way to dodge a jutsu since it messes up your opponent's vision and blocks it as well. However, note that dojutsu users will see right through it u_u

( Genjutsu: Kasumi ) - Illusion Technique: Servant
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: 20
Description: The user does one handseal and throws a paper bomb at the enemy. The enemy, trapped in a genjutsu will see a clone of the user advancing upon him. As the paper bomb reaches the enemy, it explodes

Next! This one's easy too. You weave a handseal then throw a paper bomb. The enemy will see a clone instead of the paper bomb. So, the key to this illusion is making sure your opponent tries to counter the clone (which actually isn't a clone), and they'd get hurt by the exploding paper bomb instead.
 

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Shikamaru listens to his teacher and weaves one handseal and then throws a paper bomb at souji clone then casting him into a genjustu, making the paper bomb look like a clone running towards him as the paper bomb actually lands on his head and then Shikamaru does one handseal to explode the paper bomb dispersing the clone.

a little harder then the petals out of nowhere but you can just use a justu to attack the clone and then blow the paper bomb away so nothing would happen to you.
 

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Nice new name man, suits you much better ^^

This one's interesting. You create a set of illusory clones that erupt from the ground and terrain. When your target attacks them, they split and multiply. The clones have no real physical presence, so in reality, your opponents are simply smacking the air. You can control the illusion and make the clones move in certain ways, making them appear real!

Questions?

( Kasumi Jūsha no Jutsu ) - Mist Servant Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This illusion creates numerous illusionary clones of the user that appear to emerge from the ground, trees, rocks, etc. If these clones are attacked, they appear to multiply. The user can co-ordinate his attacks with the clones to make it appear as if they are real.
 
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