Language of Zen

[~Yubel~]

Correction, a finite constantly expanding universe. Infinity is an absolute and also unrealistic. There can't infinity in a finite universe, or finite time. Eternity and infinity are terms used by inside observers, it may not be the same for an outside observer.

I have an open mind, so I am able to understand that life may emerge from anywhere at any given point. There is a theory on how life came to earth, which also combines with the primeval soup, in which life was fabricated by crystals, as they have an important role in the fabrication of RNA. But RNA may not be necessary for other life forms, though as far as we know it is only assumptions and theories.

The idea that there would be an outside observer of the universe is more unrealistic and could never be proven either way, as far as we know galaxies are growing apart and getting further but would that apply to the universe itself? There are still alot of things we do not know and i dont completely believe in the big bang theory.
Also, time isn´t finite, it is indeed infinite, because time has no end and it doesnt have a beginning. Maybe time flows differently then what we think.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Time dont have no hidden meaning like you making it out to be
Time works for nobody. just TIME

Also. I agree with Gin. Life can appear from ANYWHERE.

who is to say WATER is the only thing that centers around life?

Yubel your theory is as augmentative as me and Gins.

its rather obvious that they could be stupid. but there is a good chance they could be super intelligent

 

[Gin-San]

The idea that there would be an outside observer of the universe is more unrealistic and could never be proven either way, as far as we know galaxies are growing apart and getting further but would that apply to the universe itself? There are still alot of things we do not know and i dont completely believe in the big bang theory.
Also, time isn´t finite, it is indeed infinite, because time has no end and it doesnt have a beginning. Maybe time from differently then what we think.

That is exactly my point with the outside observer, it cannot be proven, as we cannot verify if there is indeed an outside observer, outside of the universal realm we exist on. Expansion and infinity are two completely different terms. The universe may be constantly expanding, but it doesn't make it infinite. If it was infinite, and is expanding, does that mean infinity increases? There is more to it that you think. Galaxies grow far away from each other every day, the same way you bake a piece of bread with raisins. The universe expands, creating a greater distance between each other.

And what is time? Time is the factor of entropy, which defines that things go from orderly to disorderly, or in other words, young from old. Time is just a perception of entropy, which we perceive as getting old, things decaying, things dying. If the universe restarts by a new big bang, wouldn't time restart? After all, all things would come to an orderly factor again, restarting the "clock" of the universe.

 

[~Yubel~]

Time dont have no hidden meaning like you making it out to be
Time works for nobody. just TIME

Also. I agree with Gin. Life can appear from ANYWHERE.

who is to say WATER is the only thing that centers around life?

Yubel your theory is as augmentative as me and Gins.

its rather obvious that they could be stupid. but there is a good chance they could be super intelligent

Exactly, who´s to say our basic elements and formulas needed for life aren´t wrong and that aliens breathe something else entirely and no i´m not giving time a hidden meaning.
The way i meant is time might not flow in a straight line like most think, no future is set in stone and i´m questioning things to provoke more thought.

 

[Breed]

Well, in my opinion nothing is absolute: everything is relative. The system of this world runs by the thoughts of the elite class. While the moral laws are decided by one's thought. The country laws are determined by the leaders and other institution's thought. It's all a matter of opinion/thought. Even one's order/rule is one's thought, so that makes people selfish since they decide and determine the way of life by their thought. It's the way the system works, gotta live with it.

Also I do believe that happiness is a feeling that it's felt spontaneously, though people get fooled by it a lot, they try to feel it in each moment, they try to be one with it. Grow up! Trying to be positive all the time is to ignore all that is important, sacred or valuable

 

[~Yubel~]

Well, in my opinion nothing is absolute: everything is relative. The system of this world runs by the thoughts of the elite class. While the moral laws are decided by one's thought. The country laws are determined by the leaders and other institution's thought. It's all a matter of opinion/thought. Even one's order/rule is one's thought, so that makes people selfish since they decide and determine the way of life by their thought. It's the way the system works, gotta live with it.

Also I do believe that happiness is a feeling that it's felt spontaneously, though people get fooled by it a lot, they try to feel it in each moment, they try to be one with it. Grow up! Trying to be positive all the time is to ignore all that is important, sacred or valuable

A universal goal everyone is striving for is peace and happiness one way or another, there is nothing more important, sacred or more valuable then that.

 

[Avani]

That way of thinking seems not to take the pack-mentality of mankind into consideration.
Whereas some children might pick the scorpion up, despite being told not to, you'll notice how many humans, adults and children alike, fear something or have opinions about something based purely on what they've been told.
Indeed, some humans only learn through the trial and error method, but a majority will have alarms going off in their head and remember someone telling them not to pick up scorpions. It's an empathetic fear and/or cautiousness.

I disagree about pack mentality part. You are right about remembering someone telling them not to pick up scorpions bit.

-That alarm goes off because of our earlier childhood perceptions telling us that grown ups around us have all the needed knowledge and experience and we can/should follow them. As a kid our first experiences tell us that that our parents are (always/most of the time) 'right'; that they know what they are saying or doing. We may try trial and error method but our parents already told us that the fire was hot and it would hurt us; that if we are sick we would get better by taking a particular med and so on.

Thus it teaches us that we can use experience of other people instead of finding out everything for ourself. It is not a bad thing in itself- we get to enjoy benefits of inventions and discoveries of other people. But sometimes it backfires leading to mob behaviour or pack mentality as well- following other people's lead as it seems justified to act as the rest of the people are doing or believe that what is good for one of the pack is good for the rest of it.

As we grow up we learn many other things and realise that our parents or grown ups around may not have all the answers and other people's knowledge and experience ( in schools/in society/our own experiences) is added to what we learn't before.

People who have more knowledge ( by their own experience or the example of others) about the result of an action would have more options and better able to chose( or at least know more about the chocies they have) whether they should follow the rest of the pack or not.

It is always a long chain about how we see things but better knowledge confirmed by experience = better perceptiveness.

 

[Breed]

A universal goal everyone is striving for is peace and happiness one way or another, there is nothing more important, sacred or more valuable then that.

How do you know that the universal goal everyone is striving is peace? I fully disagree. There's nothing wrong with feeling negative sometimes, people want to ignore it, escape from it, well feeling positive it's not sacred, important or valuable, it is when you feel good and then you get fooled by it.

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

When I make tough decisions, I try to analyze the positives and the negatives that will befall me after the decision, I choose whatever seems better for me. Another thing I do is, if I have money, I flip a coin and whatever I hope for while it's airborne would be my choice.

 

[~Yubel~]

How do you know that the universal goal everyone is striving is peace? I fully disagree. There's nothing wrong with feeling negative sometimes, people want to ignore it, escape from it, well feeling positive it's not sacred, important or valuable, it is when you feel good and then you get fooled by it.

I'm sorry friend but you have a twisted view of things. It's ok to feel negative, it's ok to feel all sorts of emotions, i'm just saying that the end goal is happiness.
You study in school, you eventually want to have a good job, a big mansion, whatever dream you have or everything you're doing for yourself. You do for your own happiness no matter what you're doing or how you go about.

 

[Breed]

I'm sorry friend but you have a twisted view of things. It's ok to feel negative, it's ok to feel all sorts of emotions, i'm just saying that the end goal is happiness.
You study in school, you eventually want to have a good job, a big mansion, whatever dream you have or everything you're doing for yourself. You do for your own happiness no matter what you're doing or how you go about.

See this it's typical of people like you. Make plans for the future and live a happy life.. hah! It's not the goal that makes us happy, it's the road to the goal that makes us happy. Sometimes it's vice-versa. And when you die, think, was it all worth, this positive feeling? It's not bad to feel positive, but when you get fooled by it, then you try to make everything around you that way.

I've experienced that feeling man, so I know what I'm talking about.

I'm leaving you this quote:

To be positive at all times is to ignore all that is important, sacred or valuable. To be negative at all times is to be threatened by ridiculousness and instant discredibility.

- Kurt Cobain

 

[~Yubel~]

See this it's typical of people like you. Make plans for the future and live a happy life.. hah! It's not the goal that makes us happy, it's the road to the goal that makes us happy. Sometimes it's vice-versa. And when you die, think, was it all worth, this positive feeling? It's not bad to feel positive, but when you get fooled by it, then you try to make everything around you that way.

If i have lived happy and positive life and end up dying then i will truly have no regrets, you who seem to go on about being fooled by positive feelings, what is there to fool you? Why don´t you explain what you´re talking about?

 

[Breed]

If i have lived happy and positive life and end up dying then i will truly have no regrets, you who seem to go on about being fooled by positive feelings, what is there to fool you? Why don´t you explain what you´re talking about?

We arrived at the destination, good - because trying to feel positive all the times will make you think that everything is doing fine and to ignore everything outside the "positive sphere" . You know why people do that? Because they think that this is a way of living, to be happy. Well let me tell you something, the way of living your life it's not determined, just be yourself, it's all that you can do.

 

[~Yubel~]

We arrived at the destination, good - because trying to feel positive all the times will make you think that everything is doing fine and to ignore everything outside the "positive sphere" . You know why people do that? Because they think that this is a way of living, to be happy. Well let me tell you something, the way of living your life it's not determined, just be yourself, it's all that you can do.

So let me guess, whenever something good in your life happens and you get happy you prevent yourself as to not forget other depressed people?
Also what you´re talking about is faking happiness, i´m talking about true happiness and it does exist.

 

[Breed]

So let me guess, whenever something good in your life happens and you get happy you prevent yourself as to not forget other depressed people?
Also what you´re talking about is faking happiness, i´m talking about true happiness and it does exist.

What do you call true happiness? I'm happy when good stuffs happen to me, though I never forget about the pain I've carried on for a long time, to whom (pain) the majority of the people are afraid of. Pain does make you stronger, you've got to live with it, it's not a positive emotion, yet it's an misunderstood feeling because of its cliche and powerful. Be happy as much as you CAN but not as much as you WANT.

 

[~Yubel~]

What do you call true happiness? I'm happy when good stuffs happen to me, though I never forget about the pain I've carried on for a long time, to whom (pain) the majority of the people are afraid of. Pain does make you stronger, you've got to live with it, it's not a positive emotion, yet it's an misunderstood feeling because of its cliche and powerful. Be happy as much as you CAN but not as much as you WANT.

"Pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice.."

If you want to discard happiness and make yourself suffer to get "stronger" then be my guest.
Life is too short to suffer. Why would you choose to suffer through life when you have a better option?

 

[Breed]

"Pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice.."

If you want to discard happiness and make yourself suffer to get "stronger" then be my guest.
Life is too short to suffer. Why would you choose to suffer through life when you have a better option?

You don't understand man!

 

[~Yubel~]

You don't understand man!

You´re right!!!

 

[Zenryoku]

"Pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice.."

If you want to discard happiness and make yourself suffer to get "stronger" then be my guest.
Life is too short to suffer. Why would you choose to suffer through life when you have a better option?

suffering makes the dream all that much greater for him, we are each to our own and pain isnt inevitable it can be a choice aswell, pain is within the mind U_U​