[VS] Kuzan Aokiji vs Shillew of the rain

[-Akuma-]

@bold Come again? If he could defeat him so easily then he'd take his place as the leader of the BB pirates smh.

You can't really say that, we don't know Kuzan's motives. You acting like he really wants to be apart of the crew.

 

[Apêx1]

You can't really say that, we don't know Kuzan's motives. You acting like he really wants to be apart of the crew.

It wasn't the main point; just a side point. Regardless, if BB accepted him it means he's not afraid of him. Anyways, there's not a chance in hell he will ever get mid-diff'd based on his pre-TS hype, which is far beneath his Post-TS potential. He is either on par, or superior to Kuzan (and Kuzan is fleet admiral level).

 

[-Akuma-]

It wasn't the main point; just a side point. Regardless, if BB accepted him it means he's not afraid of him. Anyways, there's not a chance in hell he will ever get mid-diff'd based on his pre-TS hype, which is far beneath his Post-TS potential. He is either on par, or superior to Kuzan (and Kuzan is fleet admiral level).

BB wasn't afraid of fighting Garp and Sengoku two on one doesn't mean he would have won. Plus if Kuzan was ever to turn on BB if wouldn't just be BB vs Kuzan, it would be the rest of the BB pirates vs Kuzan. I agree that nobody is getting mid-diffed in this fight, that would probably put Kuzan or BB a tier above the loser....Well let's be honest nobody believes that.

 

[Apêx1]

BB wasn't afraid of fighting Garp and Sengoku two on one doesn't mean he would have won. Plus if Kuzan was ever to turn on BB if wouldn't just be BB vs Kuzan, it would be the rest of the BB pirates vs Kuzan. I agree that nobody is getting mid-diffed in this fight, that would probably put Kuzan or BB a tier above the loser....Well let's be honest nobody believes that.

His crew was present at marineford too though, so it goes both ways. And I agree with you, at the very least it will be high to extreme diff since Kuzan=fleet admiral. If BB>>>Ace who's around Jozu level, then Yami Teach was around admiral level. This is not even mentioning how insane his durability is. And this is pre-TS. Now factor in how powerful of a fruit the Gura Gura is, and factor in 2 years of experience with it and he should easily jump a huge amount power-wise. He's practically a user with the;
1. Highest potential for destructive ability with Gura Gura and island level Yami Yami no Mi.
2. Around the highest durability.
3. Negates all DF powers, so anyone reliant on DF becomes useless.

His combination is overpowered. I genuinely don't see how it is possible for anyone to ever beat him if he reaches full potential without ass-pull power-ups. The only way to fight his Yami effectively is to stay at a range. But good luck fighting at range with his Gura Gura. And even in the situation you come close, he tanks the hit and takes away your DF. Talk about OP.

 

[U mAd]

seriously he isn't even on kuzan level.

 

[jiraiya lives]

@bold Come again? If he could defeat him so easily then he'd take his place as the leader of the BB pirates smh.

Why would he blow his cover so recklessly after taking the effort to gain BB's trust? Also it's not like the rest of the crew will just stand there and watch BB fight someone 1v1 if he's losing.

 

[Apêx1]

Why would he blow his cover so recklessly after taking the effort to gain BB's trust?

Are you trying to suggest Kuzan is only in BB's crew to betray him?

 

[jiraiya lives]

Are you trying to suggest Kuzan is only in BB's crew to betray him?

The pirate life doesn't really suit Kuzan, whether he will betray him or not isn't clear we just don't have enough info on his motives yet. I feel he's infiltrated the BB pirates in order to learn more about BB's ability to have more than one DF. What he do with this knowledge after learning it is up to speculation.

 

[OG sama]

Couldn't Blackbeard just touch Aokiji and his ice leg disappears?

Kuzan doesn't have the advantage to just betray Blackbeard.

 

[Apêx1]

The pirate life doesn't really suit Kuzan, whether he will betray him or not isn't clear we just don't have enough info on his motives yet. I feel he's infiltrated the BB pirates in order to learn more about BB's ability to have more than one DF. What he do with this knowledge after learning it is up to speculation.

Pretty sure his Yami Yami no Mi was the reason he could steal WB's DF. Gaining intel on it wouldn't help him since he doesn't have it, and won't have any way of obtaining it. But again, if he could mid diff the leader of the entire BB crew then he should pretty much be one shotting the entire crew. But that's clearly not the case, and he has people like Shillew who are=Magellan, who's slightly below admiral level. BB is presumably far more powerful being his leader, as we have seen the difference between Leader and Crew many times throughout the manga.

 

[TRE MERCER]

L0l @ Kuzan being stronger than current BB. He could simply pull him close via Yami Yami no Mei and ruin his body with a Haki covered tremor punch.

Kuzan simply because Shillew hasn't shown enough feats.​

 

[Main I]

Since Shiryuu is a Yonko first mate, he should be in the same tier as Old Rayleigh, Sabo, Marco, Beckmann, Kaido's first mate, and Big Moms first mate. So I think he should be able to push Kuzan to mid diff or mid-high diff.

And where did that line of thinking get you with Burgess?

Simply because he's a Yonko's first mate (has that even been confirmed) doesn't automatically make him as strong as other Yonko's first mates.

OT: Kuzan smacks by both feats and hype. To those saying Shilliew is on his level then I'd like you to think about Akainu vs Shilliew and remember the maximum extreme diff it took Akainu to defeat Kuzan.

 

[Love Cook]

Couldn't Blackbeard just touch Aokiji and his ice leg disappears?

Kuzan doesn't have the advantage to just betray Blackbeard.

Why would the leg disappear ? That is a product of his DF not the DF at work.

The ice is still real and BB has to keep touching him long enough for his leg to start melting.

 

[-Akuma-]

His crew was present at marineford too though, so it goes both ways. And I agree with you, at the very least it will be high to extreme diff since Kuzan=fleet admiral. If BB>>>Ace who's around Jozu level, then Yami Teach was around admiral level. This is not even mentioning how insane his durability is. And this is pre-TS. Now factor in how powerful of a fruit the Gura Gura is, and factor in 2 years of experience with it and he should easily jump a huge amount power-wise. He's practically a user with the;
1. Highest potential for destructive ability with Gura Gura and island level Yami Yami no Mi.
2. Around the highest durability.
3. Negates all DF powers, so anyone reliant on DF becomes useless.

His combination is overpowered. I genuinely don't see how it is possible for anyone to ever beat him if he reaches full potential without ass-pull power-ups. The only way to fight his Yami effectively is to stay at a range. But good luck fighting at range with his Gura Gura. And even in the situation you come close, he tanks the hit and takes away your DF. Talk about OP.

His crew were complete non factors against Garp and Sengoku. But yes it would be atleast high-dif for whoever wins. But Yami Teach wasn't that much stronger than Ace though, nor was he Admiral level. But Teach ha a lot of potential is downfall is that he probably won't master both DFs completely by the time he is defeated

L0l @ Kuzan being stronger than current BB. He could simply pull him close via Yami Yami no Mei and ruin his body with a Haki covered tremor punch.

Kuzan simply because Shillew hasn't shown enough feats.​

If you think beating Kuzan is that easy you're stupid. BB could of done that to Akainu pre TS using that reasoning.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

And where did that line of thinking get you with Burgess?

Simply because he's a Yonko's first mate (has that even been confirmed) doesn't automatically make him as strong as other Yonko's first mates.

OT: Kuzan smacks by both feats and hype. To those saying Shilliew is on his level then I'd like you to think about Akainu vs Shilliew and remember the maximum extreme diff it took Akainu to defeat Kuzan.

What do you mean about Burgess?

 

[bajram]

Aokiji would neg diff pre-ts Shiryuu, and he can probably mid diff current Shiryuu.

 

[ultraChalk]

Kuzan, high diff.

We had this exact same thread a couple weeks ago.

 

[OG sama]

Why would the leg disappear ? That is a product of his DF not the DF at work.

The ice is still real and BB has to keep touching him long enough for his leg to start melting.

Oh I wasn't sure myself, as I was reading a thread from a different forum and they said BB could take away his leg.

I should have known it wouldn't be that easy.

 

[Hexuze]

Kuzan for sure. I would guess somewhere around mid diff.