Kurama's true power

[SenseiSama]

Nope, the juubi is 100% Senjutsu which is why Naruto needed sage mode to even detect the Juubi

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To state that 8 bijuu = juubi is ridiculous





Nope it does not work on aggregation. No Manga in the history of shonen has worked on aggregation.

Also how can you say KidGamer was wrong yet agree with his aggregation claim?

Fusions always >>>>> the fusers. This is fact based on every shonen.

And this is what I was saying, Obito in the early war arc was one step away from attaining JJ Hagoromo's power, yet he still couldn't beat a 15 year old with no experience using KCM.


Naruto had his chakra fused with Kurama which is essentially the same as combining a portion of the Juubi's power with another portion of the Juubi's power. Ashura's Yang combined with Kurama's Yang would produce a chakra quality that only incarnates with Six Path power can surpass.

 

[Mellanoma]

And this is what I was saying, Obito in the early war arc was one step away from attaining JJ Hagoromo's power, yet he still couldn't beat a 15 year old with no experience using KCM.


Naruto had his chakra fused with Kurama which is essentially the same as combining a portion of the Juubi's power with another portion of the Juubi's power. Ashura's Yang combined with Kurama's Yang would produce a chakra quality that only incarnates with Six Path power can surpass.

The manga constantly states and shows us a Jin(Shinobi/bijuu combined) is far more powerful than a bijuu AND shinobi working together. It's that fusion clause that all shonen follow especially the popular ones.

I dont think KCM Naruto was that strong just obito struggled due to:

Maintaining control of Rinnengan
Maintaining control of Tailed beast
Timing his Kamui
Controlling Gedo

It was Obito's inability to control that lead to his down fall.

Not taking away from KCM Naruto's power but it's a fact Obito lost that himself

BM Naruto is another story though as when they finally 100% fused the scaling increased insanely

 

[SenseiSama]

The manga constantly states and shows us a Jin(Shinobi/bijuu combined) is far more powerful than a bijuu AND shinobi working together. It's that fusion clause that all shonen follow especially the popular ones.

I dont think KCM Naruto was that strong just obito struggled due to:

Maintaining control of Rinnengan
Maintaining control of Tailed beast
Timing his Kamui
Controlling Gedo

It was Obito's inability to control that lead to his down fall.

Not taking away from KCM Naruto's power but it's a fact Obito lost that himself

BM Naruto is another story though as when they finally 100% fused the scaling increased insanely

I agree but at the same time it's not totally true, an Uchiha with a bijuu equally matches someone fused with the bijuu, VoTE 2 is the best example of that.

It goes back to what I said, Naruto with BSM was essentially a JuubiJin but without the Six Path chakra, he managed to combine bijuu chakra with NE which is what Juubi chakra consists of. However, Sasuke was still able to rival him because he was also an incarnate and therefore also had a portion of the Juubi's power, but in the form of a Sharingan instead of Senjutsu. (Indra's eye power comes from Kaguya)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Nope, the juubi is 100% Senjutsu which is why Naruto needed sage mode to even detect the Juubi

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The juubi has immeasurable natural energy not senjutsu, in order for you to have senjutsu in the first place you need the very bases of chakra in which has been measured before.

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To state that 8 bijuu = juubi is ridiculous

Don't need to be coy, you are well aware that fragments were use but they were no where significant enough.
And as far as I'm concerned the jubi was fighting the hachibi and kyubi in its incomplete form in which he dominated kurama in which you believe has more chakra than all 8 biju chakra combined despite the fact that the jubi was only in possession of 7.

It's pure asinine to think that kurama has more chakra than all 8 beast combined when that alone makes up for more than half of the jubi's chakra.

Nope it does not work on aggregation. No Manga in the history of shonen has worked on aggregation.

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Also how can you say KidGamer was wrong yet agree with his aggregation theory?

Kidgamer thinks that the bijus are an aggregation, which is false. The manga said that the jubi is the only aggregation of all 9 bijus. It is not that hard. 8 is greater than 1 and even 7 is greater than 2. So when the Jubi was harvesting 7 full biju and .005 of the other two will always be greater the the part that she(ten tails) is missing.

Fusions always >>>>> the fusers. This is law in shonen.

No it's not. You can't use crossover logic like that just because it makes sense to you.

 

[HENI]

Kurama has RSM

 

[Edogawa]

Naruto and Killer Bee bested 5 Tailed Beasts, not Kurama or Gyuki. Plus the fact the 5 Tailed Beasts were under Obito's control, who couldn't make proper use of their powers. As later stated in the manga, Jinchuriki is far more powerful than the Tailed Beast itself. Kurama by itself got owned by SM Naruto, so clearly it's not stronger than 8 Tailed Beasts.

All 9 Tailed Beasts are equal as far as Chakra levels. Jubi was split into 9 fragments; How in the world would Kurama have more power? It's like saying the 9th guy has bigger pizza than everybody else, even though the pizza was cut to 9 pieces, so everybody gets an equal share.

The premise that Kurama is stronger than his Tailed Beasts brethren stems from that Kurama had more panel appearance, thus it's got more feats, but the problem with that argument is it doesn't invalidate that 8 Tailed Beasts would have been able to do what Kurama did, if the author gave them more panel appearance.

 

[Mellanoma]

Will be the last time I respond since you are Notorious for arguing regardless of right or wrong. Anyways

The juubi has immeasurable natural energy not senjutsu, in order for you to have senjutsu in the first place you need the very bases of chakra in which has been measured before.

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Don't need to be coy, you are well aware that fragments were use but they were no where significant enough.
And as far as I'm concerned the jubi was fighting the hachibi and kyubi in its incomplete form in which he dominated kurama in which you believe has more chakra than all 8 biju chakra combined despite the fact that the jubi was only in possession of 7.

It's pure asinine to think that kurama has more chakra than all 8 beast combined when that alone makes up for more than half of the jubi's chakra.

Feats and manga prove both these statements wrong:

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Juubi is Natural Energy, Tailed beast are not. This alone disproves your claim
There is no 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9 = 45(juubi)

Based on Obito's statement from the manga (Scan provided) all he needs is a piece to create the beast. It's not 100% but its still well beyond anything all 9 beast are capable of.

No it's not. You can't use crossover logic like that just because it makes sense to you.

If "Crossover Logic" doesn't apply in reference to fusions then why is the show dependent on fusions to create newer powers like ALL other shonen.

Then why is Naruto And Kurama seperate weaker than Naruto and Kurama merged?
Why is Kisame and Samedah stronger merged than them being seperated?
Why is Senju and Uchiha seperate weaker than merged creating a new power?
Why is Naruto and Sasuke working in sync and combining their abilities weaker than them being seperate?
The entire KKT,KKG system is based on merging two different chakra to CREATE a new powerful one.
Water and Earth Makes mokuton
Fire,Wind, Earth makes Jinton
Explain EMS

These are all examples of fusions being used to create a new power.

Juubi works exactly the same way.

Naruto and Killer Bee bested 5 Tailed Beasts, not Kurama or Gyuki. Plus the fact the 5 Tailed Beasts were under Obito's control, who couldn't make proper use of their powers. As later stated in the manga, Jinchuriki is far more powerful than the Tailed Beast itself. Kurama by itself got owned by SM Naruto, so clearly it's not stronger than 8 Tailed Beasts.

All 9 Tailed Beasts are equal as far as Chakra levels. Jubi was split into 9 fragments; How in the world would Kurama have more power? It's like saying the 9th guy has bigger pizza than everybody else, even though the pizza was cut to 9 pieces, so everybody gets an equal share.

The premise that Kurama is stronger than his Tailed Beasts brethren stems from that Kurama had more panel appearance, thus it's got more feats, but the problem with that argument is it doesn't invalidate that 8 Tailed Beasts would have been able to do what Kurama did, if the author gave them more panel appearance.

Why you trying to rustle naruto fans

Kurama got beat by SM naruto / Perfect Jin Killer Bee / and Kushina
As for feats. Not much is required considering all the other Jin got wrecked by lower level Akatsuki. Juubi is not chakra. So this invalidates your claim AND nothing in the manga states the chakra was split equally.

Feats however, show us that it was not equal due to:

Perfect jins getting captured
Shukaku losing to gamabunta
2 Tails captured by Hidan and Kakuza.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don’t know what’s worse, the fact that you claimed that the viz translation is wrong or the fact that you use a fan translated garbage manga page to discredit what’s already a known fact (viz print).

Kurama literally said that the jyubi is an aggregation of all nine biju chakra together and you’re saying that it’s wrong because it’s natural energy? Do you realize that you need chakra first before you are able to utltize senjutsu?
It’s one biju after the other 1 biju + 1 biju + 1 biju etc equally an aggregation of 9 bijus together. I don’t know where you are getting this 45 number nonesense because each biju does not double everytime. Each is the same equantity as the last.

This is why you are well known for. Thickheadedness. You think you’re so you call everyone else around you wrong no matter how illogical you sound. You even went out of your way to call viz print wrong and your stupid little theory being more valid than the author itself. That dumb versus section mentality.

I’m not replying you anymore because after saying some crap like that means their is no help for you even if Kishi came out and said it himself. If you want to say that idiotic theories and “cross over” laws are more right than the viz many itself then just head towards the versus section.

 

[Edogawa]

Why you trying to rustle naruto fans

I stated facts; whether that rustles fans or not isn't my problem. But there is a saying that truth hurts sometimes.

Kurama got beat by SM naruto / Perfect Jin Killer Bee / and Kushina
As for feats. Not much is required considering all the other Jin got wrecked by lower level Akatsuki. Juubi is not chakra. So this invalidates your claim AND nothing in the manga states the chakra was split equally.

No, SM Naruto defeated Kurama almost entirely on his own. Kushina and Bee gave a small help, but Naruto did most of the work. If Kurama got whacked by SM Naruto, then he's not as strong as you make him out to be.

All Akatsuki members are on the same tier as SM Naruto who defeated Kurama. The embarrassing fact is, both Kushina and Mito who aren't strong can contain Kurama without difficulty. Jubi is not Chakra? :lol What is it then? Reiatsu or Devil Fruit? Manga doesn't need to state the Jubi's Chakra was split equally between the Tailed Beasts. There is something called common sense. It's in your head. Use it.

Perfect jins getting captured
Shukaku losing to gamabunta
2 Tails captured by Hidan and Kakuza

The only Perfect Jinchurikis were Yagura and Killer Bee, and neither of them were captured. Fail number one.
The concept of Tailed Beast didn't exist in P1. Fail number two.
Why should I care about that? I brought you Mito and Kushina whom are weak compared to the Akatsuki.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He was the strongest tailed beast, but not stronger than all of them put together

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

There exists someone who thinks tentails is chakra LMFAO. Tentails is Natural energy mass, m 0ron.