Kurama's Ability

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Again, #1 research it or say nothing. #2 I admit I was using the terms interchangeably, but eh, still is the same principles. #3 Yes, that is the basis of a ninja, (which you haven't provided proof, but oh well) but what of a Tailed Beast? They are kinda different than humans. So your principles can't exactly compare the same way can they? Finally, no it is not a fail. You should come up with concrete evidence if you are going to counter me, otherwise you are just talking out of your ass.
"Yin and yang is the cycle of life โ€” starting with the rise of the sun in the morning where the rays shine straight up. From here, the sun goes higher into the sky creating rays of light that point downwards creating shadows. The sun creates heat, which in turn creates energy and movement. Those items that were in the dark are now in the light.

Later in the day, the same things that were creating a shadow are now in a shadow. The light is heading towards darkness. That which was yang is now becoming yin.

Slowly but surely, light is replaced with darkness. The sun is replaced with the moon.

And so the cycle goes โ€” what was yang (light) becomes yin (darkness) and vice versa."

I will not post the site where it came from because it would be against TOS. One cannot exist without the other it is that simple. I do not really know in which other way to fit it in your head that one is not capable of existing without the other. And yes we do agree on the principle aspect of all of this. Kurama can exist without naruto. But a KKG can not exist without a host. So since Kurama is a living and breathing being. He must have Yin/Yang to exist and be a being even though he is imprisoned withing another being. Same principle can be applicable to the term free will. In order for free will to exist heaven and hell must exist if not of these was not to exist we could not choose so it would make free will pointless.
 

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"Yin and yang is the cycle of life โ€” starting with the rise of the sun in the morning where the rays shine straight up. From here, the sun goes higher into the sky creating rays of light that point downwards creating shadows. The sun creates heat, which in turn creates energy and movement. Those items that were in the dark are now in the light.

Later in the day, the same things that were creating a shadow are now in a shadow. The light is heading towards darkness. That which was yang is now becoming yin.

Slowly but surely, light is replaced with darkness. The sun is replaced with the moon.

And so the cycle goes โ€” what was yang (light) becomes yin (darkness) and vice versa."

I will not post the site where it came from because it would be against TOS. One cannot exist without the other it is that simple. I do not really know in which other way to fit it in your head that one is not capable of existing without the other. And yes we do agree on the principle aspect of all of this. Kurama can exist without naruto. But a KKG can not exist without a host. So since Kurama is a living and breathing being. He must have Yin/Yang to exist and be a being even though he is imprisoned withing another being. Same principle can be applicable to the term free will. In order for free will to exist heaven and hell must exist if not of these was not to exist we could not choose so it would make free will pointless.
You are quoting something from a non-Naruto source? While I commend you for having knowledge of that, it ,sadly, cannot apply to this manga. It is true that Kishi draws some influence from Buddhist and Shinto beliefs, but you cannot take them literally. Also, your statements go against what the MANGA clearly has stated.
 

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You are quoting something from a non-Naruto source? While I commend you for having knowledge of that, it ,sadly, cannot apply to this manga. It is true that Kishi draws some influence from Buddhist and Shinto beliefs, but you cannot take them literally. Also, your statements go against what the MANGA clearly has stated.
Opps my apologies I got lost playing Dead Island. All right. Since my last post don't count for some odd reason lets twist this up a little. Now the Jinchurikis are just part of one massive being. I'm on topic so far, right? Now for it to be a perfect being they must all be united. And this is not the case either. Since I really do not feel like searching for that specific episode or chapter I'm going to leave you with a doozie. It is as well not stated that it could not regenerate either. Or am I wrong on that one as well?
 

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Opps my apologies I got lost playing Dead Island. All right. Since my last post don't count for some odd reason lets twist this up a little. Now the Jinchurikis are just part of one massive being. I'm on topic so far, right? Now for it to be a perfect being they must all be united. And this is not the case either. Since I really do not feel like searching for that specific episode or chapter I'm going to leave you with a doozie. It is as well not stated that it could not regenerate either. Or am I wrong on that one as well?
Although, this is completely off-topic, I will answer. The tailed beasts are parts of the Juubi, yes. But as you can see, they were able to revive then Juubi with 7 tailed beasts and 2 substitutes. Now that brings two possibilities: #1 Only their chakra is needed to revive him, therefore making it possible for his current resurrection. #2 As stated in the manga, that is not his "perfect" form. As you can see he is still morphing and going through a cycle. This would mean for him to get perfect form, they would need to capture the 8 & 9 tails. Hope this answers.
 

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Although, this is completely off-topic, I will answer. The tailed beasts are parts of the Juubi, yes. But as you can see, they were able to revive then Juubi with 7 tailed beasts and 2 substitutes. Now that brings two possibilities: #1 Only their chakra is needed to revive him, therefore making it possible for his current resurrection. #2 As stated in the manga, that is not his "perfect" form. As you can see he is still morphing and going through a cycle. This would mean for him to get perfect form, they would need to capture the 8 & 9 tails. Hope this answers.
Actually the transformation is to become a perfect jubii without the 8 & 9 tails. Obito states that the jubii is almost complete. Now on top of your head can you tell me where it states that only the yang was sealed into Naruto. If you do remember.
 

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Actually the transformation is to become a perfect jubii without the 8 & 9 tails. Obito states that the jubii is almost complete. Now on top of your head can you tell me where it states that only the yang was sealed into Naruto. If you do remember.
Sure, give me a few mins. I can find that exact information.

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Also, the first possibility I mentioned earlier seems to be true. Only their chakra is needed to revive him.
 
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Sure, give me a few mins. I can find that exact information.

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Thank you. So this is from Jiraiya's perspective and what he "assumed" since hes was not there or neither it shows that he talked to Jiraiya about such a plan since Minato did this at the spare of the moment. This was never planned by Minato and it was more of a desperate move he made. Now this is Minato's words in which he never says or state that he would seal Ying and give Naruto Yang. And here is what Minato states and according to his words he only sealed half of Kurama's power. In no part does he state I will seal Yin in the eight trigram and seal the Yang into Naruto. So we are either facing a massive plot hole. Or the hole ordeal is yet to be revealed.
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Thank you. So this is from Jiraiya's perspective and what he "assumed" since hes was not there or neither it shows that he talked to Jiraiya about such a plan since Minato did this at the spare of the moment. This was never planned by Minato and it was more of a desperate move he made. Now this is Minato's words in which he never says or state that he would seal Ying and give Naruto Yang. And here is what Minato states and according to his words he only sealed half of Kurama's power. In no part does he state I will seal Yin in the eight trigram and seal the Yang into Naruto. So we are either facing a massive plot hole. Or the hole ordeal is yet to be revealed.
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You are kinda being picky aren't you? Why would Kishi reiterate everything Jiraiya said. Minato did say he will seal half of the Kyuubi's chakra in Naruto. And Jiraiya let us know that it was Yang. It is clearly evident that it IS Yang, seeing as that is what powers BM.
 

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You are kinda being picky aren't you? Why would Kishi reiterate everything Jiraiya said. Minato did say he will seal half of the Kyuubi's chakra in Naruto. And Jiraiya let us know that it was Yang. It is clearly evident that it IS Yang, seeing as that is what powers BM.
Lol, I am not being picky. In no point was Jiraiya there. Or am I wrong? This was a spare of the moment decision as I showed you. I do not recall him telling Jiraiya what specific area he sealed. He was not there. Actually Jiraiya was no where to be found as far as I remember when the attack happened. The guy was MIA. But heck it's kishi's story so yeah. Inconsistency is in his nature.
 

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Lol, I am not being picky. In no point was Jiraiya there. Or am I wrong? This was a spare of the moment decision as I showed you. I do not recall him telling Jiraiya what specific area he sealed. He was not there. Actually Jiraiya was no where to be found as far as I remember when the attack happened. The guy was MIA. But heck it's kishi's story so yeah. Inconsistency is in his nature.
Seems like a silly thing to "be wrong about."
 

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Seems like a silly thing to "be wrong about."
How am I wrong when it was an assumption from Jiraiya. Only thing he left Jiraiya was with the seal to unlock the seal. Where was Jiraiya since he's the one speaking in Minato's place. Because according to the manga this is what he left Jiraiya and he stated no other words.
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So as far as Minato stated it was half his power and not his Yang sealed.
 

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How am I wrong when it was an assumption from Jiraiya. Only thing he left Jiraiya was with the seal to unlock the seal. Where was Jiraiya since he's the one speaking in Minato's place. Because according to the manga this is what he left Jiraiya and he stated no other words.
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So as far as Minato stated it was half his power and not his Yang sealed.
What I mean by that is, it is silly for Jiraiya to be wrong about which half was sealed in Naruto. I mean, there is no obvious proof against it and there IS proof for the half (being Yang) being sealed in Naruto. Just because Kishi doesn't spell everything out? Come on. Jiraiya stated it first and Minato only had a brief amount of time.
 

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As we know, Kurama had half of his chakra stored in the shinigami (Yin) and the other half in Naruto (Yang). Now, Yin is creation from nothingness, the imagination part. It gives the form of a technique. Yang is putting life in that form. It is similar from Orochimaru's comparison of blue and yellow making green. Why am I explaining this? Well something stuck out from a few chapters ago and it came up yet again:
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Looks kinda familiar? It is the very same thing Naruto does when he gathers natural energy. Now we know that natural energy is different from how normal chakra is used, as normal chakra comes from within and natural is from the environment. Now why would Kurama be gathering natural energy? Well he is a giant form of energy/chakra. So it would make sense that he can generate energy/chakra.

So we know that he can gather/generate chakra. But what is the other part of it? Well, Kurama lacks Yin chakra, therefore, he can't technically form a jutsu or tech like TBB on his own. He needs Naruto for that. You might ask, "Why, then, did we see him use a TBB in Naruto's subconscious?" Well, I believe that is due to his/Naruto's relationship. It is symbiotic relationship. Kurama can completely form a tech due to Naruto, since he has Yin chakra. You see this when Naruto goes BM. He is using Kurama's chakra (Yang) to enhance his abilities. But when Kurama takes over, he is able to do TBB since Naruto has Yin.

Summary: Kurama can gather and provide (Yang) chakra (which fuels BM) and can, in turn, perform TBB due to Naruto's Yin charka. Since their relationship is symbiotic and they benefit from each other.

Hope you enjoyed the read. Have a good day!

PS: This would also mean that Kurama would not be able to use genjutsu (if Tailed Beasts could), as according to the 2nd Mizukage, genjutsu falls under Yin release.
Nice theory but 1 thing. Sage's older son got spiritual chakra while the younger son got physical chakra so Naruto is a yang chakra. Naruto has yin(spiritual) and yang(physical) but he's a yang chakra type. Yang is life force while Yin is imagination. Yin shapes your imagination while yang breaths life into it. Hashirama's cell were said to have strong life force that was said could allow Tobi to live forever (Tsunade said). This (Yang chakra) also could be how Kurama heal others like he did Naruto,Guy,Kakashi with his chakra. Natural chakra comes fom the environment which is living things so energy that is give off from living things.
 

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Nice theory but 1 thing. Sage's older son got spiritual chakra while the younger son got physical chakra so Naruto is a yang chakra. Naruto has yin(spiritual) and yang(physical) but he's a yang chakra type. Yang is life force while Yin is imagination. Yin shapes your imagination while yang breaths life into it. Hashirama's cell were said to have strong life force that was said could allow Tobi to live forever (Tsunade said). This (Yang chakra) also could be how Kurama heal others like he did Naruto,Guy,Kakashi with his chakra. Natural chakra comes fom the environment which is living things so energy that is give off from living things.
Yes I know.
 

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Nice theory but 1 thing. Sage's older son got spiritual chakra while the younger son got physical chakra so Naruto is a yang chakra. Naruto has yin(spiritual) and yang(physical) but he's a yang chakra type. Yang is life force while Yin is imagination. Yin shapes your imagination while yang breaths life into it. Hashirama's cell were said to have strong life force that was said could allow Tobi to live forever (Tsunade said). This (Yang chakra) also could be how Kurama heal others like he did Naruto,Guy,Kakashi with his chakra. Natural chakra comes fom the environment which is living things so energy that is give off from living things.
You basically said what I did
 

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I was researching some stuff about yin and yang... and it had mentioned a kami with three children... i guess kishi is on th esame lines... I was reading about yin and yang... It said that the yin was born in the 1st daughter, that yin passed down to the brother and the brothers yin created yang and passed down yang to the last one.... Which might be explain why only uzamaki and uchiha possess dojoutsu... Yin dominant people have dojutsus... kishi is adopting everything from the japanese shinto...
 

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You are quoting something from a non-Naruto source? While I commend you for having knowledge of that, it ,sadly, cannot apply to this manga. It is true that Kishi draws some influence from Buddhist and Shinto beliefs, but you cannot take them literally. Also, your statements go against what the MANGA clearly has stated.
So basically, when a person provides a probable suggestion of other views.... you revert to saying " don't say that, it's just a manga "? How simple minded is that?

I was actually liking the thread, until you put rikankhaos's post down with..
Third, next time come back with your guns loaded before you attempt to usurp my thread. /your post.
I don't see very sportsmanship other than a one sided mindset incapable of understanding and adapting to one's ideas. YOU, person, should have realized that there will be those that are humble enough to present some sort of difference against you in a manner not needing to be put down as how you exercised with that post.

OT: It's highly possible that that's the case. I really wouldn't deny that, since Naruto does posses both chakra types.
 
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So basically, when a person provides a probable suggestion of other views.... you revert to saying " don't say that, it's just a manga "? How simple minded is that?

I was actually liking the thread, until you put rikankhaos's post down with.. I don't see very sportsmanship other than a one sided mindset incapable of understanding and adapting to one's ideas. YOU, person, should have realized that there will be those that are humble enough to present some sort of difference against you in a manner not needing to be put down as how you exercised with that post.

OT: It's highly possible that that's the case. I really wouldn't deny that, since Naruto does posses both chakra types.
Why did I not consider what he said as a possible argument? Because it blatanly goes against the manga. What he is talking about doesn't apply to the manga unless Kishi establishes that. Also, I do understand and am able to adapt to others way of thinking. I just do not have any tolerance for people telling me my thread fails without ANY type of real counter argument, or facts to back up their statements. So, I will continue to respond to people of that sort however I want because if they are gonna tell me my threads fail, then they better have a real good counter argument.

OT: Well, everyone possess both Chakra, to a degree, but my thought is Kurama relys on Naruto seeing as half of his chakra was sealed and that half was his Yin.
 

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First off. The Yin part is sealed in Minato, who is sealed by the death reaper..

2nd, no TBB doesn't require yin + yang. We have seen other shinobi using only yin or only yang to create / use ninjutsu. 2nd mizukage is a good example..

EDIT: Also Bee seemed to be very surprised about Narutos rasengan. I doubt it has anything to with yin or yang. Bee would know.. So it has probably nothing to do with yin and yang.

Also Kurama never used a TBB, when he took over Naruto? That one against Oro was just pure chakra I think. And he swallowed it. So it's probably not the same. But inside Naruto, when he fought Kurama to gain control over the chakra, he did try to use a TBB. So that kind of bashes it, doesn't it? I mean Kurama couldn't possibly use Narutos chakra there? Though I didn't check if he really did. I just think I remember it? xd
 
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