Why does everyone think I'm a hater? :shrug:
Hater... And Naruto didnt have access to all of Kurama's chakra earlier he had to trade. So for all the chakra he got from Kurama he gave some in return however now Kurama is giving him a lot of chakra and taking nothing in return
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Kurama stopped taking Naruto's chakra LONG before Naruto opened the gate, which means he had all of his chakra for quite some time.
Kurama> every tailed beast, not at once of course but its a team effort so I think the 9 tail's TBB will work
You contradict yourself. You say Kurama>the other 8. But then you say "not at once of course". We have 5 of those 8 working together, 62.5% of the power created if all 8 worked together. I don't think Kurama should be able to use that much power after having not only Naruto, but so many Naruto Clones sucking out portions of his chakra; there can't be that much left, can there? I honesly wouldn't think there would be that much to begin with!
I hate to tell you this but have read the manga when the fox say you only had a tiny bit of my charka just wanted to throw that out there
So you're saying it's logical that a single tailed beast (aside from the Juubi) has the power to rival 5 others put together, even when X amount of its chakra is already gone? Also, links would help your argument greatly.
1. Kyuubi > all the others
2. The clones doesn't exist and he was using just little portion of kyuubi's chakra
3. READ THE MANGA!!!!! B states he had done it once during training
4. STOP HATING
1. Agreed. But put together? That's just overkill!
2. I'm confused; if the clones don't exist, who struck the 3rd Raikage so the Alliance could seal him?
3. READ WHAT I POSTED!! I'll quote it directly; " I mean, Bee says that Naruto was able to do it during training, but that would've been a Rasengan-sized TBB; not even as big as one normal TBB, and now he's able to make one as big as five!?" (see my first post, the 3rd point, final sentance). Naruto was in a human-sized cloak making TBB's out of Rasengan basics; that's much different than a full-sized TBB, and even more different than a 5X-sized TBB.
4. I'm not hating, I just think it's lazy of Kishi to simply say, "Oh yeah, he still has chakra".
And did you read when bee said that naruto completed the tbb in training..just wanted to mention that
One that he could fit in his hand; not even the size of one, none the less 5. I know the concept is the same, but getting the size right at the very least is different.
*coughs* hater *coughs*
of course he has more power, with more tails comes more power, and as ZoroOP said, he didnt have full acess to kurama,s chakra he had to trade it.
wait till we see sasuke,s new abilities, then your gonna say, thank god naruto became stronger.
I'm not a hater, I'm just stating my opinon on the matter; it's simply illogical from my point of view.
By your logic, "with more tails comes more power", we have 9 tails VS 2+3+5+6+7=23 tails. Who's more powerful now? U_U
No one ever said I was rooting for Naruto; don't make such assumptions.
First of all he didn't have all of Kurama's chakra before as Kurama said himself that before he only gave him a tiny bit of his true power and second Bee said he was able to do it in training, and that was in first stage Kyuubi Mode where most likely made a TBB the size of a Rasengan, but now that he is in Bijuu Mode he has so much more chakra and control because of Kurama, and right now Kurama is doing most of the work because Naruto is almost out of chakra... so now that Kurama is fully cooperating and doing most of the work, a TBB that size is definitely possible. So yeah and Kurama has a ton more chakra than all of the other Tailed Beasts
Tell me why he has more control. Make that statement seem logical. I'll agree to more power, but more control is just something assumed without proof, unless I overlooked a manga page.
Kurama stopped taking Naruto's chakra, so I see no reason why he should be out of chakra, seeing as he was only using Kurama's since he unlocked it. And even if Kurama's doing all the work, one tailed beast making a TBB as big as five put together is still not possible in my mind; as I said before, it's 9 VS 23 tails. :|
eh a few things wrong
1) Naruto had 4/9 of Kurama's power before
2) They were dispersed over a TON of other clones
3) the Kyuubi is VERY powerful, and should not be taken lightly even if there are 5 other tailed beasts
1) Page, please. I'm not saying I don't believe you (especially with a stat), I just seem to have forgotten that page.
2) That doesn't change the fact that Naruto and his clones abused a LOT of Kurama's chakra they had access to, meaning that (assuming your stat is correct) Naruto only has 5/9 of Kurama's chakra now; even more reason the TBB shouldn't be as big as 5 other beasts put together.
3) I agree, to a certain degree. He should not be taken lightly, nor should he be able to stop a full-out team attack on his own. I'd even accept if Bee helped him by adding a second TBB, or if Kakashi shrunk the other TBB with Kamui, but on his own, I simply don't see it being logical.
I agree with you commenters, but, even if the 9 is better than each one individually, and maybe like the first three together, but the 2,3,5,6,7 tails TBB vs naruto's TBB.
Sorry, but I think he and the rest of them will survive, but will be very hurt and tired.
I never said they wouldn't survive, I just think that Naruto's TBB would, at best, slow down or weaken the other. And finally, someone who at least understands where I'm comming from!
none will die, they will just be sent flying away and unconcious.
Agreed.
There are so much Hatred in this world...
Even I can see it.
Haters on me? Or you think I'm hating Naruto?
Yup, maybe not unconcious.
Yeah.
from reading the manga i've always had the feeling that there is a large gap in strength between the kurama(9-tail) and the other tailed beast.
kurama has always been a pure massive about of chakra kinda guy. the others always seem to have alot of chakra plus an extra ability or abilities.
I see where you're comming from, but Naruto's already used a great deal of Kurama's chakra (4/9 if the above stat is correct), so even with this observation, I don't see Kurama being able to match 5 other beasts put together.
SD its good to see you back on, its been awhile. anyway, I see where you're coming from, however the Kyuubi did create a massive TBB right before Naruto sealed him away, that was after Naruto took away all of his chakra. That thing was MASSIVE!!! Naruto also seems to pull stuff out of his ass when it counts, even if he hadn't mastered it yet i.e. rasengan against Kabuto.
I am with you though, I do hope it fails miserably for him the first time, it always does i.e. rasenshuriken against Kakuzu, sneeking up on Muu, TBB against 3rd Raikage. I think it'll make, at least some what, sense next week.
Has it?
Assuming we're talking about the same TBB,
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Yes, those are mountains for comparison. There's a bit of a difference, at least in my opinon. If we're talking about different TBB's, please link the post to yours.
Sense, something I have to wait a whole week for....
1: Kurama is the strongest beast out of the Nine his power compared to them is comparable to infinite. Also Son Goku is trying to resist Tobi so I'm betting he isn't going full force. Also it's been said that the beasts are masses of chakra and when they die they simply re-spawn after time so as far as we know he could have killed a few of them before. They could be killing each other all the time maybe that's why they don't get along all that well I dunno I'm not Kishi... xd
2: The Naruto you're speaking of never ran out of his own chakra he ran out of Kurama's chakra. If you seen as soon as the cloak dispersed he was able to multi shadow clone enough clones to make Son Goku barf him up meaning he himself has an ample amount of chakra left. Bee already explained that when you use a Tailed Beast's chakra supply you shelf your own not using it and you and your Tailed Beast play Tug' O War with each other's chakra supply meaning he never truly had full access just what he could pull away from Kurama.
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3: The TBB is basically a giant Rasengan. He's done tons upon tons upon tons of Rasengans and Great Ball Rasengans and Double Rasengans. O_O He knows how to keep the power going he just found it hard to get the ratio for the TBB once he got that in theory it should be pretty easy from there... O_O
1: As I try to make as clear as possible, I don't doubt you or your sources, but I'd like either a manga or wiki page with the "comparably infinite" observation you're refering to, if you wouldn't mind.
2: LINKS!!!
Alright, I get the shelving thing. When I said Naruto ran out of chakra, I was refering to when Naruto as knocked on his back and lost the cloak just before Son Goku ate him (
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). Weather that was chakra exhaustion or the cloak was litterally knocked off, I'm not sure.
They had tug-of-war, yes, but Kurama gave up half-way through, and somehow Naruto didn't notice, or didn't show that he noticed. However, I don't see how the existance of the chakra tug-of-war made it so Naruto couldn't use all of Kurama's chakra; could you elaborate at all?
3: Theory and Practice are two
VERY different things. For instance, I'm good with angles, fair with power, and have all the theory of billiards down to a science. Yet I suck. O_O Even if Naruto manages the theory, he and Kurama have to work together (which is a new experience, and hard even if they're both willing to do so) in order to get everything down.
