Kurama isn't the source of Naruto's power
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What are you talking about? Sasuke's intent was to kill Danzo, which he did. He didn't care about anyone else. He infiltrated the Summit with Karin to identify Danzo so she can keep track of his chakra signature. He would have waited til after the meeting and confronted Danzo on his way back to Konoha had Zetsu via Tobi's order not informed everyone that he was there. Thereby forcing him to defend himself.
TOBI wanted Sasuke to fight them to develop his Mangekyo and potentially weaken the Kage enough so he (Tobi) can take them hostage for the war. Sasuke was unaware of Tobi's scheme, and was intent on killing Danzo. Prior to Zetsu, no one knew he was there. They're the ones who got him into this mess, ruining his successful plan. Then you credit them for bailing him out as if they were his buddies just doing him a favor.
Yes, he overestimated his power not knowing how strenuous the Mangekyo was. Aside from Zetsu snitching on him, the Mangekyo's side effects are the only reason he needed to be saved. You're clearly overlooking his feats. Which place him above them.
Blindness is a health issue.
Itachi & Kakashi weren't forced to face multiple Jonin and Kage level fighters within a short period of time.
For one, like i said earlier he didn't intend to fight the Kage and yes, EMS being a known way to overcome blindness is precisely why he didn't train.
- Given his track record, had EMS never been an option, he would have trained to master his other abilities and skills (Fire, Lightning, etc). For example, even after gaining a tremendous boost with CM2, he still trained for years to develop his current skillset, and gained new things (Kenjutsu, Genjutsu, etc). After Itachi died he not only lost the CM, but Orochimaru's power. But gained MS. Without EMS as a safety net he would have trained to hone everything else. So for you to say "what would Sasuke be without Itachi's eyes" is ridiculous.
- He can't ideally learn how to use and master his MS due to it's negative effects. So he opted to do so in battle when needed.
Only the chakra cloaks.
The reason Naruto gets downplayed is because he is too reliant on the Kyuubi. Minato set the seal so the Kyuubi's chakra continuously leaked out to mix with his. Amping his reserves. Hence his advanced healing, extraordinary stamina, and large amounts of chakra. Each of which allowed him to train more, and recover quicker than everyone else. Even then he ended up having to rely on stealing all the Kyuubi's chakra to fight Sasuke.
His entire fighting style relies on his large chakra. Shadow Clones, Summonings, Rasengans, etc. If he had a skillset unrelaint on it, people would be fine with him attaining KCM.
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Another comment that belows in the trash can.
- Naruto was a driving force behind why he wanted EMS but you have bo proof that he would he never attained it without Naruto's influence.
- No proof that Itachi can permanently give out powers. Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's eye when unleashing the Amaterasu he implanted in him. It was stated in the manga and databooks what Itachi did and how it works. It's set to activate upon the specific condition of seeing Tobi.
Sasuke awakened his own Mangekyo afterward when accepting the truth about Itachi. With his Mangekyo came Amaterasu, Enton, and Susano'o. Genjutsu is a normal Sharingan ability.
- It was stated the Kyuubi's chakra mixed with Naruto's. Kakashi said Naruto has advanced healing and extraordinary stamina due to the Fox. The Toads stated the Kyuubi's chakra mixed with Naruto's and became his, and Naruto attributed the Fox to why he has alot of chakra.
- Naruto never beat Sasuke, let alone with Kyuubi amps that infused with his base.
- Naruto had chakra from the Biju aswell as one inside him gathering and giving him chakra while he was busy fighting their opponent.
Now you're acting as if Sasuke had mastery of his abilities even though the Kyuubi pointed out how his inexperienced with it worked in their favor. Ofcourse you neglect to point out that panel.
And again, no one denied that Sasuke used external powers sources. The topic is about Naruto being too relaint on the Kyuubi. Sasuke using Biju for a minutes while Naruto his entire life is incomparable.
- If Yamato can surpress the Kyuubi 100 percent, as in keep his chakra from leaving the seal, then Naruto wouldn't have entered cloaked mode several times. It's like you're claiming the facet is off even though the sink keeps overflowing after being emptied.
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Where's the substance?
Since when did Yamato have control over the 4th Hokage's seal?
Since when did Yamato have the ability to stop the internal kyubi chakra that heals Naruto, allows him to recover and raises his chakra reserves?
Since when did Yamato competely suppress it, when Naruto was using it in the hideout a few chapters later?
Since when did Yamato completely suppress it as it was still becoming a cloak during Naruto's rasengan training?
Yamato completely suppressing it means something else, and we know your head canon doesn't allow you to think clearly pr consider teh facts properly. In case your confused Yamato means he will stop Naruto using chakra cloaks to boost himself. Yamato can't completely stop the chakra inside, if he could "completely supress it" then Naruto wouldn't have gone cloak mode during training or about to go it in Orochimaru's hideout.
I know this is asking a lot, but before you come back with BS, read over it and actually use your brain to process the info.
So many excuses... And so much envy for Naruto having Kyuubi and large chakra.
Naruto has Kyuubi as part of his body almost since day 1 of his life, regardless of how it got there. It's inane to complain about him havinging access to it even if it was easy. But as it is host has to learn and work hard to be able to use it and not die or be taken over in the process. Host has to be strong enough to endure the chakra. Unless they are above that threshold, people end up dead in process of sealing itself or soon after or remain highly unstable depending on their caliber to sustain bijjus.
If Kyuubi chakra was mixing with Naruto's it was continuously harming him even as it was healing him back. Naruto was able to withstood it because of Uzumaki traits. He was son of the previous host and because of that he was born with whisker marks- sign of Kyuubi. Once the bijju is sealed in a body, it's fused in a way that extraction kills the host so it's very much part of him.
You cannot even determine how much of Kyuubi chakra was leaking and insist Naruto was reliant on it. Thus to meet your expectations Naruto should not use the chakra which he can harness from it and since he might have some indeterminable amount of that chakra mixed in his own, he cannot use even that.
In the meanwhile it's alright if Sasuke uses what he inherited from his parents- sharingan, what he got from Oro, Curse mark, keep chakra batteries karin and Jugo with him when he loses curse mark, adds Itachi's eyes, and so on. SMH.
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Yeah there was! Sasuke literally said that when he wanted Itachi's eyes, it was solely to destroy Naruto after the cancellation after the Kage Summit. Anyone who's watched the entire reuninon knows that this is accurate and here's the scan once again where Sasuke literally says that it's because of Naruto in chapter 487
Yes there is! Obito stated at least 4x that it was implanted on him when telling. Anyone who's not a Sasuke fan knows this and giving a databook on how the amaterasu works doesn't prove Sasuke. I already gave the definition of implant and once he only has the Amaterasu because Itachi and I didn't say the Susanoo other abilites weren't Sasuke. I said that Amaterasu wasn't his. Just because the trap failed doesn't make it a 1 time thing either and once again anyone who's not a Sasuke is fully aware and not even Sasuke said that it was his abiltiy. If it was really his ability he would've been fully aware on how to use it.
Kurama helped with him the healing and stamina in part 1 and after awakening Bijuu Mode not during the Rasenshuriken Training and Kakashi clearly stated that Naruto's base chakra was 4x higher than his without Kurama not the Kyubii leakage like you and Salamander Uchiha keep claiming because Yamato told him not to rely on Kurama after Naruto went 4 Tails against Orochimaru. The only 1s who refuse to acknowledge this are you, perm, Salamamda amd Sasuke fans.
Yamato literally stated that he was going to completely supress and this is also from a mangasee translation that you like to read
The Kyubii doesn't mix. It's you taking what they said out of context
This is what Fukkasaku was talking
Here's what Kurama states as well in chapter 645, so if nothing else he says that you're
The only 1s who think that Naruto never beat Sasuke are Sasuke fans like. Everyone else, including Sasuke will say that Naruto won the rooftop battle and Final Valley Part 2 where Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu.
He entered Kyubii cloak twice before mastering Bijuu Mode and they happened because Naruto's exhaustion during the Rasenshuriken Training and after Hinata's interference against Pein. You're literally calling Yamato a liar as well and stating that .
Everyone, but you Salamander Uchiha, and Sasuke fans know that when the Kyubii leaked out in was either when Naruto gave into his anger, which was like 90% of the time or when he was exhausted like with the Rasenshuriken Training and even Kurama backs up my statement as well in chapter 645.
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Sasuke also told Boruto that he lost to Naruto in Boruto the movie, which is canon by the way.
Yeah there was! Sasuke literally said that when he wanted Itachi's eyes, it was solely to destroy Naruto after the cancellation after the Kage Summit. Anyone who's watched the entire reuninon knows that this is accurate and here's the scan once again where Sasuke literally says that it's because of Naruto in chapter 487
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Yes there is! Obito stated at least 4x that it was implanted on him when telling. Anyone who's not a Sasuke fan knows this and giving a databook on how the amaterasu works doesn't prove Sasuke. I already gave the definition of implant and once he only has the Amaterasu because Itachi and I didn't say the Susanoo other abilites weren't Sasuke. I said that Amaterasu wasn't his. Just because the trap failed doesn't make it a 1 time thing either and once again anyone who's not a Sasuke is fully aware and not even Sasuke said that it was his abiltiy. If it was really his ability he would've been fully aware on how to use it.
Kurama helped with him the healing and stamina in part 1 and after awakening Bijuu Mode not during the Rasenshuriken Training and Kakashi clearly stated that Naruto's base chakra was 4x higher than his without Kurama not the Kyubii leakage like you and Salamander Uchiha keep claiming because Yamato told him not to rely on Kurama after Naruto went 4 Tails against Orochimaru. The only 1s who refuse to acknowledge this are you, perm, Salamamda amd Sasuke fans.
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Yamato literally stated that he was going to completely supress and this is also from a mangasee translation that you like to read
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The Kyubii doesn't mix. It's you taking what they said out of context
This is what Fukkasaku was talking
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Here's what Kurama states as well in chapter 645, so if nothing else he says that you're
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The only 1s who think that Naruto never beat Sasuke are Sasuke fans like. Everyone else, including Sasuke will say that Naruto won the rooftop battle and Final Valley Part 2 where Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu.
He entered Kyubii cloak twice before mastering Bijuu Mode and they happened because Naruto's exhaustion during the Rasenshuriken Training and after Hinata's interference against Pein. You're literally calling Yamato a liar as well and stating that .
Everyone, but you Salamander Uchiha, and Sasuke fans know that when the Kyubii leaked out in was either when Naruto gave into his anger, which was like 90% of the time or when he was exhausted like with the Rasenshuriken Training and even Kurama backs up my statement as well in chapter 645.
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Sasuke also told Boruto that he lost to Naruto in Boruto the movie, which is canon by the way.
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