But they do because Yamato's guess at Naruto's strength was also a shot at Sasuke's own and the two are equals. If he was wrong, even in the future, his words really have no bearing on anything at that point.
Nothing that says Naruto himself is the major source of all the power he has.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama stated in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was. Oh and before does the Kushina comparison. She didn't fight in the war days and had her extraction by Obito when the seal was weakend. Naruto did and had his extraction pulled out by Madara from the Gedo Statue.
Back on topic Naruto also has Ashura's chakra without Kurama as Hagomoro stated in chapter 670 and has the SOSP and before anyone says that he needs the Bijuu Chakra for that, read chapter 672 where he kicks aways Madara's TSO away without them.
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Yamato said that Naruto's chakra was the source of his power, which I showed in the very 1st scan and here's the scan again.
No one is stupid enough to start the argument calling them scrubs without their pets either. Without Itachi's eyes where would be Sasuke? He needed help of three people to fight Killer Bee who was not even serious enough and used them to take a vacation.
Even if that was true Sasuke knew about the side effects going back yo his battle against Itachi, but Sasuke disagrees with you
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Back on topic! Kurama isn't the Naruto's power, but a source like Avani said.
Yamato made this clear in chapter 299 and Naruto did fight to obtain Kurama's power going back to his training with Killer Bee and most of Naruto's chakra was actually being used to keep Kurama at bay as well like Avani said.
Your reasoning is asinine. Using the MS permanently takes away sight & deteriorates his power. Once it's gone it can't return unless he gains EMS. Sasuke needed to be in good condition to fight Naruto. Gaining Itachi's power was a bonus at most.
Logically he was not only going blind, he was also defeated by Kages and had to be rescued. Multiple times.
Why was he going blind so early? That early blindness for an Uchiha is a major weakness and taking eyes of another can be termed an augmentation to recover from that.
Defeated? He evaded or blocked every attack. The only one who damaged him was the Raikage at the cost of an arm in his strongest mode. Sasuke was worn down from his own power. Which is the only reason he needed to be saved (eye bleeding of Amaterasu, physical strain on a celluar level with Susano'o, and ofcourse it's chakra consumption). He wasn't defeated. No one beat him. Nor can recieving assistant be count as a loss given it was a team battle on both sides.
Naruto, in full health, directly stated that he needs the Kyuubi's power to fight Sasuke. As a result Shogun desperately tries to make it seem like Sasuke only took Itachi's eyes for a power boost against Naruto. As if his health wasn't a concern. Regardless of Naruto, he was going to gain EMS.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama stated in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was. Oh and before does the Kushina comparison. She didn't fight in the war days and had her extraction by Obito when the seal was weakend. Naruto did and had his extraction pulled out by Madara from the Gedo Statue.
Back on topic Naruto also has Ashura's chakra without Kurama as Hagomoro stated in chapter 670 and has the SOSP and before anyone says that he needs the Bijuu Chakra for that, read chapter 672 where he kicks aways Madara's TSO away without them.
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Yamato said that Naruto's chakra was the source of his power, which I showed in the very 1st scan and here's the scan again.
Naruto's entire arsenal is reliant of the boost he gained from the Kyuubi. While Sasuke's is not relaint on external powersources. So the more you downplay him the worse Naruto looks. Furthermore he lost the CM, gained his own Amaterasu, and Hashirama's cells did nothing but save him from death.
No one is stupid enough to start the argument calling them scrubs without their pets either. Without Itachi's eyes where would be Sasuke? He needed help of three people to fight Killer Bee who was not even serious enough and used them to take a vacation.
Wrong again. Sasuke knew about EMS before he gained MS. If EMS was never an option then he wouldn't have used the MS much. Initially, Sasuke wasn't serious against KB either. Plus he was still weakened from his battle againsf Itachi. Lost a power he mastered and incorporated into his fighting style for years (CM), just awakened one he had no experience with and couldn't learn to use and master through training due to it's negative effects (MS). Plus he had to hold back inorder to capture Bee alive. Otherwise Amaterasu one-shots.
Bee tried killing them multiple times. Each of which failed. He only left because he was low on stamina.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama stated in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was. Oh and before does the Kushina comparison. She didn't fight in the war days and had her extraction by Obito when the seal was weakend. Naruto did and had his extraction pulled out by Madara from the Gedo Statue.
Back on topic Naruto also has Ashura's chakra without Kurama as Hagomoro stated in chapter 670 and has the SOSP and before anyone says that he needs the Bijuu Chakra for that, read chapter 672 where he kicks aways Madara's TSO away without them.
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Yamato said that Naruto's chakra was the source of his power, which I showed in the very 1st scan and here's the scan again.
Naruto's entire arsenal is reliant of the boost he gained from the Kyuubi. While Sasuke's is not relaint on external powersources. So the more you downplay him the worse Naruto looks. Furthermore he lost the CM, gained his own Amaterasu, and Hashirama's cells did nothing but save him from death.
No one is stupid enough to start the argument calling them scrubs without their pets either. Without Itachi's eyes where would be Sasuke? He needed help of three people to fight Killer Bee who was not even serious enough and used them to take a vacation.
I don't care about Sasuke, and no one caring about Shino and Kiba enough to shit on them doesn't really refute the fact that Naruto himself is dozens of times weaker without his pets.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama stated in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was. Oh and before does the Kushina comparison. She didn't fight in the war days and had her extraction by Obito when the seal was weakend. Naruto did and had his extraction pulled out by Madara from the Gedo Statue.
Back on topic Naruto also has Ashura's chakra without Kurama as Hagomoro stated in chapter 670 and has the SOSP and before anyone says that he needs the Bijuu Chakra for that, read chapter 672 where he kicks aways Madara's TSO away without them.
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Yamato said that Naruto's chakra was the source of his power, which I showed in the very 1st scan and here's the scan again.
Your reasoning is asinine. Using the MS permanently takes away sight & deteriorates his power. Once it's gone it can't return unless he gains EMS. Sasuke needed to be in good condition to fight Naruto. Gaining Itachi's power was a bonus at most.
Defeated? He evaded or blocked every attack. The only one who damaged him was the Raikage at the cost of an arm in his strongest mode. Sasuke was worn down from his own power. Which is the only reason he needed to be saved (eye bleeding of Amaterasu, physical strain on a celluar level with Susano'o, and ofcourse it's chakra consumption). He wasn't defeated. No one beat him. Nor can recieving assistant be count as a loss given it was a team battle on both sides.
Naruto, in full health, directly stated that he needs the Kyuubi's power to fight Sasuke. As a result Shogun desperately tries to make it seem like Sasuke only took Itachi's eyes for a power boost against Naruto. As if his health wasn't a concern. Regardless of Naruto, he was going to gain EMS.
Naruto's entire arsenal is reliant of the boost he gained from the Kyuubi. While Sasuke's is not relaint on external powersources. So the more you downplay him the worse Naruto looks. Furthermore he lost the CM, gained his own Amaterasu, and Hashirama's cells did nothing but save him from death.
Once again even it that was true Sasuke knew about the side effects going back to his battle against Itachi. The only one who was concerned about the blindness was Obito and I'm aware that he lost the CM after the battle against Itachi and no he didn't awaken the Amaterasu on his own. Itachi implanted it in him, which stated at least 4x when telling him the truth about Itachi.
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Oh and before you mention the 1 time trap. Nowhere was it ever stated to be the case by Obito or even Sasuke.
If you can show me where Sasuke states that he awoken it on his own I'd like to see it and it was a bloodline thing he should've had Itachi IT as well, which he doesn't have to this day and before you do the eye comparison. Sasuke has it in his right eye because that's where Itachi implated it.
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If I had surgery in 1 area. It wouldn't be in another, which is the same concept of Sasuke using the Amaterasu on his right eye as Itachi using it on the left.
These are Sasuke's MS abilities minus the Susanoo
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Hashirama's cells only saved Sasuke's life? By that logic Obito did nothing, but save Naruto when putting Kurama and thr othwr Bijuu put inside of him. Oh and as for external source Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu Chakra, including Yang Kurama and before you mention the instant mastery and the Bijuu Naruto had
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Oh and before you say that he used his own power. No he didn't!
Once again even it that was true Sasuke knew about the side effects going back to his battle against Itachi. The only one who was concerned about the blindness was Obito and I'm aware that he lost the CM after the battle against Itachi and no he didn't awaken the Amaterasu on his own. Itachi implanted it in him, which stated at least 4x when telling him the truth about Itachi.
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Oh and before you mention the 1 time trap. Nowhere was it ever stated to be the case by Obito or even Sasuke.
If you can show me where Sasuke states that he awoken it on his own I'd like to see it and it was a bloodline thing he should've had Itachi IT as well, which he doesn't have to this day and before you do the eye comparison. Sasuke has it in his right eye because that's where Itachi implated it.
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If I had surgery in 1 area. It wouldn't be in another, which is the same concept of Sasuke using the Amaterasu on his right eye as Itachi using it on the left.
These are Sasuke's MS abilities minus the Susanoo
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Hashirama's cells only saved Sasuke's life? By that logic Obito did nothing, but save Naruto when putting Kurama and thr othwr Bijuu put inside of him. Oh and as for external source Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu Chakra, including Yang Kurama and before you mention the instant mastery and the Bijuu Naruto had
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Oh and before you say that he used his own power. No he didn't!
1) Yes and because he knew about the side effects he always knew EMS was an option incase he went blind. Are you seriously saying blindness and permanent loss of his Dojutsu had nothing to do with his decision to gain EMS irrespective of Naruto? That without Naruto he wouldn't have chosen to get it?
2) You posted the page yourself. Tobi literally mentioned how Itachi transfered Amaterasu into Sasuke for the trap. You go above and beyond to downplay statements against Naruto, & misinterpret statements, twisting them in his favor, even claiming the official translations are wrong, yet with Sasuke you just blatantly paint everything against him. According to you Viz is definitely right in those pages, but of course wrong in ones against Naruto.
You're saying that a dead Itachi is able to permanently transfer power. Lol Notice how Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's Mangekyo when Amaterasu activated. Indicating that that it was Itachi's. Whereas everytime afterward Amaterasu was used from Sasuke's own Mangekyo indicating it was his. Furthermore, Itachi casting Amaterasu from his right eye while Sasuke his left is more proof of their differing power.
Every Sharingan user has Genjutsu. Tobi stated Susano'o was rare (467) and Itachi was surprised that Sasuke could even use it (576). So if Itachi was as godly as you claim, able to permanently transfer power, he would have given him all his power to ensure Susano'o could be used. Susano'o is more useful than Amaterasu.
3) You mentioned Hashirama's cells as if they enpowered him. That is what i was countering. They were only used to heal.
4) Again, Naruto has used external power sources the entire series. The worst you try to make Sasuke look the worst Naruto looks. Naruto had Kyuubi from day one, and was given each of the Biju's chakra aswell as half the Sage's power.
And your problem is that you try to attribute everything to the original user whem it comee to Sasuke. Sasuke was given half of the Sage's power, which awakened the Rinnegan. So you equate all of Sasuke's feats to Hagoromo as if Hagoromo was controlling him. He gave him power, but Sasuke's feats are his own skill. For example, the Sage was surprised Sasuke was able to cast Genjutsu all the Biju with a single glance. If this was something he should have automatically be able to do just by gaining his power, then there would be no reason to be surprised.
So yes, Sasuke captured and extracted the Biju's chakra on his own. In the sense that no one was controlling him. Whereas Naruto was GIVEN their power.
Anyway, by your logic, rather than praise Naruto for his feats, you should equate it to Minato, the Kyuubi, and Sage. Yet you don't. Your judgement is blatantly biased and hyprocritical.
1) Yes and because he knew about the side effects he always knew EMS was an option incase he went blind. Are you seriously saying blindness and permanent loss of his Dojutsu had nothing to do with his decision to gain EMS irrespective of Naruto? That without Naruto he wouldn't have chosen to get it?
2) You posted the page yourself. Tobi literally mentioned how Itachi transfered Amaterasu into Sasuke for the trap. You go above and beyond to downplay statements against Naruto, & misinterpret statements, twisting them in his favor, even claiming the official translations are wrong, yet with Sasuke you just blatantly paint everything against him. According to you Viz is definitely right in those pages, but of course wrong in ones against Naruto.
You're saying that a dead Itachi is able to permanently transfer power. Lol Notice how Sasuke's eye took the form of Itachi's Mangekyo when Amaterasu activated. Indicating that that it was Itachi's. Whereas everytime afterward Amaterasu was used from Sasuke's own Mangekyo indicating it was his. Furthermore, Itachi casting Amaterasu from his right eye while Sasuke his left is more proof of their differing power.
Every Sharingan user has Genjutsu. Tobi stated Susano'o was rare (467) and Itachi was surprised that Sasuke could even use it (576). So if Itachi was as godly as you claim, able to permanently transfer power, he would have given him all his power to ensure Susano'o could be used. Susano'o is more useful than Amaterasu.
3) You mentioned Hashirama's cells as if they enpowered him. That is what i was countering. They were only used to heal.
4) Again, Naruto has used external power sources the entire series. The worst you try to make Sasuke look the worst Naruto looks. Naruto had Kyuubi from day one, and was given each of the Biju's chakra aswell as half the Sage's power.
And your problem is that you try to attribute everything to the original user whem it comee to Sasuke. Sasuke was given half of the Sage's power, which awakened the Rinnegan. So you equate all of Sasuke's feats to Hagoromo as if Hagoromo was controlling him. He gave him power, but Sasuke's feats are his own skill. For example, the Sage was surprised Sasuke was able to cast Genjutsu all the Biju with a single glance. If this was something he should have automatically be able to do just by gaining his power, then there would be no reason to be surprised.
So yes, Sasuke captured and extracted the Biju's chakra on his own. In the sense that no one was controlling him. Whereas Naruto was GIVEN their power.
Anyway, by your logic, rather than praise Naruto for his feats, you should equate it to Minato, the Kyuubi, and Sage. Yet you don't. Your judgement is blatantly biased and hyprocritical.
1. Sasuke wasn't concerned about the side effects aside from when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit, which makes your argument irrelevant. Obito also asked Sasuke if he wanted to implant Itachi's eyes in him before the Kage Summit in chapter 403 and since you read from Mangasee the pg is 24. He said no because he couldn't follow in Itachi and when he does go for it was go soley crush Naruto and once again the only time Sasuke was concerned about the blindness was when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit.
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2. He also said it at least 3x that was implanted in him and a failed doesn't mean that he still didn't have the ability either. I read the entire story and yes it was to transfer Itachi's power to him and there isn't a single indication that Sasuke ever awoken the amaterasu on his own. Please provide a valid source that he did.
Here's the definition of implant as well
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When an Uchiha awakens the MS they're fully aware on how it works
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When Obito awoken the Kamui, he knew instantly on how it worked. Sasuke didn't, which further indicates that Itachi had implanted in him
3. Healing means that it's still helping him in battle
4. That doesn't change the fact Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu chakra, including Yang Kurama and Sasuke Naruto got the other half from Hagomoro as well and Hagomoro is using his own power to capture the Bijuu, while Sasuke is using the Rinnegan Hagomoro gave him to do so, meaning that Sasuke isn't relying on his on power either. Sasuke also took a portion of Yin Kurama's chakra as well.
Once again Kurama isn't Naruto's only ability either.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama confirms in chaoter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction. Read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was alive and just in case anyone wants to bring up the Kushina comparison
Kushina didn't fight in the war for days. Naruto did and had his extraction happen by Madara with the Gedo Statue, while Kushina's happened when from Obito when the seal was weakned.
Ashura's chakra, which Hagomoro stated in chapter 670
SOSP and before you say that he needs the Bijuu for that
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Oh and before you mention the healing. Kurama only heals Naruto to a certain extent not to mention he was fighting 10 Tails, which was more powerful than even Kurama himself who admitted this in the war and Obito stated this at the Kage Summit where Sasuke showed up late and fought 1 battle before showing up, since gaining the EMS where Itachi did 80% of the work when fighting Kabuto.
Back on topic! If he used Hagomoro's power to capture the Bijuu then he didn't do it with his own strength. He used an outside source to do so because the Rinnegan he had belongs to Hagomoro not him
1. Sasuke wasn't concerned about the side effects aside from when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit, which makes your argument irrelevant. Obito also asked Sasuke if he wanted to implant Itachi's eyes in him before the Kage Summit in chapter 403 and since you read from Mangasee the pg is 24. He said no because he couldn't follow in Itachi and when he does go for it was go soley crush Naruto and once again the only time Sasuke was concerned about the blindness was when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit.
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2. He also said it at least 3x that was implanted in him and a failed doesn't mean that he still didn't have the ability either. I read the entire story and yes it was to transfer Itachi's power to him and there isn't a single indication that Sasuke ever awoken the amaterasu on his own. Please provide a valid source that he did.
Here's the definition of implant as well
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When an Uchiha awakens the MS they're fully aware on how it works
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When Obito awoken the Kamui, he knew instantly on how it worked. Sasuke didn't, which further indicates that Itachi had implanted in him
3. Healing means that it's still helping him in battle
4. That doesn't change the fact Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu chakra, including Yang Kurama and Sasuke Naruto got the other half from Hagomoro as well and Hagomoro is using his own power to capture the Bijuu, while Sasuke is using the Rinnegan Hagomoro gave him to do so, meaning that Sasuke isn't relying on his on power either. Sasuke also took a portion of Yin Kurama's chakra as well.
Once again Kurama isn't Naruto's only ability either.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama confirms in chaoter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction. Read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm that he was alive and just in case anyone wants to bring up the Kushina comparison
Kushina didn't fight in the war for days. Naruto did and had his extraction happen by Madara with the Gedo Statue, while Kushina's happened when from Obito when the seal was weakned.
Ashura's chakra, which Hagomoro stated in chapter 670
SOSP and before you say that he needs the Bijuu for that
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Oh and before you mention the healing. Kurama only heals Naruto to a certain extent not to mention he was fighting 10 Tails, which was more powerful than even Kurama himself who admitted this in the war and Obito stated this at the Kage Summit where Sasuke showed up late and fought 1 battle before showing up, since gaining the EMS where Itachi did 80% of the work when fighting Kabuto.
Back on topic! If he used Hagomoro's power to capture the Bijuu then he didn't do it with his own strength. He used an outside source to do so because the Rinnegan he had belongs to Hagomoro not him
1) He never experienced the side effects until AFTER he declared that he didn't want Itachi's eyes. Now knowing had bad they were from experience, and on the verge of blindness, ofcourse he would gain Itachi's eyes regardless of Naruto. You are so intent on downplaying that you are ignoring logic. Sasuke wouldn't decide to remain blind and powerless for the rest of his life knowing he could overcome it. Sasuke wouldn't have tried to destroy Konoha while blind, unable to use ANY of his Dojutsu abilities. Including the normal Sharingan.
Stop rejecting logic and attributing everything to Naruto. Near blind and Dojutsu-less Sasuke needed to gain EMS in general. While healthy Naruto specifically needed the Kyuubi's power to fight Sasuke. There's no way around this. You can like Naruto more while admitting Sasuke's superiority.
2) Already did. The series makes it obvious. Tobi: Itachi wanted to protect you from me. He transfered his power to you. Scene - Itachi's Mangekyo activates in respose to Tobi and unleashes Mangekyo. Sasuke awakens his own Mangekyo, uses Amaterasu from it, in a different eye, has his own Genjutsu, which Danzo even declares is far below Itachi's, and has his own Susano'o. The databook even specifies exactly what Itachi did.
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Your logic of Itachi somehow implanted automatic knowledge of how to use Amaterasu falls flat given Sasuke didn't know the flames could be extinguished til he fought Bee (415).
3) It healed him out of battle. If he was healed in the midst of it you would have a point.
4) You tend to overlook context. People speak down on Naruto because he automatically recieved Kyuubi boost without doing anything. Due to the way Minato set the seal. Most of Naruto's arsenal is the result of this. He wouldn't be able to spam Shadow Clones, Rasengans, etc as he does without the Kyuubi amps. His fighting style being so reliant on said boost makes him lackluster. Whereas Sasuke was very capable without any external power ups. And the external power ups he had, for the most part were temporary (CM, Biju, with the latter he gained through his own skill rather than it being given like Naruto). So downplaying Sasuke makes Naruto look even worse. It's counter-productive and useless in the sense that no one was even denying that Sasuke has/uses external power.
If Naruto had abilities that weren't chakra heavy, then he'd look better. The Kyuubi effected everything. Advanced healing means Naruto recovers faster, thus he can train far more than Naruto. Like was shown in chapter 162. More stamina=more chakra, therefore again, Naruto can train far more than normal. The techniques he tended to learn were chakra heavy and time consuming. So much so that it wouldn't be feasible to try to learn without his advantages. Meanwhile Sasuke has shown the capability to make extraordinary progress in rapid succession within a short amount of time without said advantages nor whatever external power sources he recieved.
5) Kushina had the FULL Kyuubi extracted while weakened from child birth while not having a seal designed to let the Kyuubi's chakra leak to enhance her like Naruto did. The only thing Naruto gained from being an Uzumaki power-wise is a strong life force.
Ashura's chakra didn't enpower Naruto. Hagoromo and Ashura followed the belief of Ninshu. That chakra should be used to connect with others rather than power a single individual.
1) He never experienced the side effects until AFTER he declared that he didn't want Itachi's eyes. Now knowing had bad they were from experience, and on the verge of blindness, ofcourse he would gain Itachi's eyes regardless of Naruto. You are so intent on downplaying that you are ignoring logic. Sasuke wouldn't decide to remain blind and powerless for the rest of his life knowing he could overcome it. Sasuke wouldn't have tried to destroy Konoha while blind, unable to use ANY of his Dojutsu abilities. Including the normal Sharingan.
Stop rejecting logic and attributing everything to Naruto. Near blind and Dojutsu-less Sasuke needed to gain EMS in general. While healthy Naruto specifically needed the Kyuubi's power to fight Sasuke. There's no way around this. You can like Naruto more while admitting Sasuke's superiority.
2) Already did. The series makes it obvious. Tobi: Itachi wanted to protect you from me. He transfered his power to you. Scene - Itachi's Mangekyo activates in respose to Tobi and unleashes Mangekyo. Sasuke awakens his own Mangekyo, uses Amaterasu from it, in a different eye, has his own Genjutsu, which Danzo even declares is far below Itachi's, and has his own Susano'o. The databook even specifies exactly what Itachi did.
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Your logic of Itachi somehow implanted automatic knowledge of how to use Amaterasu falls flat given Sasuke didn't know the flames could be extinguished til he fought Bee (415).
3) It healed him out of battle. If he was healed in the midst of it you would have a point.
4) You tend to overlook context. People speak down on Naruto because he automatically recieved Kyuubi boost without doing anything. Due to the way Minato set the seal. Most of Naruto's arsenal is the result of this. He wouldn't be able to spam Shadow Clones, Rasengans, etc as he does without the Kyuubi amps. His fighting style being so reliant on said boost makes him lackluster. Whereas Sasuke was very capable without any external power ups. And the external power ups he had, for the most part were temporary (CM, Biju, with the latter he gained through his own skill rather than it being given like Naruto). So downplaying Sasuke makes Naruto look even worse. It's counter-productive and useless in the sense that no one was even denying that Sasuke has/uses external power.
If Naruto had abilities that weren't chakra heavy, then he'd look better. The Kyuubi effected everything. Advanced healing means Naruto recovers faster, thus he can train far more than Naruto. Like was shown in chapter 162. More stamina=more chakra, therefore again, Naruto can train far more than normal. The techniques he tended to learn were chakra heavy and time consuming. So much so that it wouldn't be feasible to try to learn without his advantages. Meanwhile Sasuke has shown the capability to make extraordinary progress in rapid succession within a short amount of time without said advantages nor whatever external power sources he recieved.
5) Kushina had the FULL Kyuubi extracted while weakened from child birth while not having a seal designed to let the Kyuubi's chakra leak to enhance her like Naruto did. The only thing Naruto gained from being an Uzumaki power-wise is a strong life force.
Ashura's chakra didn't enpower Naruto. Hagoromo and Ashura followed the belief of Ninshu. That chakra should be used to connect with others rather than power a single individual.
1. He knew that it could make him blind because Itachi stated
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He also saw the side effect firsthand when fighting him
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So yes the EMS was a simple power up as well and Sasuke didn't think about the EMS until Naruto came with the Rasengan/Chidori exchange as well
2. It was initially go protect from Obito, but it was still implanted in him and there's no indication that Sasuke ever awoken it on his own, so you're just making up your own head canon. The databook doesn't prove that Sasuke awoken it on his own. It just states on how the Amaterasu works.
Here's the defintion of transfer as well and you ignore that Obito said that it was implanted in him as well
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You're proving my point when you said that Sasuke wasn't sure how to stop the Amaterasu Itachi did when him and were fighting and once again Obito was fully aware on how the Kamui worked as well, which further indicates that Sasuke had it implanted in him by Itachi. You've given no evidence on Sasuke ever awakening it on his own.
3. Even if that true Sasuke still had it available
4. Wrong! When Kurama gives his chakra it's red, which's common knowledge to everyone except and no Yamato wasn't sealing the Kyubii during the Rasenshuriken Training. He was sealing Kurama entirely.
When he spams the shadow clones that's his base chakra only not Kurama. The only 1s who think it's Kurama are you, Salamander Uchiha, Perm, Sasuke fans, and people who haven't watched the show for a long time
Once again Kakashi was stating that Naruto's base chakra was 4x higher than his without. The only 1s who think it's the Kyubii mixing are you Salamander Uchiha, Perm, and Sasuke fans as well as fans whk hardly watched the show.
Everyone else will say that I'm right, including and even the databooks say rhat I'm right as well and ask fans who say that Naruto and Sasuke both had plot armour will agree with me on this
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What are talking about Sasuke received extra boosts as well and if you're recieving it from someone then it's an external
The cursmark he got from Orochimaru up until after his battle against and he trained for it when going to Orochimaru. When he it was in the Final Valley Part 1, it acted completely on it's own.
Once again the Amaterasu was transferred by Itachi and I already proved this. The only 1s who think otherwise are you and Sasuke fans. Everyone else will say that Itachi implanted in him and he never trained for it at all. He got it because Itachi implanted it in him
Hashirama's cell he got from Kabuto1
You should look up the definition of external source as well as well
You said that Naruto didn't train to gain Kurama's power. I'll take it you don't watch his training with Killer Bee or when Naruto was fighting Kurama
Sasuke didn't train for the Rinnegan either. That was a straight power from Hagomoro
5. If that was true, he wouldn't be able to contain Kurama at all and before you mwntion the chains that only applies to female Uzumakis like her and Karin otherwise Nagato should've had it as well. Kushina states that she was able to contain Kurama because of her high chakra in chapter 500 and Kurama confirms that he has her DNA in chapter 617
Oh and before you use the the 519 and 490 scans as well
Be sure not to leave these out
This what Fukkasaku was talking about
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This is what was actually being discussed in chapter 519 .
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In the inaccurate translation Naruto said that he had plenty of his own plus the Kyubii
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Minaro didn't set the seal to continually mix.
He setit that if the Kyubii was to leak out, it'd be supressed and meshed with his chakra.
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This is when the Kyubii mixes with base form according to Kurama if nothing else
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Edit: The only 1s who think that Sasuke awoken it on his own are you and Sasuke fans.
Edit: You overhype Sasuke as well
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Naruto also did 1,000 SC after Orochimaru messed with the sealing in chapters 62-63
1. He knew that it could make him blind because Itachi stated
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He also saw the side effect firsthand when fighting him
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So yes the EMS was a simple power up as well and Sasuke didn't think about the EMS until Naruto came with the Rasengan/Chidori exchange as well
2. It was initially go protect from Obito, but it was still implanted in him and there's no indication that Sasuke ever awoken it on his own, so you're just making up your own head canon. The databook doesn't prove that Sasuke awoken it on his own. It just states on how the Amaterasu works.
Here's the defintion of transfer as well and you ignore that Obito said that it was implanted in him as well
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You're proving my point when you said that Sasuke wasn't sure how to stop the Amaterasu Itachi did when him and were fighting and once again Obito was fully aware on how the Kamui worked as well, which further indicates that Sasuke had it implanted in him by Itachi. You've given no evidence on Sasuke ever awakening it on his own.
3. Even if that true Sasuke still had it available
4. Wrong! When Kurama gives his chakra it's red, which's common knowledge to everyone except and no Yamato wasn't sealing the Kyubii during the Rasenshuriken Training. He was sealing Kurama entirely.
When he spams the shadow clones that's his base chakra only not Kurama. The only 1s who think it's Kurama are you, Salamander Uchiha, Perm, Sasuke fans, and people who haven't watched the show for a long time
Once again Kakashi was stating that Naruto's base chakra was 4x higher than his without. The only 1s who think it's the Kyubii mixing are you Salamander Uchiha, Perm, and Sasuke fans as well as fans whk hardly watched the show.
Everyone else will say that I'm right, including and even the databooks say rhat I'm right as well and ask fans who say that Naruto and Sasuke both had plot armour will agree with me on this
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What are talking about Sasuke received extra boosts as well and if you're recieving it from someone then it's an external
The cursmark he got from Orochimaru up until after his battle against and he trained for it when going to Orochimaru. When he it was in the Final Valley Part 1, it acted completely on it's own.
Once again the Amaterasu was transferred by Itachi and I already proved this. The only 1s who think otherwise are you and Sasuke fans. Everyone else will say that Itachi implanted in him and he never trained for it at all. He got it because Itachi implanted it in him
Hashirama's cell he got from Kabuto1
You should look up the definition of external source as well as well
You said that Naruto didn't train to gain Kurama's power. I'll take it you don't watch his training with Killer Bee or when Naruto was fighting Kurama
Sasuke didn't train for the Rinnegan either. That was a straight power from Hagomoro
5. If that was true, he wouldn't be able to contain Kurama at all and before you mwntion the chains that only applies to female Uzumakis like her and Karin otherwise Nagato should've had it as well. Kushina states that she was able to contain Kurama because of her high chakra in chapter 500 and Kurama confirms that he has her DNA in chapter 617
Oh and before you use the the 519 and 490 scans as well
Be sure not to leave these out
This what Fukkasaku was talking about
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This is what was actually being discussed in chapter 519 .
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In the inaccurate translation Naruto said that he had plenty of his own plus the Kyubii
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Minaro didn't set the seal to continually mix.
He setit that if the Kyubii was to leak out, it'd be supressed and meshed with his chakra.
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This is when the Kyubii mixes with base form according to Kurama if nothing else
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Edit: The only 1s who think that Sasuke awoken it on his own are you and Sasuke fans.
Edit: You overhype Sasuke as well
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Naruto also did 1,000 SC after Orochimaru messed with the sealing in chapters 62-63
1) He didn't know about Susano'os side effect until he used it (466). He literally wasn't shown speaking about gaining EMS until after he faced Naruto, but regardless of Naruto, do you really think he wouldn't have gained it? And attempt to destroy Konoha while blind? Lol.
2) The databook literally states the method Itachi used and how it works. It is specifically set to activate upon certain conditions. That being when Sasuke sees Tobi's Sharingan. And yes, Sasuke gained his own Amaterasu when he awakened his Mangekyo. Just as he did Susano'o. Lmao if everyone's Susano'os looked the same i bet you would claim Itachi gave that to Sasuke aswell.
3) Hashirama's cells were never stated nor shown to provide him any sort of powerboost. We literally saw how it effected other characters. Sasuke showed none of those benefits.
4) You keep repeating the same BS. Yamato surpressed the Kyuubi by physically restraining it with Wood Style. This was shown during the Orochimaru battle and during training. Yamato did nothing about the internal Kyuubi chakra. Only the chakra that leaks out to form cloaks. Wheres your proof that he has some remote method to supress the Kyuubi? He only showed 1 method which involved physical contact as i just explained.
Again, the Kyuubi's chakra mixes with Naruto's base without him even gaining any of the foxe's features (eyes, whiskers, etc). You yourself have acknowledged that he recieves advanced healing and more stamina. A direct example is chapter 11. It was made clear that the Kyuubi's chakra was healing Naruto, yet he looked exactly the same as normal (no fox eyes, whiskers, etc).
Get it? I'm saying that Yamato didn't suppress this. He only surpressed the red chakra (cloaks) Naruto recieves when the Kyuubi voluntarily gives him chakra.
3) "What are talking about Sasuke received extra boosts as well and if you're recieving it from someone then it's an external"
Are you really this dumb? I've literally said that no one denies that Sasuke has recieved external power sources. So why are you acting like i claimed otherwise. I've already explained why Naruto is downplayed - because he is too relaint on the Kyuubi, whereas Sasuke is very capable even without any external power sources.
5) Headcanon. It was never stated that only female Uzumaki have chakra chains and Kushina said she has POWERFUL chakra. She never said she had alot.
6) You're trying to paint everything according to your agenda. You make it sound like it wasn't done on purpose. Like Minato did it "just in case." No, the seal was purposefully set that way with the intention of allowing the Kyuubi's chakra to slip out. The Elder toad makes this clear.
Jiraiya was deducing things in an earlier part of the series where he had just met Naruto. Seeing the seal for the first time. Whereas years later, when the mystery was already solved, the toads provided a direct answer of the truth. No speculation involved.
Naruto didn't say i have alot of chakra on my own AND the Kyuubi's. Rather, he entirely attributed the Kyuubi to why he has alot of chakra. Because as he learned from the Elder Toad, Minato set the seal so the Kyuubi's chakra continuously leaked out and mixed with his. Becoming his own.
You're so separate that you're not even posting full pages or even panels. Rather select parts that you can warp to your narrative.
1) He didn't know about Susano'os side effect until he used it (466). He literally wasn't shown speaking about gaining EMS until after he faced Naruto, but regardless of Naruto, do you really think he wouldn't have gained it? And attempt to destroy Konoha while blind? Lol.
2) The databook literally states the method Itachi used and how it works. It is specifically set to activate upon certain conditions. That being when Sasuke sees Tobi's Sharingan. And yes, Sasuke gained his own Amaterasu when he awakened his Mangekyo. Just as he did Susano'o. Lmao if everyone's Susano'os looked the same i bet you would claim Itachi gave that to Sasuke aswell.
3) Hashirama's cells were never stated nor shown to provide him any sort of powerboost. We literally saw how it effected other characters. Sasuke showed none of those benefits.
4) You keep repeating the same BS. Yamato surpressed the Kyuubi by physically restraining it with Wood Style. This was shown during the Orochimaru battle and during training. Yamato did nothing about the internal Kyuubi chakra. Only the chakra that leaks out to form cloaks. Wheres your proof that he has some remote method to supress the Kyuubi? He only showed 1 method which involved physical contact as i just explained.
Again, the Kyuubi's chakra mixes with Naruto's base without him even gaining any of the foxe's features (eyes, whiskers, etc). You yourself have acknowledged that he recieves advanced healing and more stamina. A direct example is chapter 11. It was made clear that the Kyuubi's chakra was healing Naruto, yet he looked exactly the same as normal (no fox eyes, whiskers, etc).
Get it? I'm saying that Yamato didn't suppress this. He only surpressed the red chakra (cloaks) Naruto recieves when the Kyuubi voluntarily gives him chakra.
3) "What are talking about Sasuke received extra boosts as well and if you're recieving it from someone then it's an external"
Are you really this dumb? I've literally said that no one denies that Sasuke has recieved external power sources. So why are you acting like i claimed otherwise. I've already explained why Naruto is downplayed - because he is too relaint on the Kyuubi, whereas Sasuke is very capable even without any external power sources.
5) Headcanon. It was never stated that only female Uzumaki have chakra chains and Kushina said she has POWERFUL chakra. She never said she had alot.
6) You're trying to paint everything according to your agenda. You make it sound like it wasn't done on purpose. Like Minato did it "just in case." No, the seal was purposefully set that way with the intention of allowing the Kyuubi's chakra to slip out. The Elder toad makes this clear.
Jiraiya was deducing things in an earlier part of the series where he had just met Naruto. Seeing the seal for the first time. Whereas years later, when the mystery was already solved, the toads provided a direct answer of the truth. No speculation involved.
Naruto didn't say i have alot of chakra on my own AND the Kyuubi's. Rather, he entirely attributed the Kyuubi to why he has alot of chakra. Because as he learned from the Elder Toad, Minato set the seal so the Kyuubi's chakra continuously leaked out and mixed with his. Becoming his own.
You're so separate that you're not even posting full pages or even panels. Rather select parts that you can warp to your narrative.
1. He still knew that the MS was great risk and knew that he could potentially go blind without the EMS, which I showed earlier and was asked if he would take Itachi's, but said no. Once again Obito was the only concerned his blindness. Sasuke wasn't even concerned about it aside from when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit and didn't even think of putting the EMS inside of him, so no it was for a straight power up, which Sasuke even said when the implantation and either way it's his fault that he nearly became blind in the first place as well.
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2. The datatbook prove Sasuke awoken it on his own, which is a complete lie and you've given no evidence of this nor of even a single manga scan where Sasuke stated that he awoken. No, Obito stated that Itachi implanted in him.
3. Power boost are external
He was given rhe curaemark by Orochimaru
Given the Amaterasu by Itachi
Given the Rinnegan
None of these he would've gained on his own either.
Yamato stated that he was completley supressing Kurama in chapter 299 and I gave evidence of this, which you're clearly ignoring and this translation comes from mangasee as well.
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4. If male Uzumaki could awaken it then was hasn't Nagato done it already and why was Karin able to as well and anyone who isn't a Sasuke will say that you're making up your own head canon.
5. No he didn't! He was talking about the Kyubii transformation and anyone who's read the entire chapter knows that I'm right.
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Jiraya stated that if the Kyubii was to leak out it'd be supressed and meshed with his chakra according to the mangasee translation
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Yes, Naruto did say that he had his own plus the Kyubii and all anyone has to do is pay attention to 1st sentence to see for themselves. He said plenty of his own chakra in the very 1st sentence.
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Don't forget about this as well and this was Naruto's statement as well
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The databooks also back up what I say as well and without Kurama Minato and Kushina are alive as well, so he would be learning thw Uzumqki Sealings, Flying Rajin, and Rasengan as well.
1. He still knew that the MS was great risk and knew that he could potentially go blind without the EMS, which I showed earlier and was asked if he would take Itachi's, but said no. Once again Obito was the only concerned his blindness. Sasuke wasn't even concerned about it aside from when he was fighting Kakashi at the Kage Summit and didn't even think of putting the EMS inside of him, so no it was for a straight power up, which Sasuke even said when the implantation and either way it's his fault that he nearly became blind in the first place as well.
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2. The datatbook prove Sasuke awoken it on his own, which is a complete lie and you've given no evidence of this nor of even a single manga scan where Sasuke stated that he awoken. No, Obito stated that Itachi implanted in him.
3. Power boost are external
He was given rhe curaemark by Orochimaru
Given the Amaterasu by Itachi
Given the Rinnegan
None of these he would've gained on his own either.
Yamato stated that he was completley supressing Kurama in chapter 299 and I gave evidence of this, which you're clearly ignoring and this translation comes from mangasee as well.
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4. If male Uzumaki could awaken it then was hasn't Nagato done it already and why was Karin able to as well and anyone who isn't a Sasuke will say that you're making up your own head canon.
5. No he didn't! He was talking about the Kyubii transformation and anyone who's read the entire chapter knows that I'm right.
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Jiraya stated that if the Kyubii was to leak out it'd be supressed and meshed with his chakra according to the mangasee translation
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Yes, Naruto did say that he had his own plus the Kyubii and all anyone has to do is pay attention to 1st sentence to see for themselves. He said plenty of his own chakra in the very 1st sentence.
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Don't forget about this as well and this was Naruto's statement as well
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The databooks also back up what I say as well and without Kurama Minato and Kushina are alive as well, so he would be learning thw Uzumqki Sealings, Flying Rajin, and Rasengan as well.
1) Pathetic as usual. You continue to deny logic and twist things to suit your agenda to the point where you deny basic logic. Who wants to live life blind? Who wants to lose their greatest powers? Regardless of Naruto he would have gained EMS as it was NOW necessary to have it inorder to destroy Konoha. UNLIKE BEFORE. Sasuke denied Itachi's eyes back when he was in FULL HEALTH.
He didn't just gain it for a power boost. Health was now essential, unlike before. You keep mentioning how he denied EMS before while ignoring context. And speak as if the concept of people underestimating things isn't common. Sasuke never intended to use the Mangekyo enough to go blind. He went to the Summit for Danzo. He needed to infiltrate with Karin so she can identify him inorder to keep track of his chakra signature. He would have waited til after the meeting to confront Danzo on his way back to Konoha had Zetsu on Tobi's command not ordered him to tell everyone Sasuke was there so they would fight him. Thereby forcing him to use his Mangekyo.
Also, funny how when Sasuke gains EMS he didn't gain Itachi's Susano'o yet you think a near blind and dead Itachi was somehow able to permanently give him Amaterasu.
2) Obito said Itachi placed Amaterasu in Sasuke to attack him. Then the databook literally explains what Itachi did and how it works. Explicitly stating that it works under a set condition. Never did it say Itachi permanently gave him Amaterasu. A MANGEKYO technique. Sasuke didn't even have the Mangekyo at that point.
Lol apparently you think a near blind and dead Itachi has greater skill than all the Biju and Rinnegan Sasuke. So when the Biju give Naruto some of their chakra, and when Naruto uses it all, it's gone until he recieves some more from them. Same for Sasuke when he absorbed their chakra. Yet somehow Itachi can give Sasuke unlimited Amaterasu usage? Ridiculous.
But you'd rather believe this stupid logic than accept that Sasuke's Mangekyo came with Amaterasu, as it did Susano'o.
3) You really are dumb. How many times do i have to say the same thing? I never denied that Sasuke gained external power sources. People downplay Naruto because his entire arsenal is reliant on Kyuubi amps. Whereas Sasuke is an extraordinary fighter without external power sources.
Is his Fire style reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Lightning style reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Kenjutsu reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Bukijutsu reliant on the CM and Rinnegan? Is his normal Sharingan reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Taijutsu reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his summonings reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his chakra control reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his intelligence reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his talent reliant on the CM & Rinnegan?
4) Yes, Yamato suppressed the Kyuubi cloaks. Inorder to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra completely the seal would need to be shut. Which it obviously wasn't given the cloaks still appeared. Again, he can't do anything about the internal Kyuubi chakra, only the external (cloaks). Which he was shown to do. You keep pointing out his words which you misinterpret to fit your agenda. Meanwhile Yamato is shown only surpressing the cloaks.
Again, apply logic. If the Kyuubi was 100 percent surpressed why would Naruto still enter 1-3 tails mode? If it's 100 percent suppressed then it wouldn't leak out of the seal much less his body.
4) You're literally the only one i've ever seen say only female Uzumaki can use chakra chains. Lmao okay then if that's true as you claim then post a page that states it.
5) The Toad literally stated what Minato did with the seal to boost Naruto's chakra and Naruto attributed that to why he has alot. Accept it.
1) Pathetic as usual. You continue to deny logic and twist things to suit your agenda to the point where you deny basic logic. Who wants to live life blind? Who wants to lose their greatest powers? Regardless of Naruto he would have gained EMS as it was NOW necessary to have it inorder to destroy Konoha. UNLIKE BEFORE. Sasuke denied Itachi's eyes back when he was in FULL HEALTH.
He didn't just gain it for a power boost. Health was now essential, unlike before. You keep mentioning how he denied EMS before while ignoring context. And speak as if the concept of people underestimating things isn't common. Sasuke never intended to use the Mangekyo enough to go blind. He went to the Summit for Danzo. He needed to infiltrate with Karin so she can identify him inorder to keep track of his chakra signature. He would have waited til after the meeting to confront Danzo on his way back to Konoha had Zetsu on Tobi's command not ordered him to tell everyone Sasuke was there so they would fight him. Thereby forcing him to use his Mangekyo.
Also, funny how when Sasuke gains EMS he didn't gain Itachi's Susano'o yet you think a near blind and dead Itachi was somehow able to permanently give him Amaterasu.
2) Obito said Itachi placed Amaterasu in Sasuke to attack him. Then the databook literally explains what Itachi did and how it works. Explicitly stating that it works under a set condition. Never did it say Itachi permanently gave him Amaterasu. A MANGEKYO technique. Sasuke didn't even have the Mangekyo at that point.
Lol apparently you think a near blind and dead Itachi has greater skill than all the Biju and Rinnegan Sasuke. So when the Biju give Naruto some of their chakra, and when Naruto uses it all, it's gone until he recieves some more from them. Same for Sasuke when he absorbed their chakra. Yet somehow Itachi can give Sasuke unlimited Amaterasu usage? Ridiculous.
But you'd rather believe this stupid logic than accept that Sasuke's Mangekyo came with Amaterasu, as it did Susano'o.
3) You really are dumb. How many times do i have to say the same thing? I never denied that Sasuke gained external power sources. People downplay Naruto because his entire arsenal is reliant on Kyuubi amps. Whereas Sasuke is an extraordinary fighter without external power sources.
Is his Fire style reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Lightning style reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Kenjutsu reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Bukijutsu reliant on the CM and Rinnegan? Iss his normal Sharingan reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his Taijutsu reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his summonings reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his chakra control reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his intelligence reliant on the CM & Rinnegan? Is his talent relaint on the CM & Rinnegan?
4) Yes, Yamato suppressed the Kyuubi cloaks. Inorder to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra completely the seal would need to be shut. Which it obviously wasn't given the cloaks still appeared. Again, he can't do anything about the internal Kyuubi chakra, only the external (cloaks). Which he was shown to do. You keep pointing out his words which you misinterpret to fit your agenda. Meanwhile Yamato is shown only surpressing the cloaks.
Again, apply logic. If the Kyuubi was 100 percent surpressed why would Naruto still enter 1-3 tails mode? If it's 100 percent suppressed then it wouldn't leak of the seal much less his body
4) You're literally the only one i've ever seen say only female Uzumaki can use chakra chains. Lmao okay then if that's true as you claim then post a page that states it.
5) The Toad literally stated what Minato did with the seal to boost Naruto's chakra and Naruto attributed that to why he has alot. Accept it.
1. He could've also gotten it before the Kage Summir, but didn't and maybe he does have it implanted later, but the readon why Sasuke didn't was because he said that he didn't want to follow in Itachi's footsteps. What agena? I'm just putting my poing across.
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No! It wasn't because of health
Here's proof only Obito was concerned about his blindness.
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Sasuke literally says that it wad to destroy Naruto and he didn't think of putting the EMS until the clash with Naruto
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2. He also said that it was implanted in him at least 4x and anyone who's not a Sasuke know that Itachi actually did indeeed implant. The databook doesn't prove anything. Itachi's skill has nothjng ro do with Sasuke gettinv the Amaterasu. If it was really his ability then he should've been fully aware on how to use it from the beginning like Obito did with the Kamui or the same way he used the genjutsu on the guard to find Killer as well as use it on him as well.
Why didn't he? Bedause Itachi transferred it to him and once again, anyone who's not a Sasuke fan will get the concept, especially other readers who read the manga for a long time and implanted means it was still inside his body, meaning that he didn't awaken it on his own.
3. No, it's actually the way around. Naruto fans don't deny getting power from Kurama, but are simply saying that he doesn't rely on Kurama on every scenerio. It's other experinced readers, indluding fans who say that Naruto qnd Sasuke both had plot armour.
When I did say Sasuke didn't have abilities that weren't his? I said that he benefited from abilities that weren't his either, which's true.
Back when Sasuke had the cursemark it amped all of his abilities going back to chapter 219 and when he was in CS 2 it amped everything he had 10x, which Jorobo explained when fighting Choji in chapter 190.
Sasuke only has the edge on Taijutsu because it was required amongst the Uchiha, while Naruto had no one to help him with it.
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If male Uzumakis could do it then Nagato should've been able to do it as well because he's also an Uzumako1
4. No, he was saying that he was completely supressing Kurama and told Naruto not to rely on him, but his own strength to get Sasuke back in chapter 299
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5.Wrong! According to your logic Fukkasaku said that would slowly leak out, meaning that the Kyubii little factor in his battles by your own logic.
However, that wasn't what he was talking. He was talking about when Naruto was pulling out the Kyubii and if nothing else Kurama backs up what I say as well in chaptee 645.
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If anything Kurama was siphoning most of Naruto's chakra was used to keep Kurama at bay because it was his chakra that was keeping at bay, in the top left of the pg in chapter 299.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama confirms in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm he was alive.
Kakashi stated that Naruto's base chakra is 4x higher than his without Kurama
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No! He wasn't talking about the Kyubii leaking and Yamato wasn't simply sealing the Kyubii cloak either because he told Naruto not to rely on Kurama after going 4 Tails against Orochimaru and to use him, which indicates that he was using his own chakra during the Rasenshuriken and when learning Sage Mode, which Kurama tried to prevent him from doing in chapter 425.
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Here's Kurama explaining why he tried to prevent him from using it in chapter 645 when giving the idea of going into Kyubii/Sage Mode as well.
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He also Ashura's chakra without Kurama
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He can use the SOSP without Kurama as shown in chapter 672 as well
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Edit: I meant to say that no one helped Naruto with Taijutsu until he met up with Fukkasaku as well.
Uzumaki Bloodline, which Kurama confirms in chapter 617 and before anyone mentions the extraction read chapters 662-63 where the WZ and Kurama both confirm he was alive.
Kakashi stated that Naruto's base chakra is 4x higher than his without Kurama
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No! He wasn't talking about the Kyubii leaking and Yamato wasn't simply sealing the Kyubii cloak either because he told Naruto not to rely on Kurama after going 4 Tails against Orochimaru and to use him, which indicates that he was using his own chakra during the Rasenshuriken and when learning Sage Mode, which Kurama tried to prevent him from doing in chapter 425.
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Here's Kurama explaining why he tried to prevent him from using it in chapter 645 when giving the idea of going into Kyubii/Sage Mode as well.
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He also Ashura's chakra without Kurama
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He can use the SOSP without Kurama as shown in chapter 672 as well
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Edit: I meant to say that no one helped Naruto with Taijutsu until he met up with Fukkasaku as well.
1) Again, you still insist as if Sasuke never would have gotten EMS had it not been for Naruto which is illogical.
2) Itachi can't permanently give put power. The Amaterasu was literally stated to activate in accordance to Tobi. Sasuke didn't know how to use Susano'o right away either lol. Literally the only reason you don't claim Itachi gave Sasuke Susano'o is because there's are obviously completely different.
While looking for other dumb excuses you came up with another that counters your other dumb excuse. Your logic of Itachi must have given Amaterasu to him because he didn't know how it works would also apply to Susano'o given Sasuke didn't immediately know how to use it either otherwise he would have used it against Bee. What's next? You're going to act like he knew how to use it but it wouldn't have been useful in that battle? Lol.
And again, Genjutsu is an ability of the normal Sharingan so ofcourse Sasuke was able to use it with his Mangekyo.
3) You guys don't acknowledge how much the Kyuubi has helped him. Hence your constant denial of Naruto having alot of chakra because of the Kyuubi.
No one denied Sasuke has had external power sources. You're the one who decided go off topic to bring it up as if it makes Naruto look better. Despite me making this clear you still mention how the CM boosted him after i had also made clear that Sasuke was/is an extraordinary fighter without said boost. Again, i never denied the boost. My point is he was still great without it.
Sasuke has the edge in nearly everything against a non-Kyuubi amped Naruto. It was never stated nor shown that Uchiha required Taijutsu. Plus Sasuke only learned Shuriken and Fire Ball from his Father and Brother.
4) He can't completely suppress the Kyuubi.
5) The Kyuubi's chakra has been continuously leaking out little amounts since his birth. For example, if the facet is continuously leaking out a drop of water into an empty tub, overtime there's going to be a large amount of water in the tub.
"If anything Kurama was siphoning most of Naruto's chakra was used to keep Kurama at bay because it was his chakra that was keeping at bay, in the top left of the pg in chapter 299."
Headcanon. The seal completely suppress the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi had no way of taking Naruto's chakra until the seal was removed.
Defeated? He evaded or blocked every attack. The only one who damaged him was the Raikage at the cost of an arm in his strongest mode. Sasuke was worn down from his own power. Which is the only reason he needed to be saved (eye bleeding of Amaterasu, physical strain on a celluar level with Susano'o, and ofcourse it's chakra consumption). He wasn't defeated. No one beat him. Nor can recieving assistant be count as a loss given it was a team battle on both sides.
Naruto, in full health, directly stated that he needs the Kyuubi's power to fight Sasuke. As a result Shogun desperately tries to make it seem like Sasuke only took Itachi's eyes for a power boost against Naruto. As if his health wasn't a concern. Regardless of Naruto, he was going to gain EMS.
Sasuke failed in the mission he thought he had there, and needed to be rescued. His team was already scattered and Obito and Zetsu were backup, who got him out of there.
You are so in denial, even though at the same time you must realize that Sasuke had overestimated his powers and already feeling the strain.
You keep saying "health issue"- it's not exactly "health issue" which made Sasuke opt for EMS. That's like calling Naruto initially using wind rasengan and damaging his hand, a health issue only. Itachi had those "health issues" and more but fared better than him with MS alone. Madara must have had "health issues " till his brother died, but he was very much in the game.
Some Jutsu's and powers are not for spamming and need more control and practice. Itachi was 13 when he got his MS and was able to prolong his use of it by not overdoing it. Kakashi trained for it and used it wisely. But then there are augmentations like adding another pair of MS and gain EMS which resolve the issue faster and get you new sleek powers.
What made him so confident to think he could take on all the kage's at once when he and his team had trouble dealing with Killer B? Why not train himself properly before rushing here and there? Build up his stamina? He didn't have to since he could use Itachi's eyes instead.
Using Itachi's eye enabled Sasuke to spam it better. Obito knew it. Sasuke knew it. Reader knows it. Some fans just don't wish to acknowledge it.
Naruto has that power sealed inside him that's a strain by itself on his body. It got his parents dead and left without any family training time. He had to learn to access and control that amount of chakra. He instinctively knew Sasuke would go all out and Sasuke did just that. Not using Kyuubi's chakra would be damn stupid on his part. As stupid as Kisame not using Samehada's powers.
So what you're saying is that Yamato's statement isn't relevant to chapters that come much later? So you agree with me. Yamato's statement doesn't matter. When people think of Naruto's power, they aren't thinking about the scrub he was at the start of part 2 but the monster he was at the end of it all. Either Yamato's statement is relevant to the entire series or it stops backing your point once the chapters enter the 400/500's.
All I've gathered so far is Naruto inherited Kushina's strong chakra trait, and his chakra reserves come from Kurama's chakra. That means without Kurama chakra his reserves fall to around average.
1) Again, you still insist as if Sasuke never would have gotten EMS had it not been for Naruto which is illogical.
2) Itachi can't permanently give put power. The Amaterasu was literally stated to activate in accordance to Tobi. Sasuke didn't know how to use Susano'o right away either lol. Literally the only reason you don't claim Itachi gave Sasuke Susano'o is because there's are obviously completely different.
While looking for other dumb excuses you came up with another that counters your other dumb excuse. Your logic of Itachi must have given Amaterasu to him because he didn't know how it works would also apply to Susano'o given Sasuke didn't immediately know how to use it either otherwise he would have used it against Bee. What's next? You're going to act like he knew how to use it but it wouldn't have been useful in that battle? Lol.
And again, Genjutsu is an ability of the normal Sharingan so ofcourse Sasuke was able to use it with his Mangekyo.
3) You guys don't acknowledge how much the Kyuubi has helped him. Hence your constant denial of Naruto having alot of chakra because of the Kyuubi.
No one denied Sasuke has had external power sources. You're the one who decided go off topic to bring it up as if it makes Naruto look better. Despite me making this clear you still mention how the CM boosted him after i had also made clear that Sasuke was/is an extraordinary fighter without said boost. Again, i never denied the boost. My point is he was still great without it.
Sasuke has the edge in nearly everything against a non-Kyuubi amped Naruto. It was never stated nor shown that Uchiha required Taijutsu. Plus Sasuke only learned Shuriken and Fire Ball from his Father and Brother.
4) He can't completely suppress the Kyuubi.
5) The Kyuubi's chakra has been continuously leaking out little amounts since his birth. For example, if the facet is continuously leaking out a drop of water into an empty tub, overtime there's going to be a large amount of water in the tub.
"If anything Kurama was siphoning most of Naruto's chakra was used to keep Kurama at bay because it was his chakra that was keeping at bay, in the top left of the pg in chapter 299."
Headcanon. The seal completely suppress the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi had no way of taking Naruto's chakra until the seal was removed.
1. Sasuke literally said that it was because of Naruto after the cancellation of the Rasengan/Chidori exchange at the Kage Summit
2. You haven't proven this once and just going by headcanon. The only thing you showed a databook that showed how the amaterasu worked and Sasuke was not mentioned in if. I showed where Obito said that it was implanter in him and said it at least and just because the trap failed doesn't mean the amaterasu was still inside of him.
There's not even a single that proves your point because the manga proves mine if anything. Him having the Susanoo and Amaterasu. The one who's been making excuses is you.
He immeditaley know how to use the genjutsu on the guard when they were trying to find Killer Bee who also used it against before Hachibi broke Killer Bee out of it yet he didn't fully comprehend on how the amaterasu worked.
Sasuke's was different from Itachi's, which was point and you haven't proven once or shown even 1 manga scan that Sasuke awoken it on his own,
3. If anyone's in denial it's you. Kurama didn't Naruto in every sitution and Kakashi stated that Naruto's base chakra was 4x without Kurama and no it wasn't the Kyubii leakage like you and Salamander keep claiming because once again Yamato told Naruto not ro rely on Kurama in chapter 299, meaning it was his own chakra that and no it wasn't the Kyubii like you both claim either
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Once again Kakashi states that's base was 4x than his without Kurama
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Does Kurama get credit for learning Sage Mode when he tried to prevent him using it?
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You're saying Kurama gave Naruto the SOSP right?
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Did Kurama give Naruto his Uzumaki Bloodline?
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The databooks agree with me as well
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Last time I checked Naruto beat Sasuke without Kurama's help in the rooftop and before you mention number of hits, cancellation, injuries, and location
1. In the manga Sasuke only hit the Shadow Clones and anyone who thinks number of hits matter has never been in a fight in their entire life before
2. In response to cancellation Sasuke was juiced in his base form, which he admitted in chapter 219 and was frustrated when the cancellation happend in chapter 227 not to mention all the other 1s happened much later. Kakashi stated that the Rasengan could've killed Sasuke in chapter 176 where Sasuke was thinkg about not to mention he slammed his fist at the water wondering how far Naruto went.
3. Naruto had came back from a near death by Kabuto when Kurama was cut off, so I guess Kurama gets credit there as well and the chapter 168. The rooftop battle was chapter 175.
4. It was Sasuke who picked
Last time I checked Sasuke used 8.5 of the Bijuu Chakra, including Yang Kurama in that battle and before you mention the instant mastery and the portion Naruto had
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4. Once again Yamato disagrees with you as he literally said he was going ro completely supress Kurama, which is the mangasee translation and once again he told him to not rely on Kurama, so if anything you're calling Yamato a liar.
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5. No it didn't and I already debunked the scans in chapters 519 and 490
This is what they were talking about in chapter 490
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This is what they were talking about in chapter 519
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This is when the Kyubii syncs with body according to Kurama
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Edit: You overhype Sasuke
Edit: Yamato literally said that he was completely sealing Kurama, which you ignore
All I've gathered so far is Naruto inherited Kushina's strong chakra trait, and his chakra reserves come from Kurama's chakra. That means without Kurama chakra his reserves fall to around average.
