Konoha Tavern - RP General Chat Discussion

[Troi 🥈]

Well, It was put in place as an option to contend with SM, Y/Y, and Utu and Suen when they were being introduced. I don't know about much else since it was decided by the RP team at the time. AJ might know more than me at this point since he was around then more than I was

You can compete with SM with a lot of things so that's strange. I get pre-nerf Yin and Yang though.

Utu and Suen never even made it past dev stage lmao.

 

[Lucidus 👑]

You can compete with SM with a lot of things so that's strange. I get pre-nerf Yin and Yang though.

Utu and Suen never even made it past dev stage lmao.

SM with Mastery is harder to contend with. But the caveat was obviously that it needs appropriate progress in the Mastery.

Utu and Suen did make it past I believe, I vaguely remember LoK winning Suen from one of the Rifts at the time. But my memory is hazy here.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

Pretty sure isn't the damage stacking exclusive to sakura or prizes? Like just because you have CES doesn't mean you can add more than 2 boosts.

Sarada had ces but no damage stacking

If the damage stacking isn’t included but just the CES technique itself, than that should be stated. I think folks are under the impression Addison CES gives the damage stacking. I’m not sure which was intended.

I’d it’s just the tech itself, it’s not worth being an ability that could be added to a bio under the vessel system. It’s kinda underwhelming tbh when compared to like FTG which gives teleportation but I digress.

AF was made with the intent to combat stuff like Utu annd Suen, contend with other field like SM/YY (can’t remember what it was weak to. I think YY), and also injure divinity which couldn’t be hurt otherwise. 120 base damage at Grandmaster was warranted because of the tier of the ability. It wasn’t something you could just buy either.

 

[Zatanna]

You can compete with SM with a lot of things so that's strange. I get pre-nerf Yin and Yang though.

Utu and Suen never even made it past dev stage lmao.

They had techniques and everything made, it was all set out. Problem was no one got given permission or a mission because instead being bought it was kept as 'permission only'.

I kinda wish Utu and Suen came back, even removing the superiority to YY or something, just because its nice to have an end game option different to YY

 

[Lucidus 👑]

If the damage stacking isn’t included but just the CES technique itself, than that should be stated. I think folks are under the impression Addison CES gives the damage stacking. I’m not sure which was intended.

I’d it’s just the tech itself, it’s not worth being an ability that could be added to a bio under the vessel system. It’s kinda underwhelming tbh when compared to like FTG which gives teleportation but I digress.

AF was made with the intent to combat stuff like Utu annd Suen, contend with other field like SM/YY (can’t remember what it was weak to. I think YY), and also injure divinity which couldn’t be hurt otherwise. 120 base damage at Grandmaster was warranted because of the tier of the ability. It wasn’t something you could just buy either.

@Troi I knew AJ would have a more indepth description, this is accurate and was the intention.

They had techniques and everything made, it was all set out. Problem was no one got given permission or a mission because instead being bought it was kept as 'permission only'.

I kinda wish Utu and Suen came back, even removing the superiority to YY or something, just because its nice to have an end game option different to YY

Well, its a bit late for this now after what happened.

I see Yin and Yang as supporting factors to lower tiered abilities. So really, any skill can become endgame with the addition of these. The same can probably be said for SM and Senjutsu.

 

[Troi 🥈]

SM with Mastery is harder to contend with. But the caveat was obviously that it needs appropriate progress in the Mastery.

Utu and Suen did make it past I believe, I vaguely remember LoK winning Suen from one of the Rifts at the time. But my memory is hazy here.

Okay so boom. Didn't make it past testing stage. Fixed it.

They had techniques and everything made, it was all set out. Problem was no one got given permission or a mission because instead being bought it was kept as 'permission only'.

I kinda wish Utu and Suen came back, even removing the superiority to YY or something, just because its nice to have an end game option different to YY

Yeah. One thing I was interested in was Sulpae and shit but I guess not anymore lol.

 

[Troi 🥈]

@Troi I knew AJ would have a more indepth description, this is accurate and was the intention.



Well, its a bit late for this now after what happened.

I see Yin and Yang as supporting factors to lower tiered abilities. So really, any skill can become endgame with the addition of these. The same can probably be said for SM and Senjutsu.

Absolutely agreed. I think SM, Yin and Yang are more good supports rather than just all out busting abilities. And even though Yin and Yang have their respective broke states (as they should as it is an endgame ability), if someone survives them, and they can, the person using them is HEAVILY fatigued. To the point where they'll probably get beat off lack of power output alone.

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

I think people should have just got their weight up. But alas it’s already been a minute since the changes so we ball.

I do feel folks gonna find something else to complain about though.

 

[Troi 🥈]

I think people should have just got their weight up. But alas it’s already been a minutes since the changes so we ball.

I do feel folks gonna find something to lose to complain about though.

Only one person.

I'm here for the vibes. Its a fun game regardless. I don't really care anymore about superficial shit. In any other game stuff gets taken out, balanced/nerf and buffed all the time. Why should this game be any different?

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

It’s hard to truly balance the game when you have stuff like Izanami/Izanagi that can only really be countered by another with the same ability and auto-win a battle.

 

[Troi 🥈]

Here you go complaining about the same shit you said people shouldn't be complaining about...

Pick a side mf...

 

[Mirai]

It’s hard to truly balance the game when you have stuff like Izanami/Izanagi that can only really be countered by another with the same ability and auto-win a battle.

Tbh those moves are...strong yes but are still limited in their own right. Izanami, you got three turns to kill someone before they trigger it fully; and if you cant do that- well that sounds more like a skill issue than anything.

Izanagi use is a gamble because sure we can bring ourselves back from death or something else; but it comes with the cost of going blind; meaning you lose access to one half of your MS abilities and usage of Susanoo. Of the two, it has the least counterplay but it still really isnt as wild. Strong but beatable; with the user suffering consequences if they cant captialize on it efficiently.

 

[Troi 🥈]

Tbh those moves are...strong yes but are still limited in their own right. Izanami, you got three turns to kill someone before they trigger it fully; and if you cant do that- well that sounds more like a skill issue than anything.

Izanagi use is a gamble because sure we can bring ourselves back from death or something else; but it comes with the cost of going blind; meaning you lose access to one half of your MS abilities and usage of Susanoo. Of the two, it has the least counterplay but it still really isnt as wild. Strong but beatable; with the user suffering consequences if they cant captialize on it efficiently.

I just knew yo ass was coming...

 

[Mirai]

I just knew yo ass was coming...

Im an Uchiha...so naturally.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

It’s hard to truly balance the game when you have stuff like Izanami/Izanagi that can only really be countered by another with the same ability and auto-win a battle.

 

[Troi 🥈]

Im an Uchiha...so naturally.

I miss the old Uzumaki Mirai...

 

[Ańbu Juniør]

Here you go complaining about the same shit you said people shouldn't be complaining about...

Pick a side mf...

Not complaining. Addressing the issue of balancing and why it won’t ever be equal. I’m ballin either way.

If I can’t counter an ability I just hold the L and tell my opponent they can’t actually beat me without rewriting reality

 

[Mirai]

I miss the old Uzumaki Mirai...

Mirabelle is still here ; she just shares the spotlight now

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Tbh a lot of doujutsu techs are pretty strong and close to (or rivaling) Y/Y strength. Most should be this strong but some techs from each doujutsu should probably be edited. I dont mean the 3T sharingan or byakugan but the higher tier ones.

To go further, most skills from Tier 4 and higher could be scaled differently. Bijuu probably shouldn't be as strong, the 7AU swords might do too much, and some of the characters in those tiers should definitely be edited.

I say this to say editing techs require scaling and appropriate terms to fields meant to be equivalent. If MS gets nerfed, so does Tendogan as its equivalent. So does characters with those skills and then other characters meant to rival them. Changing numbers is easier sinxe it just scales down but significant changes require more balancing across the field. I do think a lot of fields may need it but I dont think many of you will like the domino effects that follow behind it

 

[Troi 🥈]

Not complaining. Addressing the issue of balancing and why it won’t ever be equal. I’m ballin either way.

If I can’t counter an ability I just hold the L and tell my opponent they can’t actually beat me without rewriting reality

That's valid.

Mirabelle is still here ; she just shares the spotlight now

Nah nah nah I don't wanna hear it... You turned... Into one of THEM.

Tbh a lot of doujutsu techs are pretty strong and close to (or rivaling) Y/Y strength. Most should be this strong but some techs from each doujutsu should probably be edited. I dont mean the 3T sharingan or byakugan but the higher tier ones.

To go further, most skills from Tier 4 and higher could be scaled differently. Bijuu probably shouldn't be as strong, the 7AU swords might do too much, and some of the characters in those tiers should definitely be edited.

I say this to say editing techs require scaling and appropriate terms to fields meant to be equivalent. If MS gets nerfed, so does Tendogan as its equivalent. So does characters with those skills and then other characters meant to rival them. Changing numbers is easier sinxe it just scales down but significant changes require more balancing across the field. I do think a lot of fields may need it but I dont think many of you will like the domino effects that follow behind it

1: No one who actively RPs even has a 7AU.

2: Nerf Bijuu and I want a swift, certified refund. I didn't spend like 17k to get cucked. That already happened with Tenseigan. Can't allow it again.