Konoha Tavern - RP General Chat Discussion

[Lucidus]

Lol, I'd definitely say hold off on making a new bio right now. Even if things don't get fully reset, parts of templates or rules may change that would make you have to resub it anyway.

Edit: If Canon characters were removed, how would you guys feel? If, for example, Hashirama were removed but the ability to gain Wood Release or Wood Sage Mode were still possible ( just without the passive buffs he had ), would you be okay with that? If not, why not?

I have mixed feelings about Canon characters, I have never liked them, I have always thought the RP should all be with original characters. I know a lot of people however would be unhappy with their removal.

I like the idea of being able to gain canon char abilities with a custom bio. The entire reason a lot of people went for certain bios were the sheer amount of stat benefits among other things, but you could instead remove those benefits and make those benefits into specialities instead which could also be applied to custom bios..

Most people tend to skin there Canon characters anyways so I don't see the issue personally if they do get removed. Providing the people who earned top tier canon bios don't lose anything and instead their bio just becomes a custom one.

Jins are also a massive reason why people love Canon chars but again you can just apply the Bijuus power and abilities to a custom bio instead from my point of view

 

[Never]

I think allowing customs characters to have these abilities is the way to go. Limiting a custom characters potential was a bit myeh, it did feel like sometimes you had to swap your original character you put work in for a canon one to actually make progression in the RP - moving onto an otsuksuki or jinchuuriki for example. If a player wants to RP a canon character from the Naruto universe you should just "skin" your built bio to be like said character.

 

[Zatanna]

the issue with canon character restrictions was, they were limited by the source material. eg someone like Zabuza that had only a few eps of screen time to say Konan who had more episodes but actually was developed more in the series, compared to Madara who was an end game baddie, compared to Naruto which is the series protagonist.

Like of course if you make canon characters and have nothing to work with, they're weaker than the main character. Like how fair is it, if your favourite character is someone like Zabuza, but all you got is a shitty A ranked sword that barely does anything, then the basic elements. You cant add any other abilities because he's a 'canon character' compared to Hashirama or Madara, you always lose.
Honestly, Id say remove canon characters as a concept and have the abilities. If people want to make those canon characters still, they can, but there is no real restrictions on it. The game was meant to be an alternate timeline or alternate universe anyway, so restriction a character because they didnt have more source material seems silly.

That, and remove the idea of only one person per character. Like, I get in the universe itself was the idea of only one jinchuuriki, but then we learnt, actually minato split it in two, with a yin and yang. then we had multiple people running around with six path sasuke bios or multiple EMS madara but only one jin? it seemed a bit arbitrary.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Lol, I'd definitely say hold off on making a new bio right now. Even if things don't get fully reset, parts of templates or rules may change that would make you have to resub it anyway.

Edit: If Canon characters were removed, how would you guys feel? If, for example, Hashirama were removed but the ability to gain Wood Release or Wood Sage Mode were still possible ( just without the passive buffs he had ), would you be okay with that? If not, why not?

I've read through the thread and suggestions to this point so will start with this.

I'm more than fine with cannon bios being removed in place with opening up the abilities as, to a point, cannon characters have limited creativity. Like you say, people wanting wood sage mode. We saw people wanting FTG as a prize from tournaments without having to be Minato for example.

With a restart and change over like this, what would you suggest about the people who earned those bios previously? Through tests or other means. For example, anyone who did the 20-30 missions to unlock a jin's power? Or say Skorms Hiruko? Would you aim for a hard reset removing everything from everyone? Or aim for a smaller reset. Customs, ability load outs, the ninja world etc. Leaving stuff in peoples inventories, but scaling stuff back?

Like you said before, the technology stuff didn't work out how you'd wanted. But what about, for example, custom clans? I know there are quite a few surge binders still around for example.

Would you move all the current systems as they are to a legacy format in one RP side. Then start a new sub forum for AB RP 2.0. Where it's a reset of everything with everything refined?

Personal ideas:

Spoiler

The abilities like Dokkodo and Technology etc get the [Legacy] tag at the front of them in the rules. Same with the old customs thread etc. Anything with a [Legacy] tag can only be used in the BA or potentially a [Legacy] event.

From there, the new RP reformat the bio template/builds. The rules from cannon bios are then set into a tier system as they are now to be either unlocked or purchased. Abilities being purchasable was a great addition IMO. It meant someone who wasn't the most battle savey, could always attain a skill or they bio they loved for the narrative side.

I think, reduce every damage buff in the game to a max of +20. Same with max damage reduction of 20.

I think a max of 2 buffs + AP buffs is still a good system.

Maybe introduce, for Mind AP, a choice of empowering one skill or element. Like making that one element you specialise in neutral. Leaning into the class fantasy side.

The damage system should then become number related. A rank (60) - B rank (40) = 20 damage going through.

Drop the current story in the ninja world. Gods and world changing events meant players had to then scale themselves up to that level of power. The power creep meant to do harder content you needed just the highest tier of bios to partake. I get some abilities will always be stronger than others (phasing, shinra tensei etc). Scaling it back, keep the same map (there is nothing wrong with the map), only use one nation to start. Build from there. Work on the levels that rifts had too.

I think custom elements could all be made cannon, one at a time, like you'd done with Greek fire for example. It wouldn't be game changing, it's still just and element with strengths and weaknesses.

I think the fight system works with the time frame and speed in place. Changing the system adding more caveats to make it way too complicated for any new player. I think sensei should be kept. Catch up mechanics for new players in place as they do the orientation etc.

If a reset is done, have old abilities traded in for tokens. Can use these tokens to create a new bio and gain some abilities. I can't remember what this was called, but when the kumi system came in and people could sell old abilities for kumi. Do something like this. But if you're done this, lock off tier 5/6. Remove YY while it's rethought of. Introduce this stuff in later patches.

Rulings need to be kept track of. I tried this before, but it's a continuity thing.

I'm sure there was something else I thought of but this is it for now. Tweaking current systems I think is what the game needs. Not overhauling them like some people are suggesting. There is a strong base in the RP and that's why it lasted so long

 

[Troi]

the issue with canon character restrictions was, they were limited by the source material. eg someone like Zabuza that had only a few eps of screen time to say Konan who had more episodes but actually was developed more in the series, compared to Madara who was an end game baddie, compared to Naruto which is the series protagonist.

Like of course if you make canon characters and have nothing to work with, they're weaker than the main character. Like how fair is it, if your favourite character is someone like Zabuza, but all you got is a shitty A ranked sword that barely does anything, then the basic elements. You cant add any other abilities because he's a 'canon character' compared to Hashirama or Madara, you always lose.
Honestly, Id say remove canon characters as a concept and have the abilities. If people want to make those canon characters still, they can, but there is no real restrictions on it. The game was meant to be an alternate timeline or alternate universe anyway, so restriction a character because they didnt have more source material seems silly.

That, and remove the idea of only one person per character. Like, I get in the universe itself was the idea of only one jinchuuriki, but then we learnt, actually minato split it in two, with a yin and yang. then we had multiple people running around with six path sasuke bios or multiple EMS madara but only one jin? it seemed a bit arbitrary.

Nailed it.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Going to reply to ongoing conversations in the other threads later today. Was going through old threads and subforums and saw this old NW map from the previous era and wanted to share it with you guys and see how many remembered it.

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[The Big Boss]

I haven’t seen this map. -1

 

[Sinthorus]

Going to reply to ongoing conversations in the other threads later today. Was going through old threads and subforums and saw this old NW map from the previous era and wanted to share it with you guys and see how many remembered it.

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Well damn. This does bring back memories. This is the old old nw map. Think I was in konoha or Akatsuki at the time. Xylon was Hokage and Zen was Diamyo. I think Mugi was Raikage? Been a while ngl.

 

[Never]

Those big ass Suna landmarks that people happened to stumble across each other in, classic

 

[Lucidus]

Going to reply to ongoing conversations in the other threads later today. Was going through old threads and subforums and saw this old NW map from the previous era and wanted to share it with you guys and see how many remembered it.

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I remember this map, it was fun, this definitely brings back some memories xD

 

[Never]

I remember this map, it was fun, this definitely brings back some memories xD

The Backpack Arc

 

[Skorm]

Going to reply to ongoing conversations in the other threads later today. Was going through old threads and subforums and saw this old NW map from the previous era and wanted to share it with you guys and see how many remembered it.

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One does not simply forget moon and crimson state island.

 

[Lucidus]

The Backpack Arc

Lets not.

That arc can forever be kept in the depths of your basement.

 

[Detective L]

Lets not.

That arc can forever be kept in the depths of your basement.

It's your name, forever.

 

[Lucidus]

It's your name, forever.

 

[Tsuki]

How can I forget this map?

 

[Skorm]

But Dainashi will also never be forgotten.

 

[Never]

Lets not.

That arc can forever be kept in the depths of your basement.

Apologies

 

[Lucidus]

Apologies

You better be! Don't you go digging up that past!

 

[Never]

You better be! Don't you go digging up that past!

Uwu kiss and make up?