Konoha didn't kill the Uchiha, Hiruzen's administration did.

[Prince Badman]

Let me pick this apart for you.

The segregation occurred twice. Tobirama force the entire clan to move near the prison, despite not all of them even being Police Officers. This was meant to keep Uchiha's domesticated and watched. The Nine-Tails had the Sharingan in it's eyes for a about a few seconds before it disappeared, so you're still wrong. Why was Minato liked more than Fugaku, exactly what did Fugaku lack? He lacked Senju blood and connections.

The Izanagi feud is true, the MS situation is incredibly lacking in credibility considering Obito and Madara didn't have any conversations about how Madara got the MS and we don't know when Black Zetsu started paying attention to Madara specifically. Itachi either made up the story or was fed nonsense by Obito.

Fugaku does not canonically have the MS. The plan was to use KA on the entire clan during a meeting, but this plan was foiled so Danzo could have Sharingan eyes for himself. The solution to the problem was not outing the clan as traitors, because this would easily come full circle if the clan were to expose the Leaf's government for discrimination. The Hidden Leaf being the authorities doesn't then deem them morally correct.

The Uchiha's eyes can read and show memories, the Uchiha could have easily proven their innocence while at the same time, stopping the Leaf from knowing any clan secrets.

Pain explained to Naruto why he was taking revenge, and Ohnoki talks about the wars fought by the major villages. Out of mere selfishness and greed the nations fight time and time again, and according to Nagato, the Leaf sparked a Great Ninja War which isn't unbelievable considering it's exponential growth and need to sustain said growth. The Great Ninja Villages are not people who can judge in the slightest, they'll kill anyone and ruin anyone's life for CASH. Real life countries at least act out of their interests but don't take mercenary jobs for the sake of money.

Sasuke is a psychologically damaged child who was forced to watch his parents die over 200,000 times.

Obito lost the only person he was actually close to and fought in a war, he saw her impaled and watched her body be drenched in blood and felt her cold and limp body in his hands. You don't come out of this shit the same person.

Madara fought in war his whole life and lost family member after family member, and watched his brother bleed out and die.

Itachi went to a battle field and saw corpses and was brainwashed by his village into subservience.

None of these Uchiha's are indicative of true Uchiha nature. This is what happens when you mix psychological damage and the power of the Sharingan.

Tobirama's reputation of being paranoid with Uchiha preceded his actions...he was tactical, cold and calculating for sure but not an oppressor....The first movement could have been a tactical move if Madara had not previously attacked Konoha.....for a man who created the Academy, ANBU, Chunin exams do you honestly think his actions were guided by pure hypocrisy? A bit of paranoia perhaps but he also acknowledged some Uchiha who were his genuine subordinates....Tobirama being the 2nd Hokage and not Madara was guided by the sole fact that Tobirama was liked better by the general populace.....Minato was a clanless orphan who proved himself through his actions...Fugaku although accomplished didn't have the favour of populace...Itachi's words to Naruto were "You are chosen the hokage because you are respected not the other way around." applied to the case of Fugaku and Minato as well.

Maybe it was all bull created by Itachi or Obito but as i said given the nature it is rather believable than not.

You reap what you sow.....We only saw Uchiha's side of story that they were discriminated......yet Itachi and Shisui both condemned the coup...what does it say.....there was definitely some exaggeration and their pride affecting their perception of things...in any society some always feel discriminated...but we have to take into account it was a bloody dictatorship and not a democracy. See the history of any country led by a military dictator and you will realize that Uchiha were not that badly treated as they made it out to be...also think on it that Uchiha survived as a clan while Senju were wiped out...only know senju is Tsunade...why was that?

That is not known...Itachi used Mangekyu to show the illusion of memories...who can certify if those are true or not.....do you honestly yhink Uchiha would have submitted to such interrogation when they were readying up for a bloody coup....be realistic.

Ninja villages job was to act as mercenaries....what do you think ninjas did..they killed....And tell me the crisis with ISIS terrorist group how do you think it came to pass....wasn't it two opposing countries trying to further their profits ultimately resulting in their pet peeve becoming a menace???

i accept the fact that Sasuke was f***ed up....he was mentally unstable...but then again his own brother did that didn't he?

As i have said Obito was obsessed...it was not normal...and in the end it turned out to be false..the instigator Uchiha Madara, an uchia with a god complex....
Obito was what 12-13 during the war....his obsessive crush led him to attacking a pregnant women, threatening a new born child, the child of his sensei who actually treated him quite well, killing thousands of people on a whim......I don't know the exact name of the mental condition he suffered from but...you are correct on the not he didn't get away from that shit...

So did Hashirama...well he got lucky as Tobirama didn't die....but he was willing to kill himself to satisfy Madara and bring peace.....Madara simply went nuts.....as i said Uchiha were psychotic especially the ones who awakened the MS...Tobirama did explain Uchiha's curse....related to madness and darkness....

Really brainwashed???? One of the most intellectual person who put his pride away..realised the potential bloodshed that could occur.......

 

[whiteboy2345]

Tobirama's actions were wrong and he only favored Uchiha's who towed the line. Just because you put your own flesh and blood first doesn't make you less intellectual or less of a Hokage candidate. Fugaku was disregarded because of his bloodline and this is undeniable. Just because one Uchiha doesn't put Konoha first, doesn't make them less of a genuine subordinate. Tobirama wanted to make sure every clan was under his nationalistic spell and he knew it wouldn't work on the Uchiha.

Given what nature? I just explained to you your four different character's that you mentioned, who are so psychologically damaged that claiming they're cursed is just a cop out.

You reap what you sow? The Hidden Leaf sowed hatred and mistrust and it brought the same back on them from the Uchiha clan, using the reap what you sow argument is actually hypocritical because you don't believe the Hidden Leaf should be held accountable for genocide. The Uchiha planned a coup, and therefore they deserve to watch their children be butchered? Okay, so basically Sasuke is justified, he could easily say "You reap what you sow" as he hacks a three year old to death.

The Uchiha were the only clan to survive between themselves and the Senju because they're the only clan in the village besides the Hyuga with a Kekkei Genkai and secrets to protect. This is not indicative of the Uchiha being stubborn or insubordinate.

Obito was obsessed, this was a girl his age who he was in love with that cared about him and believed in him unlike anyone else. And he watched her be impaled, the blood fly out of her chest and watched a hole be carved through her body. He saw her just drop dead without anyone catching her body and held it while she was drenched in blood. Obito is not psychologically the same after this.

Madara didn't go nuts. He believed that he deserved to become Hokage because the Great Nations were going the wrong way, and he was right. He even predicted the Hidden Leaf driving the Uchiha into genocide, and it happened. He wasn't even phased by it when speaking to Sasuke about them being the only Uchiha's. It was nothing to him because he knew the system was a failure and would swallow all who were weak or refused to bow down.

Itachi was not intellectual, please don't even start. Itachi puts the Uchiha down for their ethnocentric behavior, but is completely okay with the tactics the Hidden Leaf is using against his clan that is causing them to be more ethnocentric. He believes the Uchiha are short sighted, while the Hidden Leaf see's the bigger picture even though the Hidden Leaf is in the moral wrong. He and Shisui were looking at the whole situation at face value and didn't read in between the lines and it cost them everything. They saw it as the clan being power hungry when in reality it was decades of mistreatment and manipulation from the Hidden Leaf which was causing the coup. Putting the village first isn't morally correct. Numbers don't determine who get's to live or who bites the dust. It wasn't just about pride, the Uchiha felt threatened, used, and unsafe. The Hidden Leaf elders just wanted to protect their positions of power.

The only intellectuals in the clan were Obito and Madara, the rest were just battle smart.

 

[Exaar]

The only intellectuals in the clan were Obito

 

[whiteboy2345]

Yes. His comprehension of the world is on the same level of Madara's, excluding when he'd repeat Madara's words. Although he didn't take time to give deep speeches, his little excerpts show that he's not a slouch mentally.

 

[Exaar]

Yes. His comprehension of the world is on the same level of Madara's, excluding when he'd repeat Madara's words. Although he didn't take time to give deep speeches, his little excerpts show that he's not a slouch mentally.

Oh please.
He was the way he was because kakashi killed his little teenage love interest, Then instead of questioning it or trying to find out the truth behind it, he blindly followed Madara's world view, Attacking friends and family, Never questioning the events that lead up to it, Just gave into the hatred due to that one event.

Trying to say obito is an intellectual and saying itachi wasn't is laughable.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Oh please.
He was the way he was because kakashi killed his little teenage love interest, Then instead of questioning it or trying to find out the truth behind it, he blindly followed Madara's world view, Attacking friends and family, Never questioning the events that lead up to it, Just gave into the hatred due to that one event.

Trying to say obito is an intellectual and saying itachi wasn't is laughable.

Figuring out an elaborate plan and being intellectual are two different things. Intellectual people avoid bias, Itachi was incapable of avoiding bias.


Madara's world view wasn't false, and Obito understood that the shinobi world and the entire world at large would never have true peace. Itachi thought that killing a clan to preserve a mercenary state was a thing for the greater good.

Seeing your teenage love interest be impaled through the heart by the very hand of the person you trusted her life with is quite scarring, especially when she was your only friend and loved one. He saw her body just drop and he held her body in his arms while she was covered in blood. He massacred an entire army of ANBU and you think he's just upset over a little "crush" death? People underestimate the psychological damage character's have in this show.

 

[Exaar]

Figuring out an elaborate plan and being intellectual are two different things. Intellectual people avoid bias, Itachi was incapable of avoiding bias.

What?.
How was itachi bias?.

He created a plan which included sasuke to try to keep the uchiha name a proud and honorable clan to the people of konoha, he didn't want them to go down as traitors. If he was biased against his own clan he wouldn't of gone through the effort of keeping the uchiha name honorable.

What of obito, He wasn't bias? lmao

Madara's world view wasn't false, and Obito understood that the shinobi world and the entire world at large would never have true peace. Itachi thought that killing a clan to preserve a mercenary state was a thing for the greater good.

I didn't say madara's view was wrong, Obito was manipulated to come around to madara's point of view. He witnessed one person he care about die and instantly turned on everything he stood for before he met madara and everyone he cared for without even questioning it.

Itachi's killing his clan was for the greater good, Kill a single clan, Or cause civil war where much much more people will die and potentially start a world war where countless more will die.

Seeing your teenage love interest be impaled through the heart by the very hand of the person you trusted her life with is quite scarring,

Oh please.

Kakashi was the one that did the stabbing, He was left with the guilt of killing her, Losing two close friends, Losing his father and his sensei in a very short period of time.

obito was a trained shinobi, Should've learn't to wear his big boy pants.

He massacred an entire army of ANBU and you think he's just upset over a little "crush" death? People underestimate the psychological damage character's have in this show.

Errm yes?.

That was really the only "psychological" thing that happened to him, The death of his silly teenage crush pushed him over the edge.

I guess you could count being magically surviving being crushed to death and a psychological thing but it didn't effect him anywhere near as much as rin dying.

 

[New Dawn]

Hiruzen is frail old trash. Thats why. **** that piece of shit

 

[Amenotejikara]

Agree but your examples were poor. cannot compare watergate to a genocide nor a country to a village.

 

[Prince Badman]

Tobirama's actions were wrong and he only favored Uchiha's who towed the line. Just because you put your own flesh and blood first doesn't make you less intellectual or less of a Hokage candidate. Fugaku was disregarded because of his bloodline and this is undeniable. Just because one Uchiha doesn't put Konoha first, doesn't make them less of a genuine subordinate. Tobirama wanted to make sure every clan was under his nationalistic spell and he knew it wouldn't work on the Uchiha.

Given what nature? I just explained to you your four different character's that you mentioned, who are so psychologically damaged that claiming they're cursed is just a cop out.

You reap what you sow? The Hidden Leaf sowed hatred and mistrust and it brought the same back on them from the Uchiha clan, using the reap what you sow argument is actually hypocritical because you don't believe the Hidden Leaf should be held accountable for genocide. The Uchiha planned a coup, and therefore they deserve to watch their children be butchered? Okay, so basically Sasuke is justified, he could easily say "You reap what you sow" as he hacks a three year old to death.

The Uchiha were the only clan to survive between themselves and the Senju because they're the only clan in the village besides the Hyuga with a Kekkei Genkai and secrets to protect. This is not indicative of the Uchiha being stubborn or insubordinate.

Obito was obsessed, this was a girl his age who he was in love with that cared about him and believed in him unlike anyone else. And he watched her be impaled, the blood fly out of her chest and watched a hole be carved through her body. He saw her just drop dead without anyone catching her body and held it while she was drenched in blood. Obito is not psychologically the same after this.

Madara didn't go nuts. He believed that he deserved to become Hokage because the Great Nations were going the wrong way, and he was right. He even predicted the Hidden Leaf driving the Uchiha into genocide, and it happened. He wasn't even phased by it when speaking to Sasuke about them being the only Uchiha's. It was nothing to him because he knew the system was a failure and would swallow all who were weak or refused to bow down.

Itachi was not intellectual, please don't even start. Itachi puts the Uchiha down for their ethnocentric behavior, but is completely okay with the tactics the Hidden Leaf is using against his clan that is causing them to be more ethnocentric. He believes the Uchiha are short sighted, while the Hidden Leaf see's the bigger picture even though the Hidden Leaf is in the moral wrong. He and Shisui were looking at the whole situation at face value and didn't read in between the lines and it cost them everything. They saw it as the clan being power hungry when in reality it was decades of mistreatment and manipulation from the Hidden Leaf which was causing the coup. Putting the village first isn't morally correct. Numbers don't determine who get's to live or who bites the dust. It wasn't just about pride, the Uchiha felt threatened, used, and unsafe. The Hidden Leaf elders just wanted to protect their positions of power.

The only intellectuals in the clan were Obito and Madara, the rest were just battle smart.

Again as I said Tobirama wasn't cruel, just paranoid and a bit cold...he in a way was same as Madara was towards others only his mistrust was towards Uchiha....you are confusing Tobirama to be same as Danzo which he wasn't...

Yes....being a Hokage has always been a village first priority....that was the thought which hindered Fugaku from becoming the hokage...Minato did make his own son a jinchuriki knowing the hardships he would face in future for the sake of bloody village so Minato >> Fugaku

Listen to what Tobirama explains to Sasuke and you will see what I am talking about.

Excuse me...i don't condone killing of innocents but what do you actually expect in a coup....to be peacefull.....open your eyes to reality....shift of power is always violent especially when it is a dictatorship.....And Sasuke did want to destroy Konoha...to stop it from happening, without Sasuke's death, Itachi gave Shisui's sharingan to NAruto.

Obito chose to believe in a stranger over his team and friends....he didn't even listen to Kakashi's side and went on a rampage...hell he even accepted that it wasn't Kakashi's fault and then went on the tangent 'This world is not real'....he wasn't an intellectual, he was a child, an immature person throwing a tantrum...
As for Madara..it is same as someone proclaiming the world is not his oyster and then becoming a terrorist because he did not get his way....so let's make the world fall into an illusion where everyone is a mindless drone.....yippee what an intellectual .

The village took priority over other things because people like Tobirama, Itachi, Shisui and Minato understood the fact that if they didn't do what was required the things will go back to the days of clan wars and unity will be destroyed.

 

[Last Airbender]

Nothing much to discuss Konoha's citizens had a dislike for the Uchiha being the police and all.

lol gtfo here.

Uchihas were celebrities in the village.

Sasuke/Itachi/Mikoto interactions show that no one disliked them.

Show me a single page of Uchiha facing prejudice by a villager.

 

[salamander uchiha]

lol gtfo here.

Uchihas were celebrities in the village.

Sasuke/Itachi/Mikoto interactions show that no one disliked them.

Show me a single page of Uchiha facing prejudice by a villager.

Get the **** our of here celebrities how about you go to Orochimaru's conversation with the Kage.

Nobody disputes they were hated and disliked not even Hiruzen when Orochimaru brings it up.

Ps. That doesn't mean everybody hated them.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Uchiha will take hiruzen and cr ush his neck with hand.

OT: Uchihas are hawt. They're intelligent. They're the best ever. Hiruzen was at fault. To seperate them from the village.

 

[Chikombo]

People who complain are hypocrites anyway, they woudnt live without what Itachi defended.

 

[whiteboy2345]

lol gtfo here.

Uchihas were celebrities in the village.

Sasuke/Itachi/Mikoto interactions show that no one disliked them.

Show me a single page of Uchiha facing prejudice by a villager.

Sasuke was not a celebrity. He was handsome, talented, and had a very prestigious family at his back and this earned him the position of heart-throb within the academy. Sasuke during the Chunin exams was merely an exhibit for other clients and village leaders to look at for the sake of figuring out which village had the most worthy shinobi for mercenary jobs.

Neither of these indicate celebrity-hood within the village. Envy, respect? Yes. Love? No.

 

[whiteboy2345]

People who complain are hypocrites anyway, they woudnt live without what Itachi defended.

They had no choice in the matter. Shutting people down by saying "You might be dead if it weren't for Itachi" is just dishonest, considering if other people had been in the situation, they wouldn't have sat there and watched as the whole thing escalated.

 

[Last Airbender]

Sasuke was not a celebrity. He was handsome, talented, and had a very prestigious family at his back and this earned him the position of heart-throb within the academy.

All the description of a celebrity.

As for talent Sasuke was talented with Sharingan, but only he had an army of fangirls and special concession was made for him in many situations.

Neji was talented with Byakugan, no celebrity status.
Lee was talented with taijutsu, no celebrity status.

Love? No.

the position of heart-throb within the academy.

You contradict yourself.

 

[Draepzine]

All the description of a celebrity.

As for talent Sasuke was talented with Sharingan, but only he had an army of fangirls and special concession was made for him in many situations.

Neji was talented with Byakugan, no celebrity status.
Lee was talented with taijutsu, no celebrity status.





You contradict yourself.

Girls liking him doesn't mean villagers liking him. Most people who knew about the past of uchiha hated him and shows it sometimes.

 

[Last Airbender]

Girls liking him doesn't mean villagers liking him. Most people who knew about the past of uchiha hated him and shows it sometimes.

Examples?

Naruto was hated by the villagers.

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[Draepzine]

Examples?

Naruto was hated by the villagers.

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Everyone knew Sasuke was itachis brother.