Konan vs Sakura

[Beans2]

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"I wasn't just sitting idly by your side all that time"

She's been plotting on him for years. She was on Obito's side but clearly never fully trusted him otherwise she wouldn't be researching how to defeat him. So the prep was far longer than 2 weeks and even if it was the point I was trying to make really doesn't change.

You think Nagato knew about this?

 

[Reraru]

Konan imo.

 

[KidGamer65]

You think Nagato knew about this?

Probably. I doubt he fully trusted Obito either.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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"I wasn't just sitting idly by your side all that time"

She's been plotting on him for years. She was on Obito's side but clearly never fully trusted him otherwise she wouldn't be researching how to defeat him. So the prep was far longer than 2 weeks and even if it was the point I was trying to make really doesn't change.

10 years of prep doesn't change her having to manually split the lake in half explode them herself. All it ment is that she had more paper on hand. -_-

There's 0 proof that her control diminishes at range, and by scattering herself at the onset of battle (something she did to cover the entirety of amegakure) she can partially reform anywhere she pleases thus creating the distance.

Using jutsu like paper shuriken and what ton is useless. That much is true. But her most effective attack is simply swarming her opponent with paper bombs and blowing them up. and when dispersed over such a huge range sakura cannot dodge.

 

[KidGamer65]

10 years of prep doesn't change her having to manually split the lake in half explode them herself. All it ment is that she had more paper on hand. -_-

What does the bold have to do with what I was addressing?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What does the bold have to do with what I was addressing?

u were saying she only did it with years of prep no?

 

[KidGamer65]

u were saying she only did it with years of prep no?

Oh yeah my previous post to you...

Yes. She only did it with years of prep. Obviously she has the ability to split the lake but that doesn't change the fact that prep was the main reason she was able to push Obito that far. Not because she can control paper from far away.

There's 0 proof that her control diminishes at range, and by scattering herself at the onset of battle (something she did to cover the entirety of amegakure) she can partially reform anywhere she pleases thus creating the distance.

Using jutsu like paper shuriken and what ton is useless. That much is true. But her most effective attack is simply swarming her opponent with paper bombs and blowing them up. and when dispersed over such a huge range sakura cannot dodge.

Whether or not it does is irrelevant to the point. Her control being as good doesn't mean she can effectively fight when spread out like that.

What are you even talking about? If she spreads out her paper into tiny pieces like she did to travel Amegakure Sakura doesn't need to dodge as the power won't be concentrated enough to do any real damage. That and the more spread out they are the easier they are to dodge. :lol Which is why when she uses paper bombs they are all mixed together with a clone or they are fired together and not dispersed over a huge range.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh yeah my previous post to you...

Yes. She only did it with years of prep. Obviously she has the ability to split the lake but that doesn't change the fact that prep was the main reason she was able to push Obito that far. Not because she can control paper from far away.

i'm not talking about how far she was able to push obito that's irrelevant to the point. Her splitting the lake, and manually exploding the bombs at said lake is a testament to her control. Yes or no.

Whether or not it does is irrelevant to the point. Her control being as good doesn't mean she can effectively fight when spread out like that.

but it does tho. She we saw her do it-_-

What are you even talking about? If she spreads out her paper into tiny pieces like she did to travel Amegakure Sakura doesn't need to dodge as the power won't be concentrated enough to do any real damage. That and the more spread out they are the easier they are to dodge. :lol Which is why when she uses paper bombs they are all mixed together with a clone or they are fired together and not dispersed over a huge range.

she spreads herself out to create distance athen then when she chooses to reform her head the rest of her converges on sakura. Much like shino:

Disperse:

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Reform her head:

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Then converge, and explode:

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[KidGamer65]

i'm not talking about how far she was able to push obito that's irrelevant to the point. Her splitting the lake, and manually exploding the bombs at said lake is a testament to her control. Yes or no.

Then why are you trying to argue this point? I never once said it wasn't a testament to her control.

but it does tho. She we saw her do it-_-

she spreads herself out to create distance athen then when she chooses to reform her head the rest of her converges on sakura. Much like shino:

Disperse:

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Reform her head:

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Then converge, and explode:

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:lol This isn't effectively fighting at every range. The paper that makes up the vast majority of her body is still attacking Sakura in close range, thus acid is enough to destroy it and defeat Konan. What Gaara does is fighting from long range. He attacks and he cannot be attacked without the opponent making an effort to get in range.

This argument has Konan send almost all her paper towards the opponent.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then why are you trying to argue this point? I never once said it wasn't a testament to her control.

u tried to detract from it tho.

:lol This isn't effectively fighting at every range. The paper that makes up the vast majority of her body is still attacking Sakura in close range, thus acid is enough to destroy it and defeat Konan. What Gaara does is fighting from long range. He attacks and he cannot be attacked without the opponent making an effort to get in range.

Her fight against obito proves she doesn't have to be close range to do it. She can make her head anywhere and the rest of her can still converge and explode.

This argument has Konan send almost all her paper towards the opponent.

As seen in the scan she only has to be a head to control her paper.

 

[KidGamer65]

u tried to detract from it tho.





Her fight against obito proves she doesn't have to be close range to do it. She can make her head anywhere

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As seen in the scan she only has to be a head to control her paper.

Nope. I addressed it.

Key phrase: "rest of her". Thus she is in close range. That paper being destroyed=her losing either:

A. All her body except her head.
B. Chakra to recreate her body.

It doesn't count as long range if you are still taking damage when you get hit. :lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Nope. I addressed it.

Key phrase: "rest of her". Thus she is in close range. That paper being destroyed=her losing either:

A. All her body except her head.
B. Chakra to recreate her body.

It doesn't count as long range if you are still taking damage when you get hit. :lol

whatever fam

@ bold:not what it means at all. Her head is in 1 location while the paper swarms sakura from another.


All she'd lose is chakra. She's not taking damage when when exploding her paper.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sakura wins.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Sakura takes this.

 

[Team7monaa]

Sakura wins mid-difficulty

 

[KidGamer65]

whatever fam

@ bold:not what it means at all. Her head is in 1 location while the paper swarms sakura from another.


All she'd lose is chakra. She's not taking damage when when exploding her paper.

Which is because she has to reform apart of her body, meaning it's not long range, meaning your argument doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter if her head is in another location because she can still take damage and or lose chakra from losing a chunk of her body turned paper.


And why are you talking about exploding her paper? I was talking about when Sakura damages it. Konan can't blow her own paper up, which is why she has to mix paper tags with them in the first place.

 

[Beans2]

Probably. I doubt he fully trusted Obito either.

Then Nagato definitely beats MS Obito 1v1 if he had the same knowledge that Konan had on how kamui works. I could argue for Pain beating him too

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Which is because she has to reform apart of her body, meaning it's not long range, meaning your argument doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter if her head is in another location because she can still take damage and or lose chakra from losing a chunk of her body turned paper.

I don't think it works like that. . . cuz then she'd be literally throwing her body away as when she fought against Jman.

And why are you talking about exploding her paper? I was talking about when Sakura damages it. Konan can't blow her own paper up, which is why she has to mix paper tags with them in the first place.

Where do you think she gets her tags from? I was under the assumption that she can turn her paper into exploding tags. if she only has a set amount then she most likely loses

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Uh, no. If you hit a stack of paper hard enough and in the right manner it’ll crumple or rip. Konans physical body being made of paper doesn’t mean said paper can’t be damaged, and it takes chakra for her to maintain said form thus it’ll take chakra for her to reform or fix her paper.

:lol That’s the Boruto Manga Chapter 3 and it shows Sakuras punch creating a shockwave large enough to destroy the debris. Then Temari blows it away. The shockwave blows Konan into Katsuyus acid and it’s good game from there. Turning into paper doesn’t stop her from being blown away so this doesn’t even address the post.

I can hope you are joking with the rest of this statement. A bunch of paper bombs aren’t killing or doing lasting damage to a Byakugo user and her paper shuriken can be easily evaded or blown away with her punch. Meanwhile she has no realistic counter to shockwave punch into Acid.

Konan can use shurikens steel-hard? Also she can fly higher than the amegakure towers?She can cover sakura with paper bombs and repeatedly explode it along with option of suffocating her?Katsuya acid countered my paper exploding clones and steel swords made of hardened paper then transform her body into bits of paper and evade sakura's punches.
Once the paper gets hold of you the mobility is lost as seen by the guy who konan trapped and if sakura breaks it with her spirit seal then the explosions and various steel hard weapons are her other option

 

[KidGamer65]

Then Nagato definitely beats MS Obito 1v1 if he had the same knowledge that Konan had on how kamui works. I could argue for Pain beating him too

He'd still lose. Knowing doesn't help him counter. He can't exploit it out Konan did with his moveset and ST to counter a warp can only succeed so many times. That and Izanagi.

I don't think it works like that. . . cuz then she'd be literally throwing her body away as when she fought against Jman.




Where do you think she gets her tags from? I was under the assumption that she can turn her paper into exploding tags. if she only has a set amount then she most likely loses

She can make more paper as shown when her arm and part of her body was blown off when she tried to suicide bomb Obito, but she still took damage and chakra.

I was thinking she gathered those along with the 600 billion she gathered for her paper person of god. That was the only time she ever used paper tags in battle and her jutsu is just stated to be capable of turning her body into paper, which she can then change the shape of. Nothing about transforming paper to paper bombs.

Konan can use shurikens steel-hard? Also she can fly higher than the amegakure towers?She can cover sakura with paper bombs and repeatedly explode it along with option of suffocating her?Katsuya acid countered my paper exploding clones and steel swords made of hardened paper then transform her body into bits of paper and evade sakura's punches.
Once the paper gets hold of you the mobility is lost as seen by the guy who konan trapped and if sakura breaks it with her spirit seal then the explosions and various steel hard weapons are her other option

This was all addressed nor am I going to take any post of yours serious after what I read in that Hashirama vs. Orochimaru thread.