Itachi's crow clone which doesn't take up to half his chakra like the shadow clone could pull out a Ribcage but Itachi couldn't pull it out because it takes a considerable amount of chakra despite pulling Tsukoyomi which also does? Makes no sene.....Where's your proof that a Ribcage takes more than that? None. Susano'o has different forms and they take different amounts of chakra. Unless you think PS takes the same amount as a Ribcage which was never noted to take that much like Tsukoyomi. You're only making up the fact that it takes much.
First off, wrong. Crow clone never used ribcage, the most it's done is use a basic Susanoo shroud [
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This sickening logic you're employing simply because you have 0 proof that a Ribcage takes that much. Because he didn't use this doesn't mean he couldn't have employed it. That's crap. Not to mention there could be reasons why he didn't use Susano'o but it's unknown to us. Don't bring in "he didn't use a Ribcage" when you don't have valid enough reasons except well, anticipate he didn't use it because it takes more chakra. Plus the fact that there was a distance between them and that wall
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and the fact that it required enough speed to get rid of that due to the wall of flesh behind them being swift hence Itachi had no choice but to clear the one in front of him before he got there
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I crossed out the part where you denied evidence. "He didn't use Susanoo but it's unknown to us why he didn't"=I have no counterargument.
1. We already have the Viz of Itachi saying he was forced to use Amaterasu.
2. We know that ribcage could have accomplished the feat just as easily, if not more easily.
3. We know that Itachi had just used Tsukuyomi and was trying to preserve chakra.
What more do you want? I'm literally reading the manga to you at this point. As for the rest of your paragraph, are you implying that wall of flesh>Itachi's shunshin in speed? Given Itachi's speed feats, he can easily reach the wall as he manifests Susanoo then tear a hole through it with a Susanoo sword before the flesh wall closes in.
Keep saying these things. Not to mention what makes this moronic is the fact that a crow clone contains less amount of chakra that the shadow clone as stated by the DB so it means a Ribcage definitely doesn't take that much.
How about no? My evidence is based on that fact that you BEANS have zero scans to prove the fact that a RIBCAGE takes a large amount of chakra....Your comparison is weak because different forms of Susano'o require different level of chakra.
If only crow clone had actually used a ribcage Susanoo. Quit throwing around the word "zero proof" like I haven't provided any. I've given you proof time and time again, but you either deny it or ignore it. My favorite part is you keep insisting that Itachi's shadow clone can't use Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu but for the last three posts you have provided...zero proof.
Pretty sure you need to realize how you sound. Also, google the definition of considerable and I don't care because it's been stated either way that it does take a large amount. A crow clone was only shown to use a Ribcage and that's it. Sasuke's chakras were growing weaker to the point where he couldn't do much and yet he could still maintain a Ribcage eve though he couldn't use other forms...Upon his chakra being replenished, he could employ higher versions of Susano'o. Your arguments don't make sense because you can't even prove that a Ribcage takes as much chakra...You're only using "Susano'o" as an argument which is nonsensical..When a Ribcage doesn't take as much chakra in that contained crow clone which isn't close to the shadow in terms of chakra reserves? Yet I'm supposed to believe it taking a considerable amount like Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu?
Bring proof that a Ribcage takes a large amount like those 2 or don't bother.
Oh lord.
I DON'T CARE IF TSUKUYOMI TAKES A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF CHAKRA, BECAUSE IT'S IRRELEVANT UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE IT TAKES MORE CHAKRA THAN SUSANOO. Points you've failed on:
-Stating crow clone used ribcage.
-Stating I'm talking about other versions of Susanoo, when
I never mentioned other versions of Susanoo.
-Acting like Kakashi's statement holds any relevance when
Kakashi only heard about Tsukuyomi's side effects secondhand.
I hope you realize how retarded your argument sounds. Haizaki logic: Tsukuyomi was stated to take a considerable amount of chakra, ribcage Susanoo has no such statement therefore Tsukuyomi takes more chakra than ribcage Susanoo. And you act like my evidence is shit :lol. Higher versions of Susanoo have no such statement either, does this mean Tsukuyomi takes more chakra than V4 Susanoo? Obviously not. Drop this "Kakashi's statement" point right now because that argument is pure ass.
Something I've already addressed.
And you addressed it very poorly at that.
Susano'o has different forms, hence different levels of chakra.
Irrelevant because even a ribcage Susanoo takes chakra from both eyes unlike Tsukuyomi which takes chakra from only one eye. Lord, this is so irrelevant.
You just said "irrelevant" without giving any explanation. Are you expecting me to take your word for it? :lol.
All there is to it is that you failed horribly to prove your point of why a large amount can which is more than or around a Ribcage.
- Itachi's crow clone doesn't take up to half but can use a Ribcage showing it doesn't taken that much..Yet Itachi couldn't pull it out? You're trying to serious? I'll give you sometime to rethink how silly you sound.
Ribcage Susanoo
doesn't have to take a significant amount more chakra than Tsukuyomi, it just has to take more, and I've already given multiple points of evidence so don't you dare say "zero proof." I'm just going to strike through every time you say crow clone used ribcage.
If it doesn't then it stands no chance. Nothing suggest Konan can control paper in these circumstances.
Very well then, you asked for it. Yugito Nii has detonated paper bombs [
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] and she is not listed as a user for yin or yang release. Therefore it doesn't take yang chakra to explode a paper bomb. Therefore Konan can explode a paper bomb perfectly fine even if her yang chakra is being supressed.
Yin and yang has nothing to do with it. End of story.
No but notice none responded to my last post because of the points I raised.
Or maybe they haven't got around to replying. No way am I going to read through all of their posts and yours, but I trust Apex and KidGamer's judgment more than yours.
He obviously would have done it if it could isn't an argument you know? Not to mention the Genjutsu suppressing them are different. Genjutsu controls the chakra in your head and Killer B was filled with Hachibi's chakra
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. Hence that chakra should have been suppressed since that's the chakra being controlled. Plus the bottom right of this scan, B states his almost absorbed most of my chakra despite us knowing it was Hachibi's chakra given to him at that point
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. He couldn't because that was the Chakra given to him for him to control.
Hence that chakra should have been suppressed.
No. Hachibi's chakra=/=Bee's chakra. Bee was put under genjutsu. Hachibi wasn't. Therefore Bee's chakra got supressed. Hachibi's didn't. Being the jinchuuriki of the Hachibi doesn't change that. Bee made that statement because Kisame absorbed most of Bee's chakra as well as a good portion of Hachibi's.
Show me where the panels indicate them hovering...Show me where got them from. I really wonder where...Explain to me why there's one above her head and 3 in from of her in different positions. She could have manipulated them while Nagato strengthened it or made it faster. Why are they not shown being manipulated? That's an assumption.
I've never been surprised before...Let's look at the 2 panels and you tell me if the position of the bottom right and bottom left are the same
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Hell no..They cleared as she threw it and in the Nagato panel, there's no paper there. They won't be scattering about if she could control them and the one above won't be that far from her head in the next panel. Minimal evidence that she did. Why didn't the fire the other ones? Why just 2? Maybe because she couldn't freely manipulate them because she fired 4-5 at a time in her paper state at Obito in this state.
I've addressed all this already and honestly don't feel like doing it again.
Ok? You were the one who brought up Tobirama. I don't see how that scan has anything to do with what we're discussing.
- Konan slaps to activate her God technique. That could just mean the paper bombs were way too much to be controlled at the same time..1 billion anyways which is why it was made into a technique.
Which only further supports my point that Konan manipulates papers on a larger scale when she aids in physical movement, and has nothing to do with her being in paper form.
- Konan creates paper into a sword to stab Jiraiya?
Why didn't she remotely stab the ninja by manipulating the paper sword instead of going up to him and physically stabbing him?
- Konan is manipulating her paper Lol..She's activating her Shikigami technique.
She moved her hand out in front of her for no apparent reason.
- How does that even show Konan using hand movements to manipulate her paper? She's releasing paper from her body and firing it at him.
To me it looks like she physically threw the shurikens.
- Not sure how that show her having to user hand movements to control them? Because she flies upwards and then her paper moves at the same time with her moving towards Obito.
Look at her left hand. She moved it.
Let's assume your point was made, it would never ever show that Base Konan can replicate the same. Not to mention the first time she tried firing paper at Obito, she had to transform first to throw that much at him? Why? Why not in her Base form and then when she wanted to attack him directly, she could have transformed then to save chakra.
Yes it does because it would show that Konan sometimes moves to control paper and sometimes she doesn't, for the same reason Gaara sometimes does and sometimes doesn't. Most likely explanation? She can manipulate paper faster and on a larger scale when she directly manipulates chakra through movement, just like Gaara. Proof for the bold?
Thanks, another proof that she requires physical movement in order to manipulate paper. There's a reason to why there are 2 forms...Paper form and Base form. Shows that her flexibility with the paper is much greater than her base form asides this assumption.
Smh, no. She moved her hand into a position so that the boquet of flowers would be in her hand after she formed it.
While the remaining sound 5 do nothing...Not to mention this would mess up her view and Jirobo who can use hiding like a mole would take advantage of this trapping her. Plus if she's focused on Tayuya, webs can catch her off guard, Kimmi can shoot out Teshi Sendan. There just a lot of combos that can come after he once she's caught off guard. They all need to protect Tayuya and that's it.
I addressed the Yin argument.
Addressed this argument. Even you shouldn't be denying that Konan wins now. The drowning out flute music with explosions was the final nail in the coffin.
This is a joke and should've been finished on post #158, yet you kept going because you're too stubborn to ever concede. Same with out previous debates, where people are convinced by my arguments ie Itachi vs Bee yet nobody is convinced by yours. No point in me needing to continuously explain the same thing and then having you raise the same defeated points as a desperate attempt to grasp at straws. 