Oh, true, the translation seems off but the point stands.
1. Proof? As far as I am concerned it reduces the drawbacks tremendously, it does not completely remove them. It still craves physical energy, just less of it. Sasuke never used his Susano for extremely long periods of time in EMS anyways, he used it for a short amount of time each time he used it (except with Rikudo chakra).
2. The Gates is not Ninjutsu in the first place, so I don't see your point.
3. Which is exactly what Yin ninjutsu is, creating and SHAPING (meaning it's physical) form out of nothingness. That's exactly what Susano is dude.
4. He thought it was at the time with no intel, but as your DB translation shows, she just releases the spirits sealed already inside the Demons.
There's a tonne of proof based on the fact that Yin is creating form and shaping out of nothingness and Susano is the complete exemplification of that definition. Then there's the fact that it uses Sasuke's physical energy similarly to other Yin based things (Tayuya's spirits), which the DB supports as it says he is being simultaneously 'devoured'. It doesn't have to be outright stated for us to be able to logically deduce its truth.
Nope..Translation is different hence you spirit comparison doesn't work seeing how underlined and bolded its name being the same to justify they were referred to as the same.
- I need to prove to you that EMS removes the drawbacks from the user? Despite looking at the amount of MS Jutsu's used all through the war with no problems. He used it for a good amount of time and never got healed. Not to mention this doesn't prove your point at all considering the fact that Tayuya's spirits crave for the physical energy of others and not herself. Also considering the fact that upon using it, Tayuya's body feels no pain or so. Susano'o causes damaging pain to them as his cells where aching when used it.
- Nope the Gates debunks your point well...It's removes the limit of flow in the body. It's not Taijutsu but basic since everyone has it. Hence it shows the use of chakra causing damage to the body. Just like Susnao'o does to the body upon using it. I'm proving to you why Susano'o doing damage to the body isn't proof that it works the same way as Tayuya's spirits because that craves for physical energy.
-Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about with this one...Susano'o is created from chakra. Chakra is used to form it as several people have made reference to it being chakra. Not to mention the aspect of chakra taking a
physical form from spiritual energy alone makes zero sense when chakra contains both physical and spiritual energy. That's not smart to think such. Massive indication that chakra should contain physical energy otherwise there won't be a need to state it taking a physical form. Was it stated that chakra takes a physical form for any spiritual energy related technique? That makes no sense as chakra becomes physical in Susano'os case. Shaping isn't a good point unless you want to tell me that chakra taking physical form means shaping so this should apply to Genjutsu since chakra takes the physical form means shaping or so. "Creating and Shaping form out of nothing" but what about the fact that Susano'o is created from chakra? Genjutsu is prepared via chakra but in this case, we have the construct being made of chakra and has been referred to as chakra several times in the Manga. So it's created from something.
- Not to mention, you failed to explain to me why it would make sense that Perfect Susano'o is stabilized chakra despite Yin being almost of Mental energy alone meaning the chakra is in an unstable state. Plus it would make no sense the Perfect Susano'o falls under Yang while the other forms fall under something else when they are all from the same source. Imagination.
Nope...All we have is speculation to prove a point for Konan's paper. Nothing factual..DB never every referenced Susano'o being Yin or Yang but gave us the fact the Tsukoyomi is Yin while Amaterasu is Fire release. It specifically mentioned the Sharingan Genjutsu but what happened to Susano'o? Susano'o has featured in 2 databooks but has never been stated to be any of the following except under assumptions which aren't factual. You need stronger proof which you just don't have. You're using arguments based on nothing that it's Yin.
Not to mention considering the fact that you agreed Yang is involved, I can argue that only Yin conditions strictly can function under this circumstances.
You could say Susanoo can't be used because it's yang...or we could go with the much more logical explanation which is that Mugen Onsa suppresses chakra in general and therefore Sasuke and Itachi couldn't use their more chakra-heavy techniques like Susanoo. The genjutsu's SM boost supressed their chakra even more unlike it would be in Konan's case.
Wth did I just read? Lmfao can't believe you dared call my point BS. Tsukoyomi could be used and a Ribcage couldn't? Smh. The funny part of this is the fact that I remember you once supported the notation that Itachi's clone could use a ribcage(Can't remember but it seems you probably proved it) which would mean his clone can also use Tsukoyomi since according to you, a ribcage is more taxing than Tsukoyomi chakra wise hence Itachi being able to use Tsukoymi but not a Ribcage? Pitiful. Now we are reaching the conclusion that Itachi's clone can use Tsukoyomi? Correct? Even though it takes a ridiculous amount as stated by Kisame. Cut the excuses out.
Not to mention if it restricts them, it does completely. Not "Some bit of chakra could be used" "While some others could". The level of chakra of 2 is stronger than Konan's. So SM being required to halt their chakra according to you isn't proof that it would be needed for other individuals that have weaker forms of chakra.
Also, I find myself agreeing with Apex that Susanoo is yin chakra.
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The red box perfectly describes what Sasuke and Itachi do with their chakra when they manifest Susanoo.
I argued this with him and he ended up agreeing that Yang is involved...Not to mention it's speculation on both your parts. Read my post to Apex and you'll understand. If there's anything, tell me what's wrong and I also want to know why Amaterasu and Tsukoymi were given their element but Susano'o wasn't addressed to be any of this. Susan's is formed from chakra and has been stated to be chakra in a physical form. Not to mention the fact that PS is stabilized chakra which should rule out the fact that it's Yin considering Yin techniques are made up of almost mental energy all through making their chakra unstable. It won't make sense for PS to have stabilized chakra as stated making it different from Yin while it's other forms would be Yin? Not sensible.
Oh lord. Konan needs physical movements to control her paper in human form? Look in the bottom panels. Those papers weren't just hovering there for no reason, she was manipulating them with her chakra.
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and then her adult self controls paper again without movement
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Inb4 she has to hold her arms above her head. She had to do that for a large paper chakram, exploding a paper tag or using a single paper shuriken doesn't require that.
(Lol, didn't realize until now that the metaphor there was the rainbow represented the "bridge to peace" and there's some iconic imagery of her "holding up the bridge" which matches what she says.)
Read the panels carefully and don't make your assumptions. Those aren't being controlled, they were most likely brought out or formed first but how would we know which it is? When we literally see hand movements not knowing how the others were formed. You have minimal proof that the were being controlled due to it being off paneled. Due to no indication that it was I'm not sure why the paper were scattered as soon those 2 where it thrown. So much for her manipulating them or being able to control it. Not to mention if you look above her head, you can see paper being moved recklessly out of her way so there's less to suggest it was being controlled. Otherwise, I'm not sure why she'll have to throw it if she could control them or manipulate them freely without movements. Not sure why she'll have to hold it to change the shape if she manipulates it at free will in her human form. No proof that she can manipulate it without movement while in this form. Makes Zero sense because even against Obito, she had to transform to fire paper Shuriken freely. She always had to transform to use paper freely. It could have been brought out
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from her pouch and held. Are we going to suggest Tobirama's paper tags were hovering because they were in mid air? Makes more sense since she was only a learner at that point. Otherwise having to shape by holding and throw it is off when she could manipulate it freely in this state.
Lol I really love the "Inb4" part. You saw she needed physical movements but you relate a technique to another without solid proof that she doesn't need physical movements for something smaller? Well, because it's not as large? Ridiculous and yet again, no proof suggesting she can control paper in her base state without hand movements.
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