Konan v Sound 4

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Yo apex. Has anyone here actually posted a reaction feat from any of the sound 5 that says or at the very least helps them react to konan? I dont feel like reading all the pages.

or any reputable jounin lvl nin for that matter
 

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Yo apex. Has anyone here actually posted a reaction feat from any of the sound 5 that says or at the very least helps them react to konan? I dont feel like reading all the pages.

or any reputable jounin lvl nin for that matter

Nah, I asked for some several times but I was ignored every time. Doubt they even have the reaction feats to dodge base Konan's attacks. She could easily react to KN0+SM Adult Naruto from a short distance yet S4 would get stomped speed-wise by VOTE KN0 child Naruto. Only thing I saw regarding speed was DB stats, but that has nothing to do with reaction speed as far as I am concerned.

Lmfaoo at the white text.
 

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Nah, I asked for some several times but I was ignored every time. Doubt they even have the reaction feats to dodge base Konan's attacks. She could easily react to KN0+SM Adult Naruto from a short distance yet S4 would get stomped speed-wise by VOTE KN0 child Naruto. Only thing I saw regarding speed was DB stats, but that has nothing to do with reaction speed as far as I am concerned.

Lmfaoo at the white text.

That scan shows Konan moving to intercept Naruto. The same one who just defeated 6POP and went 7tails. After he went 4 tails he was constantly dropping from exhaustion. Just my 5 cents
 

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That scan shows Konan moving to intercept Naruto. The same one who just defeated 6POP and went 7tails. After he went 4 tails he was constantly dropping from exhaustion. Just my 5 cents

I agree, but that was a regular SM Naruto. The Kyuubi chakra completely overcomes any exhaustion, by far. Naruto was so exhausted against Haku he was asleep yet with Kyuubi boost he became 10x as strong as he was in prime. Same here, Naruto went from completely demolished to overpowered freak . Every time Naruto receives the Kyuubi's chakra he goes far beyond his prime Base abilities regardless of any exhaustion. I don't see why this would be an exception, the Kyuubi chakra would make Base Naruto far beyond himself in his prime Base form, and the added SM boost is unchanged. Thus if SM Naruto can blitz Asura Path then this Naruto can run circles around him (not really).
 

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Konan Mid Diff.
Three Ways it Can Play Out
1. She goes Camo in the beginning and suffocates them all, seeing as none of them are capable of tracking her, and Tayuya and Jirobo cannot react to her paper. The remaining can only fight the paper for so long, and her paper would move too fast for Tayuya to play the flute, that would immobilize her team after finally finding Konan.

2. Konan remotely attacks them with Paper Clones, which will handily take everyone except Kimimaru, which will be bisected by the paper halo.

3. Konan head on battles them to hit time until the area is laced in Camo paper bombs, and sets them off everywhere she isn't standing.
 

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Sound Genjustu is not going to effect Konan in her paper form. The sound waves are simply hitting the paper. Just like it would with Suigestu in his liquid form, the sound will simply bounce off the liquid like how Kabuto bypassed white rage.
 

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Sound Genjustu is not going to effect Konan in her paper form. The sound waves are simply hitting the paper. Just like it would with Suigestu in his liquid form, the sound will simply bounce off the liquid like how Kabuto bypassed white rage.

This reasoning. When you have proper proof that the mechanics behind Konan's paper works that way(liquefying one's insides). He liquefies his insides to prevent himself from the effects of the sound vibrations which work differently to Tayuya's.

Konan showed she could hear in her paper otherwise I don't know how she was listening to Obito's speech about the Akatsuki being formed by him if she couldn't take in sound(No one should bring any dumb reason such as it being a Manga when she showed she could still hear). DB States one needs to hear the Genjutsu alone to get trapped in it. That's all. Nothing else.

Till one of you people bring a legit reason to counter the Yin style elemental nature only being able to function under these circumstances, then it's a concession...White Rage effects are carried through the intense sound. One needs to hear in order to get get trapped in Tayuya's Genjutsu and since Konan showed she can hear while in her paper form, no excuses for her not being able to function. What are Edo's made of? Yet Itachi still got trapped despite having no organs. Quit this silly fan fiction.

That scan shows Konan moving to intercept Naruto. The same one who just defeated 6POP and went 7tails. After he went 4 tails he was constantly dropping from exhaustion. Just my 5 cents

Lmfao spot on. Same Asura path who intercepted Kakashi's Chidori in an almost dead state got blitzed by SM Naruto full speed despite in flight mode.

Not to mention Konan's flawed reaction in her paper state which is faster than her base state and Naruto killed his intent to attack Nagato. A senjutsu enhanced toad oil bullet with fire and wind to aid its power was easily reacted to by Preta moving in the way to intercept it so much for being so fast.

Konan in her paper state failed to dodge something Preta could move to and intercept..But her paper seems to be faster than KCM Naruto's running speed. Her paper and her reactions with it, could apparently exceed that of Kamui but we saw Konan narrowly being able to put her hands up against Base Jman's oil because it was too fast for her...If her paper which comes from her own body backed by reactions were so fast to exceed Kamui, there'll be no reason why she won't dodge oil bullet from that distance considering her body was made of the same paper and her reactions shouldn't change. Absolutely none and Base Jiraiya already showed to dodge her paper from a similar distance. So much for this nonsensical feat of Konan's paper and reactions exceeding KCM Naruto's movement speed when she couldn't move to dodge something Preta could with this same paper. Pitiful but usual.
 
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Everytime one of these "underrated characters" get exploited we always, always cross the boundary into the fan fiction section. Faster than KCM Naruto's running speed? Immune to genjutsu? Come on mate.
 

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Everytime one of these "underrated characters" get exploited we always, always cross the boundary into the fan fiction section. Faster than KCM Naruto's running speed? Immune to genjutsu? Come on mate.

Hilarious but we need these entertainers in this section bro
 

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Lol at sound genjutsu one shotting Konan. The genjutsu halts Konan's paper of angel technique (seeing how it halted Shadow Posession and Susanoo the times it was used.) Konan just explodes a paper bomb near her or cuts herself with a paper shuriken. The pain breaks her out of genjutsu, and since she's in human form she will feel the pain. Unless the S4 can somehow take advantage of this tiny window of opportunity lasting just a few seconds before Konan breaks herself out, then Konan kills them all starting with Tayuya. The possibility of them doing so is unlikely, especially when Tayuya would inadvertantly put her teammates in genjutsu as well.
 

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Everytime one of these "underrated characters" get exploited we always, always cross the boundary into the fan fiction section. Faster than KCM Naruto's running speed? Immune to genjutsu? Come on mate.

Bro they literally have groups and piggy back on one another on how to overrate said ninja. They skype and all that ish. Lol 'Ice does the hard work the others co-sign then act as though they know anything. Literally the only person I knew that defended her was ice' now everyone claims to be a fan changing profile pics and everything.
 
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Bro they literally have groups and piggy back on one another on how to overrate said ninja. They skype and all that ish. Lol 'Ice does the hard work the others co-sign then act as though they know anything. Literally the only person I knew that defended her was ice' now everyone claims to be a fan changing profile pics and everything.

Beans defended her in 2014, long before anyone. Only reason everyone does it again now is because me and Ice exploited her paper mode.
 

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I think sound genjutsu does affect Konan in her paper form. But don't ignore the fact that she can still free herself since performing jutsu is still possible in that state.

-She can explode a sealing tag near her face to get burnt and get out from it
-She can cut herself with origami

The origami ***** gets out from it.
 

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Lol at sound genjutsu one shotting Konan. The genjutsu halts Konan's paper of angel technique (seeing how it halted Shadow Posession and Susanoo the times it was used.) Konan just explodes a paper bomb near her or cuts herself with a paper shuriken. The pain breaks her out of genjutsu, and since she's in human form she will feel the pain. Unless the S4 can somehow take advantage of this tiny window of opportunity lasting just a few seconds before Konan breaks herself out, then Konan kills them all starting with Tayuya. The possibility of them doing so is unlikely, especially when Tayuya would inadvertantly put her teammates in genjutsu as well.


Manga shows only Yin elemental nature can function under the circumstances which was why Shadow possession and Genjutsu could work but Susanoo which involves chakra manipulation couldn't be brought up to protect them. Only one thing they resorted to...Genjutsu which falls under the Yin category.

Konan isn't manipulating her paper while in the Genjutsu..0 evidence that she can still function while in this. Plus the fact that we're stating she'll be in human form when she's manipulating this paper? Hasn't she always turn to paper in order to this? Even if she could, she'll have to use put chakra into paper and she never showed to manipulate it while in human form. Not that this is even proof that she can in the Genjutsu. No evidence till now regarding why Konan would still be able to manipulate chakra for the paper while in this Genjutsu.

If I was to use the logic of the second bold, I'll be questioning why Jiraiya wasn't trapped in Ma and Pa's sound Genjutsu or why they wanted to confidently use it against Deva despite the presence of Naruto on the battlefield. Maybe because they control their Jutsu.
 
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Every single time there's a sound 4 thread people treat it as if she's going to counter one by one. But if she's halted by the sound gen right off the bat and is spun into a cocoon in mere seconds, she's ****ed. Her paper mode won't be able to free her from that.
 

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Every single time there's a sound 4 thread people treat it as if she's going to counter one by one. But if she's halted by the sound gen right off the bat and is spun into a cocoon in mere seconds, she's ****ed. Her paper mode won't be able to free her from that.

Cannot wait to see why Konan would still function under this Genjutsu...People avoiding that Yin argument despite the 2 things being able to function under this till the beginning and end of the Manga fall under this category.

Smh what can one do if people don't address these things but yet still claim Shikamaru's possession could work(Yin) while Susanoo couldn't(Non Yin) and that's due to something else which I haven't seen.
 

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Cannot wait to see why Konan would still function under this Genjutsu...People avoiding that Yin argument despite the 2 things being able to function under this till the beginning and end of the Manga fall under this category.

Smh what can one do if people don't address these things but yet still claim Shikamaru's possession could work(Yin) while Susanoo couldn't(Non Yin) and that's due to something else which I haven't seen.

I was gonna disagree with what you were saying but I thought about it and I really can't.
 

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Bro they literally have groups and piggy back on one another on how to overrate said ninja. They skype and all that ish. Lol 'Ice does the hard work the others co-sign then act as though they know anything. Literally the only person I knew that defended her was ice' now everyone claims to be a fan changing profile pics and everything.

Why Skype?
 

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Manga shows only Yin elemental nature can function under the circumstances which was why Shadow possession and Genjutsu could work but Susanoo which involves chakra manipulation couldn't be brought up to protect them. Only one thing they resorted to...Genjutsu which falls under the Yin category.

Konan isn't manipulating her paper while in the Genjutsu..0 evidence that she can still function while in this. Plus the fact that we're stating she'll be in human form when she's manipulating this paper? Hasn't she always turn to paper in order to this? Even if she could, she'll have to use put chakra into paper and she never showed to manipulate it while in human form. Not that this is even proof that she can in the Genjutsu. No evidence till now regarding why Konan would still be able to manipulate chakra for the paper while in this Genjutsu.

If I was to use the logic of the second bold, I'll be questioning why Jiraiya wasn't trapped in Ma and Pa's sound Genjutsu or why they wanted to confidently use it against Deva despite the presence of Naruto on the battlefield. Maybe because they control their Jutsu.

You've got to be kidding me. Shadow posession and genjutsu were both used when they were under the effects of the genjutsu. "Yin" doesn't have crap to do with it. The jutsu halts the opponent's move if the jutsu is already in use which is why Shikamaru's shadow posession was undone, and it's also why Susanoo was dispelled. But Shikamaru used shadow posession again after that. Show me where it's stated that only Yin jutsu can be used while under the effects of the genjutsu, otherwise I'm calling bs. It wasn't shown that way, nor would there be any logical reason for that to be the case. All three jutsu involve chakra manipulation, not just Susanoo.

Konan was shown to manipulate paper in human form. Refer to when she did it as a kid.

Jiraiya had his chakra merged with Ma and Pa, so they could have broke him out of their own genjutsu. But I'm starting to think you're right about that last point.
 

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Cannot wait to see why Konan would still function under this Genjutsu...People avoiding that Yin argument despite the 2 things being able to function under this till the beginning and end of the Manga fall under this category.

Smh what can one do if people don't address these things but yet still claim Shikamaru's possession could work(Yin) while Susanoo couldn't(Non Yin) and that's due to something else which I haven't seen.

Susano is definitely Yin man. Susano is the direct example of what the Sage's Yin is exemplified as [ ]. To create shape and form out of nothingness IS Susano, whereas Yang is breathing life into form which is exactly what BM Avatar is, Kurama into an avatar form. Same with genjutsu, this is an extract from DBIV; Geg @ NF translated it as "For example, even without using a Sharingan, the proportional amount of genjutsu that involves "creating form from nothing" is high." Then when he uses Susano, according to Cee, his chakra is the same when he used Genjutsu on him [ ]. Even DB states that all non-elemental based jutsu are either Yin or Yang, and clearly Susano is not Yang (although it could be both if you consider BM both, but that would mean it gets the benefits of both).
 
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