Konan > Sasori

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This has bothered me for a long time but I never posted anything because I was afraid of being ridiculed for my opinion on this, but f**k it I'll just say it. I think Konan can beat Sasori and here's how she does it.

Countering Sasori's Arsenal

Hiruko

Since Sasori operates from inside a human puppet called Hiruko, that will be Konan's first challenge. Hiruko has 3 main weapons: the scorpion-like tail which serves as offense and defense, the rapid-fire senbon which are launched out of his mouth, and a mechanism on his left arm that shoots senbon in all directions. Now, Konan being a long-range type will try to stay as far away from Sasori as possible and avoid close combat, so the tail to her is no threat at all. She can avoid the senbon as well. Using Dance of the Shikigami, she can turn her body into paper, fold each paper into an origami butterfly, and disperse herself over a wide area like she did in Amegakure:

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Even if the senbon nail some of the papers, it is no big deal to Konan at all since she can easily recover in her paper form, a tribute to that being she recovered after half her body was blown up. She went from this:

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to this:

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So it's fair to say she can take a good deal of damage. She even survived Obito's black rod, despite not being in her paper form. Not that it will be necessary though since not many of the senbon are going to make contact with paper. To help her even more, she can make paper clones to confuse Sasori, making him unaware of which body to aim for. Hiruko is finished by her sneaking one or more explosive tags and sticking them to Hiruko's body - the puppet is made of wood, so one paper bomb has enough explosive force to destroy it. It destroyed Obito's zetsu arm, which was capable of stopping Suigetsu's Executioner's Blade:

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3rd Kazekage

Sasori's favorite human puppet, the 3rd Kazekage manipulates the formidable Satetsu, or Iron Sand. However, Konan can safely evade all the 3rd Kazekage's attacks. The third Kazekage has been shown to use four techniques: Senju Sōbu (Thousand hands manipulation force), Satetsu Shigure (iron sand drizzle), Satetsu Kesshū (iron sand gathering assault), and Satetsu Kaihō (iron sand world method).

Senju Sōbu is countered the same way as the senbon are - by dispersing herself over a wide area so the hands have nothing to grab on to. Satetsu Shigure is a similar attack to the senbon needles, except it is achieved instead with iron sand. Konan still evades it the same way she does for the senbon and the hands. Satetsu Kaihō is normally useful for someone whose body has no special characteristics, but pinpoint piercing attacks becomes nullified the same way, since Konan in paper form can disperse herself with Dance of the Shikigami. Satetsu Kesshū could arguably be countered the same way, but it would be even easier for Konan to stick dozens of explosive tags to it, then explode the iron structure, dispersing the sand much like Deidara's bombs dispersed Gaara's sand:

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She finishes the 3rd Kazekage the same way she destroys Hiruko - with explosive tags. While she is dispersed, she can manipulate the papers to form a clone right by where the 3rd Kazekage puppet is. The clone, which she could mix with explosive tags, would grab onto the 3rd kazekage puppet and blow itself up, along with the puppet.

Poison

Konan turning her body into paper renders Sasori's poison absolutely useless. With no blood/organs/human body systems, there is nothing for him to poison. Filling the area with a cloud of poison also would have no effect on Konan. She can disperse the poison cloud the same way Sakura did: with a paper bomb.

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That being said, Sasori's poison clouds as well as coating his weapons with poison would be useless.

One Hundred Puppets

Sasori's ultimate technique is not really so ultimate against Konan. Again, by using Dance of the Shikigami, she can disperse herself into thousands of origami butterflies. The puppets, who specialize in piercing/slashing/stabbing attacks will be rendered useless. One paper bomb per puppet is enough to destroy every single one of them. Another method she could use would be suicidal paper clones, which function in a similar way to Deidara's nendo bunshin. Once a puppet enters close combat, the paper clone (which is mixed with paper bombs) blows itself up along with the puppet.

Sasori: the Man Himself

Konan's biggest threat is probably Sasori's puppet body, which could be troublesome. His propellers and cable coiled in his chest are not very big threats, since they are rendered obsolete by turning her body into paper (if he comes close enough to her to use his propellers, she can slip a paper bomb onto his body and blow him up from afar, while cutting through paper and poison will not harm her). Sasori's fire jets are probably the only tool he has that could actually do Konan some damage. Nevertheless, Konan has counters to it. Obviously, she could just keep her distance and stay out of it's range, but then any paper attacks she uses get burned burned up before they hit Sasori. So what she can do is create a diversion. If she fires off several dozen explosive tags at Sasori from a safe distance, the fire will burn them and make them prematurely explode. The explosions will cause a lot of dust and smoke, creating a smoke cloud and obscuring Sasori's vision. While this is happening, she can send papers around the flames/explosions behind Sasori, to make papers form together to make a paper clone. Once Sasori notices this clone, he will shift his attention to the clone and redirect his fire to burn it down. The real Konan can take advantage of this opportunity to bombard him with paper shuriken or paper planes mixed with explosive tags. Once they come near enough to him, they explode and the wide-range explosions would nail Sasori in the heart and kill him.

Konan was smart enough to come up with a strategy to defeat Obito (and almost succeeded), so she could easily figure out his weaknesses relatively quickly. And this isn't the only way she could overcome his fire jets - she could make about a dozen paper clones and fire at him from all sides - and his fire jets do not give him 360 degrees of protection.

How Konan can kill Sasori/Strategies she can use

-Paper tag explosions
-Paper shuriken to his vital spot (would take some time to deduce his weakness however.)
-Paper Chakram to his vital spot
-If we count anime feats, she can just spam paper shuriken and paper chakrams everywhere and cut his puppets in half, since in the anime she made her paper shuriken harder than metal, and cut through Obito's black rod
-Using suicide-bombing paper clones: she makes a paper clone and mixes in paper bombs with the clones, so if Sasori (or any puppet for that matter) comes near the clone, she can blow it up.
-Clone feints: with her Dance of the Shikigami technique, she can disperse herself into hundreds of little paper butterflies. She can then form together a clone with the same paper, and Sasori will be tricked into thinking that's her and shift is focus towards the clone, when the real Konan can go around him while she's dispersed and bomb him from behind.

Conclusion: Konan wins against Sasori high difficulty without intel, and mid difficulty with intel.

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Nice effort.
I disagree on the outcome though, simply because of the following points:

1) Nothing in her arsenal can really put down Sasori either. This could very well be a battle of stamina, which in that case Sasori wins.

2) Her long ranged projectiles may or may not be resistant to fire (she stalemated w/ Jiraiya on a direct confront regardeless), but her 'real body' can still be damaged ( ) ( ). Sasori has a flamethrower and overwhelming surprises to make that happen.

3) The Shikigami no Mai is an unusual transformation jutsu, but she still has to breath somehow. She's more than able to disperse the mist, but she has to be prepared and see it coming beforehand, or she ends up like Shino. ( ). ( ) ( )
 

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Agree, konan wins.

Once she wraps sasori in paper, it's over for him. As a pupeteer, sasori is vulnerable to CQC; seeing as Konan can transform her entire body into paper which, even if it's destroyed has no effect on her, once she wraps up sasori he cannot release his core from the puppet body. At that point konan sets the paper bomb off and sasori dies with his core. GG.

Konan is underrated. She's a very strong akatsuki member; She trained with 'god'(nagato) and was trained by Jiraiya (who made the prodigies naruto, nagato and minato), after all U_U
 

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This is another win for the Konan Fanbase.
 

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Nice effort.
I disagree on the outcome though, simply because of the following points:

1) Nothing in her arsenal can really put down Sasori either. This could very well be a battle of stamina, which in that case Sasori wins.

While it's true that Sasori's puppet body is more durable than a normal human's, it can still be torn apart with paper tag explosions. I'm not totally sure what his body is made of (clay? wood?) but she blew off Obito's Zetsu arm which is far more durable than a normal one. (Suigetsu swung his Executioner's blade at Kisame with full force, but Obito easily blocked it with his wrist). It would be fair to say Sasori's durability is, at best, the same as Obito's arm. If she figures out Sasori's weak spot she can throw some paper shuriken at it.

2) Her long ranged projectiles may or may not be resistant to fire (she stalemated w/ Jiraiya on a direct confront regardeless), but her 'real body' can still be damaged ( ) ( ). Sasori has a flamethrower and overwhelming surprises to make that happen.

I talked about that scan in my post. Did you see how Konan quickly recovered and re-formed her body after that? The flamethrowers are definitely her biggest obstacle, but they are linear in direction and cannot protect him from her shooting bombs from all sides. And she should be safe from them so long as she stays out of range. There's a whole armada of strategies she could use as well that I discussed earlier (clone feints, suicide-bombing clones, etc.)[/QUOTE]



3) The Shikigami no Mai is an unusual transformation jutsu, but she still has to breath somehow. She's more than able to disperse the mist, but she has to be prepared and see it coming beforehand, or she ends up like Shino. ( ). ( ) ( )

The poison clouds come out of pipes from that "hundred hands" thing. It was necessary for the hands to grab Sakura and rein her in before releasing the poison cloud, since Sakura could dodge it (just like Konan can). And does Konan really breathe in her paper form? I don't remember seeing anything implying that she does.
 
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While it's true that Sasori's puppet body is more durable than a normal human's, it can still be torn apart with paper tag explosions. I'm not totally sure what his body is made of (clay? wood?) but she blew off Obito's Zetsu arm which is far more durable than a normal one. (Suigetsu swung his Executioner's blade at Kisame with full force, but Obito easily blocked it with his wrist). It would be fair to say Sasori's durability is, at best, the same as Obito's arm. If she figures out Sasori's weak spot she can throw some paper shuriken at it.



I talked about that scan in my post. Did you see how Konan quickly recovered and re-formed her body after that? The flamethrowers are definitely her biggest obstacle, but they are linear in direction and cannot protect him from her shooting bombs from all sides. And she should be safe from them so long as she stays out of range. There's a whole armada of strategies she could use as well that I discussed earlier (clone feints, suicide-bombing clones, etc.)





The poison clouds come out of pipes from that "hundred hands" thing. It was necessary for the hands to grab Sakura and rein her in before releasing the poison cloud, since Sakura could dodge it (just like Konan can). And does Konan really breathe in her paper form? I don't remember seeing anything implying that she does.

Blunt phsyical attacks don't do shit to him, you have to have a piecing attack that can go through his core.
 

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Blunt phsyical attacks don't do shit to him, you have to have a piecing attack that can go through his core.

Or an explosive attack that destroys the whole body, including his core.
 

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Dont think so, she does not get past iron sand.
 

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konan has two options, try to blow sasori up, which wont do shit to iron sand.
or try to suffocate sasori which also wont work.

you all completely forget sasoris iron sand, which, used properly, is better as a defence than gaara
 

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i agree with this,,,
nice effort
 

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Or... Sasori locks himself up in a Satetsu Dome and it's over for Konan.
 

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^^ except sasori can't use satetsu dome.
Ex ept he can't see out of it if he makes it. By making a simple oppening konan's paper enters, wraps his body and blows him up.

IS is useless against a bunch of paper in the wind.
 

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konan has two options, try to blow sasori up, which wont do shit to iron sand.
or try to suffocate sasori which also wont work.

you all completely forget sasoris iron sand, which, used properly, is better as a defence than gaara

Doesn't have better defense then Gaara.... Gold sand is stronger then iron sand..... (The 3rd was only better then Gaara daddy simply because he can manipulate any metal meaning kunai swords etc hell who knows maybe he could have manipulated the iron in ur body lol jp ) gold is denser and heavier the iron

Gaara got around tht no prob...

Back to topic ... I feel sasori can take her high diff but it can go either way after reading this lol..
 

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^^ except sasori can't use satetsu dome.
Ex ept he can't see out of it if he makes it. By making a simple oppening konan's paper enters, wraps his body and blows him up.

IS is useless against a bunch of paper in the wind.

Actually he can the databook stated he can shape Iron Sand into any shape he wanted too.

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Actually he can the databook stated he can shape Iron Sand into any shape he wanted too.

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If he makes a dome out of iron sand, then he can't use any puppets outside the dome because he needs to connect the puppets to his body with chakra strings. He also can't see outside the dome, or have any idea of what's going on outside. He's no Gaara, he doesn't have a third eye.

(besides, a couple dozen paper bombs focused on one spot should blow through any iron sand Sasori uses).
 

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I believe she's on a higher rank but Sasori would beat her imo. Bad matchup.
 
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No, she has to turn to paper. Otherwise she has blood and organs, just like anyone else.​
 

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Actually he can the databook stated he can shape Iron Sand into any shape he wanted too.

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A hollow dome is a very complicated shape. 1 scan of him making a hollow object? There's none. Making a solid sphere and making a hollowed out dome is two completely different things. Until stated otherwise, or until ant magnet user makes any hollowed out object, this is beyond fanfic.

Also, if he does make this dome, like you claim he can, he can't see shit outside of it. He's now useless in the dome and has to open it up to do anything. Know what opening the dome means? It means he's opened to attacks, especially flank attacks since everywhere around that little opening is a blind spot where an attack can come from behind and sneak into the hole. This guy has no 3rd eye.
>inb4 sasori makes the 3rd kazekage puppet create a 3rd eye then sasori somehow connects kazekage's 3rd eye to his[sasori's] optic nerve.
 

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While it's true that Sasori's puppet body is more durable than a normal human's, it can still be torn apart with paper tag explosions. I'm not totally sure what his body is made of (clay? wood?) but she blew off Obito's Zetsu arm which is far more durable than a normal one. (Suigetsu swung his Executioner's blade at Kisame with full force, but Obito easily blocked it with his wrist). It would be fair to say Sasori's durability is, at best, the same as Obito's arm. If she figures out Sasori's weak spot she can throw some paper shuriken at it.



I talked about that scan in my post. Did you see how Konan quickly recovered and re-formed her body after that? The flamethrowers are definitely her biggest obstacle, but they are linear in direction and cannot protect him from her shooting bombs from all sides. And she should be safe from them so long as she stays out of range. There's a whole armada of strategies she could use as well that I discussed earlier (clone feints, suicide-bombing clones, etc.)

I think its wood, but that doesn't mean its as frail as a wood doll. Sakura's punch cracked and dismantled it but Sasori casually put himself back together ( ). The only way to destroy Sasori for good is by destroying his core, otherwise he can still manipulate chakra, summon another puppet and adopt it as a new body. Its not really about durability, its about his ability to put himself together regardeless of the damage.
Tbh, i can't see her figuring out his weak spot in the middle of the battle unless she has intel on human puppetry like Chiyo. Sakura (who unlocked the Kamui's secrets in one chapter) didn't seem like she figured it out until Chiyo delivered the final blow.

But clones are filler :| Sasori has 100 puppets at his disposal to overwhelm and distract her while he blasts her with his fire. Hell, Jiraiya alone disabled her with relative ease by using linear attacks. If an evasion specialist and a master puppeteer were having trouble keeping up w/ so many puppets,there's no way she could do better than them.

Actually, Chiyo took her out of the 100 Puppet Arms before the cloud took place. It was after he throwed a rope that she got caught. Obviously this won't work on Konan, but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. Chiyo taught Sasori everything, she's expecting these tricks from him and reacted immediatly. Shino didn't see the poison bomb coming and wasn't prepared in time (causing him to inhale some poison), much like Konan when she let her guard down and got caught by Jiraiya's oil.

Lastly, its not implied she doesn't breath either. I believe she does because Shikigami no Mai is nothing but a transformation jutsu, she's still a normal human like most other characters. The fact that she's constantly keeping her head intact could very well explain this.
 
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A hollow dome is a very complicated shape. 1 scan of him making a hollow object? There's none. Making a solid sphere and making a hollowed out dome is two completely different things. Until stated otherwise, or until ant magnet user makes any hollowed out object, this is beyond fanfic.

Also, if he does make this dome, like you claim he can, he can't see shit outside of it. He's now useless in the dome and has to open it up to do anything. Know what opening the dome means? It means he's opened to attacks, especially flank attacks since everywhere around that little opening is a blind spot where an attack can come from behind and sneak into the hole. This guy has no 3rd eye.
>inb4 sasori makes the 3rd kazekage puppet create a 3rd eye then sasori somehow connects kazekage's 3rd eye to his[sasori's] optic nerve.

The scan on the databook says any shape so why couldn't he make a doom?

If he makes a dome out of iron sand, then he can't use any puppets outside the dome because he needs to connect the puppets to his body with chakra strings. He also can't see outside the dome, or have any idea of what's going on outside. He's no Gaara, he doesn't have a third eye.

(besides, a couple dozen paper bombs focused on one spot should blow through any iron sand Sasori uses).


Depending on the situation,positions & locations it can go both ways

Magnet Release isn't only used for Iron Sand it can be used for other Metallic Dust/Sand like Tungsten,Tantalum,Thorium,Gold, Etc to even melt Iron you'll need 2900(F) Wrought the strongest iron ,2200(F) Gray Cast second strongest iron, 2100(F) Ductile Third strongest iron.

Iron has atomic number 26, atomic weight 55.85, and stable isotopes 54 (5.9%), 56 (91.6%), 57 (2.2%) and 58 (0.33%). Its electron configuration is Ar3d64s2, and its first and second ionization potentials are 7.87V and 16.18V.

Maybe if Konan had a focused it maybe not sure of the force of 6 billion paper bombs , not sure it if fire had mass but it doesn't it would be easy to tell who knows.
 
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