KKG can be learned.

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Onoki and Muu are a prime example since Muu isn't even Onoki's brother; there is no bloodline connection between the two. It is extremely difficult to learn without the bloodline, but it can be done. Most likely with some very special methods requiring overwhelming skill.

So this shows why it is not a plothole for Prime Hiruzen to know all Konoha Jutsu, even all the KKGs. Afterall, he is the Professor.

Yes Mate. So with this logic anyone can learn Kimimaro's KKG, "Shikotsumyaku."

There is a difference from something that is directly passed down from your bloodline and something that can be learned (KKT). KKG cannot be taught, as they are passed down from your bloodline.
 

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Dust release is Kekkei Tota. KKTS are NOT genetic, KKGs ARE. In other words, Sasuke has potential to learn Dust Release but not Lava release :)
 

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Some can be learned, some can't
 

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i'm sorry but i can't agree.....

by this logic this means even lee can unlock a rennigan.......? or that lee can learn to use wood style...


like it would be saying someone can learn how to use ashura or indra chalkra. Just because random shobi x wants it bad enough and trains hard enough he can learn to have indra or ashura chalkra.
 
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I think we can safely divide KKGs into three categories.

1. Abilities like Byakugan, Gentle Fist, Sharingan, Bone Manipulation, Magnet release, etc that require physical or genetic traits to use can't be 'learned', but can be acquired by means of genetic engineering, transfusion, transplantation, Chakra Infusion (rare ability, apparently) etc. Example: Ao, Kakashi, Naruto.

2. Abilities that depend solely on fusing two elements (including yin, yang and yinyang) like Lava release, Ice release, Scorch release, etc. may be learnable, but would take too long without natural talent (possibly more than a lifetime. Orochimaru perhaps saw this as a realistic goal, and wanted to live longer for the purpose). Acquired Chakra can also infer these abilities. Example of latter: Naruto. Of the former, Darui (his black lighting was taught by the Raikage, apparently)

3. Abilities that depend on fusing two elements, but also require physical or genetic traits can be acquired by a combination of genetic engineering, transfusion, transplantation, or chakra infusion AND learning by some means. Example: Madara, Obito, Naruto.

Bloodline Selection is basically a more advanced version of #2.

Of course, not all are made equally, and one can come to the same result through different means (3rd and 4th Kazekages both manipulated metal, but through different means).
 

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Blood limits like dojutsu or anything related to it, can't be learned. Things like sharingan, Byakugan, kimimaro bone ability, etc. are caused because of DNA. Although absorbing that DNA in should allow the user to use the blood limit, such as kakashi and kabuto. Any nature combination can technically be learned by anyone if they have the skill to do it, that is a big if.

That's completely false. Know why? Cause if elemental kkg's could be learned, then it goes without saying that a sharingan user would have been able to copy and use em, yet we know for a fact that it can't be done. Kakashi, a sharingan user, saw Haku's ice release kkg and told his students that he couldn't learn/copy that technique cause it's a kkg. Madara, a sharingan user, couldn't use Hashirama's jutsu that he saw with his sharingan until he implanted Hashi's dna into himself. So the fact remains, and manga has made it clear, you can't learn/copy a kkg, elemental or not elemental, same thing, you need the dna, manga has proved it.
 

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That's completely false. Know why? Cause if elemental kkg's could be learned, then it goes without saying that a sharingan user would have been able to copy and use em, yet we know for a fact that it can't be done. Kakashi, a sharingan user, saw Haku's ice release kkg and told his students that he couldn't learn/copy that technique cause it's a kkg. Madara, a sharingan user, couldn't use Hashirama's jutsu that he saw with his sharingan until he implanted Hashi's dna into himself. So the fact remains, and manga has made it clear, you can't learn/copy a kkg, elemental or not elemental, same thing, you need the dna, manga has proved it.

Hence why I said skill, if they were solely bound to genetics then mei, dodai, and kasuchi (ohnoki granddaughter) should be related since they all know lava release. Even more so with storm release with madara and darui.
 

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Dust release is Kekkei Tota. KKTS are NOT genetic, KKGs ARE. In other words, Sasuke has potential to learn Dust Release but not Lava release :)

yes & no.

KKGs are genetic. they cannot be learned

dust release, the only KKT, is genetic, so sasuke can't learn it.

dust release is the element fusion KKG that Onokis granddaughter, kurotsuchi has PLUS a secret technique of advancement
 
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