[VS] Kizaru vs Doflamingo

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He didn't shiver, he just breathed cold air in a grinned face
That whole scene was weird. Doffy knew he would get wrecked but still attacked smoker. What did he think Kuzan would do just stand there? And then he didn't even engage him in battle. And that whole doffy got frozen doesn't indicate at all how close to he was to dying. Maybe kuzan held off to not kill him or doffy just broke out of it easily. Wouldn't read to much into it. Anyway kizaru would mid diff him at most likely.
 

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That whole scene was weird. Doffy knew he would get wrecked but still attacked smoker. What did he think Kuzan would do just stand there? And then he didn't even engage him in battle. And that whole doffy got frozen doesn't indicate at all how close to he was to dying. Maybe kuzan held off to not kill him or doffy just broke out of it easily. Wouldn't read to much into it. Anyway kizaru would mid diff him at most likely.
It was really well done imo.

It managed to hype Doflamingo without making him or Kuzan look bad.

Doflamingo showed he wasn't going to simply take orders from anyone, so he stubbornly tried to finish Smoker off despite one of the top 10 strongest beings in One Piece standing behind him.

Kuzan showed how fast he was because he froze an entire stadium sized area before Mingo could even strike the guy he was directly ontop of.

But then Mingo moments later breaks out of the ice, and yet Oda draws him panting as to say it was easy but not all that easy. All this done when Kuzan looks extremely casual.

Then Doflamingo walks away but here is the thing, Doflamingo would walk away whether he was anywhere from Akainu level to Nami level.

Akainu level = 10 day fight while Law and Luffy are on the verge of ruining his entire business + shichibukai title

Nami level = Dies in less than a second.

So even if Doflamingo could beat Kuzan he would choose not to fight him because nobody in One Piece including Gol D Roger is beating Kuzan easily, at best it would take mingo 10 days and up to beat Kuzan. Him walking away tells us nothing about where he stands in the power scale. So him walking away manages to show respect for Kuzan's strength but at the same time takes nothing away from Doflamingo at all.

Later when Doflamingo leaves Kuzan starts hyping Doflamingo up by saying he is not like any other pirate and dealing with him will be Akainu's biggest task.

With an arc for Doflamingo coming up immediately it was important Oda doesn't make Doflamingo look weak but at the same time he couldn't just make an ex Marine Admiral take a fall in portrayal to hype Doflamingo. So it was actually very well done, effectively hyping Mingo before his arc while maintaining Kuzan in the pecking order. That scene was never supposed to be a negative for Mingo like people imply.
 

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It was really well done imo.

It managed to hype Doflamingo without making him or Kuzan look bad.

Doflamingo showed he wasn't going to simply take orders from anyone, so he stubbornly tried to finish Smoker off despite one of the top 10 strongest beings in One Piece standing behind him.

Kuzan showed how fast he was because he froze an entire stadium sized area before Mingo could even strike the guy he was directly ontop of.

But then Mingo moments later breaks out of the ice, and yet Oda draws him panting as to say it was easy but not all that easy. All this done when Kuzan looks extremely casual.

Then Doflamingo walks away but here is the thing, Doflamingo would walk away whether he was anywhere from Akainu level to Nami level.

Akainu level = 10 day fight while Law and Luffy are on the verge of ruining his entire business + shichibukai title

Nami level = Dies in less than a second.

So even if Doflamingo could beat Kuzan he would choose not to fight him because nobody in One Piece including Gol D Roger is beating Kuzan easily, at best it would take mingo 10 days and up to beat Kuzan. Him walking away tells us nothing about where he stands in the power scale. So him walking away manages to show respect for Kuzan's strength but at the same time takes nothing away from Doflamingo at all.

Later when Doflamingo leaves Kuzan starts hyping Doflamingo up by saying he is not like any other pirate and dealing with him will be Akainu's biggest task.

With an arc for Doflamingo coming up immediately it was important Oda doesn't make Doflamingo look weak but at the same time he couldn't just make an ex Marine Admiral take a fall in portrayal to hype Doflamingo. So it was actually very well done, effectively hyping Mingo before his arc while maintaining Kuzan in the pecking order. That scene was never supposed to be a negative for Mingo like people imply.
I'm pretty sure 10 day or 5 day fights only apply to two people who cancel each other out. Like Jinbe and Ace being water vs fire and Kuzan and Akainu being Ice vs Magma.

Its unlikely its going to take Luffy or whoever is fighting these guys 10 days to defeat them.
 

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I'm pretty sure 10 day or 5 day fights only apply to two people who cancel each other out. Like Jinbe and Ace being water vs fire and Kuzan and Akainu being Ice vs Magma.

Its unlikely its going to take Luffy or whoever is fighting these guys 10 days to defeat them.
Dorry and Broggy, its not only about elements but about how close you are. Luffy is never equals with his opponents, he fluctuates via boosted modes, thus his fights will never last long as he never relies on his base abilities.
 

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Dorry and Broggy, its not only about elements but about how close you are. Luffy is never equals with his opponents, he fluctuates via boosted modes, thus his fights will never last long as he never relies on his base abilities.
Wasn't Dorry and Broggy's multi-day fight just them doing a bunch of miscellaneous challenges and shit, like who could catch the biggest fish?
 

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It was really well done imo.

It managed to hype Doflamingo without making him or Kuzan look bad.

Doflamingo showed he wasn't going to simply take orders from anyone, so he stubbornly tried to finish Smoker off despite one of the top 10 strongest beings in One Piece standing behind him.

Kuzan showed how fast he was because he froze an entire stadium sized area before Mingo could even strike the guy he was directly ontop of.

But then Mingo moments later breaks out of the ice, and yet Oda draws him panting as to say it was easy but not all that easy. All this done when Kuzan looks extremely casual.

Then Doflamingo walks away but here is the thing, Doflamingo would walk away whether he was anywhere from Akainu level to Nami level.

Akainu level = 10 day fight while Law and Luffy are on the verge of ruining his entire business + shichibukai title

Nami level = Dies in less than a second.

So even if Doflamingo could beat Kuzan he would choose not to fight him because nobody in One Piece including Gol D Roger is beating Kuzan easily, at best it would take mingo 10 days and up to beat Kuzan. Him walking away tells us nothing about where he stands in the power scale. So him walking away manages to show respect for Kuzan's strength but at the same time takes nothing away from Doflamingo at all.

Later when Doflamingo leaves Kuzan starts hyping Doflamingo up by saying he is not like any other pirate and dealing with him will be Akainu's biggest task.

With an arc for Doflamingo coming up immediately it was important Oda doesn't make Doflamingo look weak but at the same time he couldn't just make an ex Marine Admiral take a fall in portrayal to hype Doflamingo. So it was actually very well done, effectively hyping Mingo before his arc while maintaining Kuzan in the pecking order. That scene was never supposed to be a negative for Mingo like people imply.
I agree with you on majority of your post except why he left... he left to find Luffy and law ... that's it he wanted to find them cuz of what they did it had nothing to do with Kuzan and him being strong af
 

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Wasn't Dorry and Broggy's multi-day fight just them doing a bunch of miscellaneous challenges and shit, like who could catch the biggest fish?
No they were fighting.

I agree with you on majority of your post except why he left... he left to find Luffy and law ... that's it he wanted to find them cuz of what they did it had nothing to do with Kuzan and him being strong af
No, he left because Kuzan was too strong to deal with when he had other things to currently worry about. Ofcourse strength plays a role, had it been someone significantly weaker he would have killed him and Smoker, then left to deal with Law and Luffy.
 

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Doflamingo is very underrated atm since he lost to luffy (Would of won a 1v1) but anyways i think Kizaru is just stronger and i cant see him winning against that light guy. Kizaru wins mid to high diff.
 

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No they were fighting.


No, he left because Kuzan was too strong to deal with when he had other things to currently worry about. Ofcourse strength plays a role, had it been someone significantly weaker he would have killed him and Smoker, then left to deal with Law and Luffy.
not even he did not leave because of strength the only reason he faught smoker is because he refused to tell him where luffy and law went...
also reguardless of strength it would waste time if doffy to fight akoiji

but he would def not win .. i get that but logically speaking and how everything was happening.. his main goal was to find the two .... why fight kuzan who does not have any information that he is seeking reguardless if hes top tier or on nami level it was a waste of time had nothing to do with strength..
 

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not even he did not leave because of strength the only reason he faught smoker is because he refused to tell him where luffy and law went...
also reguardless of strength it would waste time if doffy to fight akoiji

but he would def not win .. i get that but logically speaking and how everything was happening.. his main goal was to find the two .... why fight kuzan who does not have any information that he is seeking reguardless if hes top tier or on nami level it was a waste of time had nothing to do with strength..
So what you're telling me is if a Vice Admiral like Bastille was behind him he would walk away? Yea....no you're wrong.
 

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So what you're telling me is if a Vice Admiral like Bastille was behind him he would walk away? Yea....no you're wrong.
To add to this, Doflamingo was about to kill Smoker, Tashigi, and every single member of G-5 before going back to Dressrosa. If he was gonna take the time to kill a group of people that big, then it's obvious that he wouldn't have walked away for any weakling.
 

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So what you're telling me is if a Vice Admiral like Bastille was behind him he would walk away? Yea....no you're wrong.
He wanted to kill everyone there to make sure it doesn't get out that he killed off smoker


I agree kuzan >>> doffy however he was pressed for time if the VA was there it wouldn't make a difference so yeah he would kill her m too not because of his rank but because he wouldn't have to waste a lot of time to do so

However with akoiji even if he could win it would take a shit ton of time to take him out ... which he didn't have because his sad machine got destroyed and even if he has one on dress rosa his supply would still falter due to him not having both machines . And we all know he doesn't wanna deal with kaido
 

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He wanted to kill everyone there to make sure it doesn't get out that he killed off smoker


I agree kuzan >>> doffy however he was pressed for time if the VA was there it wouldn't make a difference so yeah he would kill her m too not because of his rank but because he wouldn't have to waste a lot of time to do so

However with akoiji even if he could win it would take a shit ton of time to take him out ... which he didn't have because his sad machine got destroyed and even if he has one on dress rosa his supply would still falter due to him not having both machines . And we all know he doesn't wanna deal with kaido
Then you wasted my time. You clearly didn't read my post.
 

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Then you wasted my time. You clearly didn't read my post.

Both Doffy and Kuzan are OP now Move on...

Any other villain was utterly hammered by Luffy but Doffy is the only one who shook anything Luffy gave him and still went on other loads upon loads of help where on Luffy's side. The closest thing to him is Robi Lucci

We all know Kuzan is > Doffy but not that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doffy...
All Doffy's portraits show he isn't that far below Admirals
 

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Both Doffy and Kuzan are OP now Move on...

Any other villain was utterly hammered by Luffy but Doffy is the only one who shook anything Luffy gave him and still went on other loads upon loads of help where on Luffy's side. The closest thing to him is Robi Lucci

We all know Kuzan is > Doffy but not that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doffy...
All Doffy's portraits show he isn't that far below Admirals
Can you not quote me this nonsense when I made a giant ass post already addressing this? You and Devia Pueri alike.
 
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