[VS] Kizaru vs Doflamingo

[Cursed Prince]

First of all, Kuzan's hands being in his pockets means absolutely nothing. Kuzan doesn't have a power that requires him to physically exert himself. He froze miles upon miles of water for five whole days just by dipping his fingers inside.

Kuzan warned him, but Doflamingo took his attention off of Kuzan and put it back on Smoker, as Kuzan froze him while he was delivering another attack to Smoker. Nothing indicates that Doflamingo took so much time to break that it'd be a window for Kuzan to attack him, not to mention that nothing indicates that Doflamingo couldn't have avoided it if he was paying attention to Kuzan instead of Smoker.


Power-scaling. Kizaru could stand up to Whitebeard and keep him from moving forward, but you think he's less tough that Luffy? Kizaru took a kick from Marco, someone who could push Akainu, and didn't receive a scratch, but Lufy was injured by someone who can't beat Admirals(Doflamingo).

Luffy is above all the Admirals in brute strength? So you think Luffy is above Whitebeard too in brute strength?

Yeah I'm kinda starting to agree with you, I forgot Kizaru could fight with Rayleigh and still be playing around, so his physical strength does have to be quite high. I would still say that yes, in terms of brute strength(by that I mean physical strength) Luffy has shown enough power to fight with Whitebeard, in Gear 4th at least. He couldn't win because of whitebeard's devil fruit abilities but punch for punch, he is as strong as Whitebeard. I mean shit he was flinging Doflamingo, who would use armament to protect himself, for miles

 

[Clouds]

First of all, Kuzan's hands being in his pockets means absolutely nothing. Kuzan doesn't have a power that requires him to physically exert himself. He froze miles upon miles of water for five whole days just by dipping his fingers inside.

Kuzan warned him, but Doflamingo took his attention off of Kuzan and put it back on Smoker, as Kuzan froze him while he was delivering another attack to Smoker. Nothing indicates that Doflamingo took so much time to break that it'd be a window for Kuzan to attack him, not to mention that nothing indicates that Doflamingo couldn't have avoided it if he was paying attention to Kuzan instead of Smoker.


Power-scaling. Kizaru could stand up to Whitebeard and keep him from moving forward, but you think he's less tough that Luffy? Kizaru took a kick from Marco, someone who could push Akainu, and didn't receive a scratch, but Lufy was injured by someone who can't beat Admirals(Doflamingo).

Luffy is above all the Admirals in brute strength? So you think Luffy is above Whitebeard too in brute strength?

It does indicate the amount of effort put into the ''fight'' because i highly doubt he fought the same way against Akainu. Also Doflamingo didn't completely change his attention to Smoker. Because Kuzan warned him and he still went through with it. He knew what would happened. So with that in mind he attacked Smoker anyway. Also this is Kuzan we're talking about he fought Akainu for 10 days straight . Doflamingo wouldn't last one.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It does indicate the amount of effort put into the ''fight'' because i highly doubt he fought the same way against Akainu. Also Doflamingo didn't completely change his attention to Smoker. Because Kuzan warned him and he still went through with it. He knew what would happened. So with that in mind he attacked Smoker anyway. Also this is Kuzan we're talking about he fought Akainu for 10 days straight . Doflamingo wouldn't last one.

No it doesn't. Kizaru fought Whitebeard by crossing his arms in front of his chest and touching the Bisento. He defeated Jozu by tapping him with his fingers. He attacked Ace and Luffy just by holding his arm towards them. And as stated before, he froze miles of water just by dipping his fingers in the water. In a fight, Kuzan will be required to move around to avoid attacks and to get a vantage point, but to actually use his techniques doesn't require any kind of physical exertion. Kuzan can create ice with his hands in pockets that are strong as someone else creating something with a kick full of power. That's just how Kuzan's power has been portrayed.

Doflamingo wasn't paying attention to Kuzan when Kuzan froze him. He was looking at Smoker and directing his attack on Smoker. None of his attention was on Kuzan when the attack hit.

 

[-Akuma-]

BOOY Kizaru mid-dif. If you think he gets pushed pass med-dif you must be reading Two Piece.

 

[ToshiZO]

No restrictions for Kizaru? How is this serious?

 

[Clouds]

No it doesn't. Kizaru fought Whitebeard by crossing his arms in front of his chest and touching the Bisento. He defeated Jozu by tapping him with his fingers. He attacked Ace and Luffy just by holding his arm towards them. And as stated before, he froze miles of water just by dipping his fingers in the water. In a fight, Kuzan will be required to move around to avoid attacks and to get a vantage point, but to actually use his techniques doesn't require any kind of physical exertion. Kuzan can create ice with his hands in pockets that are strong as someone else creating something with a kick full of power. That's just how Kuzan's power has been portrayed.

Doflamingo wasn't paying attention to Kuzan when Kuzan froze him. He was looking at Smoker and directing his attack on Smoker. None of his attention was on Kuzan when the attack hit.

None of these guys were remotely a threat to him.
And you think all of his attention was focused on smoker the dude that was on the verge of death? Either one he's really stupid or two hé overestimated himself and payed for it.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Kizaru one shots lol
Since when was Doflamingo Admiral/Yonko level lol

actually hes def close to it doffy without a doubt espeically with the showing of jack and cracker could contend with and be in the same category of a yonko's first mate/ commanders

 

[Punk Hazard]

None of these guys were remotely a threat to him.
And you think all of his attention was focused on smoker the dude that was on the verge of death? Either one he's really stupid or two hé overestimated himself and payed for it.

Jozu and Whitebeard aren't threats to Kuzan? Lok okay dude

 

[arv993]

None of these guys were remotely a threat to him.
And you think all of his attention was focused on smoker the dude that was on the verge of death? Either one he's really stupid or two hé overestimated himself and payed for it.

So why doesn't navy just let kizaru or kuzan to just run around and kill these yonko commanders who are apparently fodder.

 

[Bimbonium]

Kizaru takes this, on the Lower end of mid diff, Doffy can't keep up with kizaru's speed and there's the fact that kizaru can fight short range (using kicks), mid range (using his light sword) and long range (using his df) Also worth of note is his insanely op accuracy (he got the key from what I think is around 100m away), Honestly, without any restrictions, Kizaru's df is just too OP.

 

[bajram]

Its absolute bollocks to think that Doflamingo is strong enough to tangle with top tiers.

Kizaru take it low-mid diff at best.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Kizaru stomps and it's not even debatable trust me.

 

[chopstickchakra]

He was able to hold down Whitebeard's Bisento with one leg, just Akainu did. His light bullet was able to stop Whitebeard from proceeding onward, and was able to phase through a direct hit from Whitebeard despite him in all likelihood using Haki. He was able to clash with Marco, who was also able to stalemate Akainu.

So WB gets benefit of the doubt on haki but his protege doesn't? Haki bypasses a logia's phasing so how would Kizaru have phased passed an attack with haki?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Since doflamingo got nearly one shotted by Kuzan id give this to Kizaru low-mid diff.

Mingo laughed off that attack

 

[Bogard]

Lol was it supposed to be a joke? Kizaru mid diffs this clown at best

 

[Punk Hazard]

So WB gets benefit of the doubt on haki but his protege doesn't? Haki bypasses a logia's phasing so how would Kizaru have phased passed an attack with haki?

Yes, because there's proof that Whitebeard has Haki. This isn't benefit of the doubt of whether or not Whitebeard has Haki, it's the benefit of the doubt that he used it. Considering that when he went up against Aokiji and Akainu he used Haki, it stands that he'd more than likely use it against Kizaru, unless that was part of the moment his body was having a heart attack and he couldn't. Ace has nothing like this to back up him using Busoshoku, so get the **** outta my face.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yes, because there's proof that Whitebeard has Haki. This isn't benefit of the doubt of whether or not Whitebeard has Haki, it's the benefit of the doubt that he used it. Considering that when he went up against Aokiji and Akainu he used Haki, it stands that he'd more than likely use it against Kizaru, unless that was part of the moment his body was having a heart attack and he couldn't. Ace has nothing like this to back up him using Busoshoku, so get the **** outta my face.

This is most likely, if that attack was haki infused there's no in comic explanation as to how Kizaru would still be able to phase through it. So really Kizaru can't phase through an attack and we just assume the attacker used Haki because he had haki, having haki isn't a rule that it has to be used every single time regardless how little sense it would make to not use it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This is most likely, if that attack was haki infused there's no in comic explanation as to how Kizaru would still be able to phase through it. So really Kizaru can't phase through an attack and we just assume the attacker used Haki because he had haki, having haki isn't a rule that it has to be used every single time regardless how little sense it would make to not use it.

Akainu was able to phase through Marco's and Vista's Haki-infused attacks, so it's not impossible.

@Bold: That makes no sense. Why would anyone attack a Logia and not use Haki if they had the option to? In a WAR?

 

[Clouds]

Mingo laughed off that attack

He was shivering after that attack lel.

 

[HashiraMadara]

He was shivering after that attack lel.

He didn't shiver, he just breathed cold air in a grinned face