[Discussion] Kizaru is stronger than Akainu

[bajram]

C3 are all roughly on the same level, but portrayal wise and by story importance this is how I think it goes:

Akainu>Kuzan>Kizaru

 

[U mAd]

C3 are all roughly on the same level, but portrayal wise and by story importance this is how I think it goes:

Akainu>Kuzan>Kizaru

but potrayal vise kizaru should be better then kuzan.
since
1.akainu has taken on WB
2.kizaru-took on 1st mates(rayleigh,marco)
3.kuzan took on 1.jozu(doflamingo could stop this guy in his tracks)2.ace(BB defeated ace and BB's whole crew got done by magallen)3.non gear luffy

so potrayal is bull$hit .if anything they have been portrayed to be almost equal and kizaru has been shown to be as strong but he lacks the intelligence of the other 2 admirals so he wasn't nominated for F.admiral but his combat power has been shown to be no less or more then anyother.aokiji and akainu both got hit by WB and have recived some damage but i dont remember kizaru taking any kind of damage from anyone since his appearence.

 

[Punk Hazard]

but potrayal vise kizaru should be better then kuzan.
since
1.akainu has taken on WB
2.kizaru-took on 1st mates(rayleigh,marco)
3.kuzan took on 1.jozu(doflamingo could stop this guy in his tracks)2.ace(BB defeated ace and BB's whole crew got done by magallen)3.non gear luffy

so potrayal is bull$hit .if anything they have been portrayed to be almost equal and kizaru has been shown to be as strong but he lacks the intelligence of the other 2 admirals so he wasn't nominated for F.admiral but his combat power has been shown to be no less or more then anyother.aokiji and akainu both got hit by WB and have recived some damage but i dont remember kizaru taking any kind of damage from anyone since his appearence.

Don't forget Kizaru also took on Whitebeard and held down his Bisento with one leg. Twice.

 

[giostep]

There are so many variables in fights its hard to say which 2 people of the same tier will win. Yes Akainu beat Kuzan. That does not mean that he is stronger than Kizaru. The fact that Kuzan the Ice man put up a good fight against Akainu the Lava man is respectable and should be used to show Kuzan's strength. Kizaru's fruit wont have a natural disadvantage like Kuzan's may have had. By portrayal and rank Akainu is shown to be stronger than Kizaru, he is also alot more relevant that Kizaru, so far only Kuzan and Akainu have even been shown post TS. Only feats we have for them are what was shown in MF, and then we have the portrayal that has been shown. Kizau fought 2nd mate Silvers, 2nd mate Marco, 2nd mate Beckman. Akainu fought Captain WB, confronted by Captain Shanks, beat Admiral Kuzan. Kizaru has been shown to be just as destructive if not more destructive with his DF than almost any other user bar WB, if Kizaru wanted every single shot he uses can be extremely explosive and doesnt take as much charge time and more instantaneous than any other user, so we cant sleep on him either just because he hasn't beat anyone of Kizaru's strength on panel.

I agree with ToshiZo all the admirals are basically equal, they might have a slight advantage over another for various reasons, but for the most part they are basically equal.

 

[KingHashirama]

Fleet Admiral > Admiral.

but potrayal vise kizaru should be better then kuzan.
since
1.akainu has taken on WB
2.kizaru-took on 1st mates(rayleigh,marco)
3.kuzan took on 1.jozu(doflamingo could stop this guy in his tracks)2.ace(BB defeated ace and BB's whole crew got done by magallen)3.non gear luffy

so potrayal is bull$hit .if anything they have been portrayed to be almost equal and kizaru has been shown to be as strong but he lacks the intelligence of the other 2 admirals so he wasn't nominated for F.admiral but his combat power has been shown to be no less or more then anyother.aokiji and akainu both got hit by WB and have recived some damage but i dont remember kizaru taking any kind of damage from anyone since his appearence.

"portrayal is bullshit".. uh no. It depends on what you are using as portrayal and for who.

Garp is the only exception known to the whole "ranks" thing, that hes strong as an admiral despite not being an admiral. As for Kizaru not being as intelligent as the other 2 admirals.. lol, if that was the case he never would've been an admiral. Due to the mere fact they are the top of the marines. They aren't gonna pick an idiot to be an admiral.

Fleet admiral > admiral.

Sengoku would've whipped any of the admirals when he was the fleet Admiral.

Same concept now, Akainu is the strongest Marine living. And Kuzan is the one who has been showed to be only slightly below him.

There are so many variables in fights its hard to say which 2 people of the same tier will win. Yes Akainu beat Kuzan. That does not mean that he is stronger than Kizaru. The fact that Kuzan the Ice man put up a good fight against Akainu the Lava man is respectable and should be used to show Kuzan's strength. Kizaru's fruit wont have a natural disadvantage like Kuzan's may have had. By portrayal and rank Akainu is shown to be stronger than Kizaru, he is also alot more relevant that Kizaru, so far only Kuzan and Akainu have even been shown post TS. Only feats we have for them are what was shown in MF, and then we have the portrayal that has been shown. Kizau fought 2nd mate Silvers, 2nd mate Marco, 2nd mate Beckman. Akainu fought Captain WB, confronted by Captain Shanks, beat Admiral Kuzan. Kizaru has been shown to be just as destructive if not more destructive with his DF than almost any other user bar WB, if Kizaru wanted every single shot he uses can be extremely explosive and doesnt take as much charge time and more instantaneous than any other user, so we cant sleep on him either just because he hasn't beat anyone of Kizaru's strength on panel.

I agree with ToshiZo all the admirals are basically equal, they might have a slight advantage over another for various reasons, but for the most part they are basically equal.

Ice and magma in this case have shown to be equal.

As Ice will freeze magma and magma will melt ice.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Fleet Admiral=Admiral who's in charge of everyone else

 

[ToshiZO]

Fleet Admiral > Admiral.


"portrayal is bullshit".. uh no. It depends on what you are using as portrayal and for who.

Garp is the only exception known to the whole "ranks" thing, that hes strong as an admiral despite not being an admiral. As for Kizaru not being as intelligent as the other 2 admirals.. lol, if that was the case he never would've been an admiral. Due to the mere fact they are the top of the marines. They aren't gonna pick an idiot to be an admiral.

Fleet admiral > admiral.

Sengoku would've whipped any of the admirals when he was the fleet Admiral.

Same concept now, Akainu is the strongest Marine living. And Kuzan is the one who has been showed to be only slightly below him.


Ice and magma in this case have shown to be equal.

As Ice will freeze magma and magma will melt ice.

Lol go back to debating Naruto.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol go back to debating Naruto.

I will leave that to you.

Fleet Admiral=Admiral who's in charge of everyone else

Fleet Admiral = Rank above admiral.

Fleet admiral =/= admiral.

Fleet Admiral is the leader of the entire marines.

Oda makes a clear distinction between the 2 ranks.

 

[TheHokage]

Akainu is clearly stronger. Perhaps if Kizaru had a personality similar to Akainu things would be different however both feats and portrayal point towards Akainu being the strongest of the 3 Marineford Admirals.

Akainu fights Whitebeard
Kizaru fights Marco
Aokiji fights Jozu

 

[Punk Hazard]

I will leave that to you.



Fleet Admiral = Rank above admiral.

Fleet admiral =/= admiral.

Fleet Admiral is the leader of the entire marines.

Oda makes a clear distinction between the 2 ranks.

If the difference between Fleet Admiral and Admiral is that FA leads the entire Marines, then the difference is leadership qualities, not strength. Akainu and Kuzan settled it with a fight because they both have the leadership qualities.

Akainu is clearly stronger. Perhaps if Kizaru had a personality similar to Akainu things would be different however both feats and portrayal point towards Akainu being the strongest of the 3 Marineford Admirals.

Akainu fights Whitebeard
Kizaru fights Marco
Aokiji fights Jozu

You do realize Kizaru also engaged Whitebeard and damaged him more than once? Kizaru landed two hits on him and held down his Bisento with one leg. Akainu also landed two hits, but only one Admiral left unscathed. While Whitebeard was motivated by how pissed he was at Akainu, his desire to stop Ace from being executed should be just as strong as his anger at Ace being executed.

 

[Magi]

I'm pretty sure their equal.. Along with Fujitora. Either way the fights extreme diff

 

[Phoenix110]

I'd definitely say that Akainu is stronger than Kizaru. Kizaruis strong but Akainu is clearly stronger

 

[giostep]

[/QUOTE]Ice and magma in this case have shown to be equal.

As Ice will freeze magma and magma will melt ice.[/QUOTE]

Where was this stated and shown? If you have a scan or chapter that will be great.