[Discussion] Kizaru is stronger than Akainu

[ToshiZO]

Akainu = Kizaru = Kuzan (Personally I believe Akainu has higher chances of beating Kuzan, Kuzan has higher chances against Kizaru, and Kizaru has higher chances of beating Akainu . So its like this Akainu (>)= Aokiji (>)= Kizaru (>)= Akainu)

but if I HAD to rank it

1.Akainu (Superior Portrayal over both, Beat Kuzan)
2.Kizaru (arguably better portrayal than Kuzan)
3.Kuzan (Lost a leg while Kizaru hasn't suffered any drawbacks)

People quickly hop on the akainu wank honestly, they both shown equal feats in every area whether its haki or brute strength

What do you mean Akainu wank? He beat another Admiral on his level. He has the best portrayal. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying Akainu beats Kizaru.

 

[-Akuma-]

Akainu = Kizaru = Kuzan (Personally I believe Akainu has higher chances of beating Kuzan, Kuzan has higher chances against Kizaru, and Kizaru has higher chances of beating Akainu . So its like this Akainu (>)= Aokiji (>)= Kizaru (>)= Akainu)

but if I HAD to rank it

1.Akainu (Superior Portrayal over both, Beat Kuzan)
2.Kizaru (arguably better portrayal than Kuzan)
3.Kuzan (Lost a leg while Kizaru hasn't suffered any drawbacks)




What do you mean Akainu wank? He beat another Admiral on his level. He has the best portrayal. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying Akainu beats Kizaru.

Kizaru has been in serious fights with another top tier that's why he's fine, Kuzan and Akainu have better portrayal.

 

[ToshiZO]

Kizaru has been in serious fights with another top tier that's why he's fine, Kuzan and Akainu have better portrayal.

Thats irrelevant...Im saying Kuzan lost a leg which can play a part in his battles against other top tiers. His whole run as a top tier he's had both legs and now he's down to 1. It could become a factor in a long serious battle.

And whether or not Kuzan has the portrayal edge is arguable. Simply because when they were side by side, Kizaru was always matched up against the 2nd strongest.

I always felt Kizaru is the middle man between the Logia trio and Oda hinted at this.

-His personality(Akainu = Hot headed tryhard , Kizaru = Relaxed tryhard, Kuzan = Just chill (lazy) and relaxed)
-His powers (Akainu one extreme = Lava (heat), Kizaru unrelated to the two, Aokiji is on the other end of the spectrum = ICE)
-His mindset as a Marine (Akainu = Radical, Kizaru = completely neutral just does what he is asked, Kuzan = tolerant)
-his order of appearance (Shown 2nd)
-the opponents he is matched up with (Rayleigh (2nd man), Marco (2nd man), Ben Beckman(2nd man))

EDIT: Are you Burning Heat from MF?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Akainu = Kizaru = Kuzan (Personally I believe Akainu has higher chances of beating Kuzan, Kuzan has higher chances against Kizaru, and Kizaru has higher chances of beating Akainu . So its like this Akainu (>)= Aokiji (>)= Kizaru (>)= Akainu)

but if I HAD to rank it

1.Akainu (Superior Portrayal over both, Beat Kuzan)
2.Kizaru (arguably better portrayal than Kuzan)
3.Kuzan (Lost a leg while Kizaru hasn't suffered any drawbacks)




What do you mean Akainu wank? He beat another Admiral on his level. He has the best portrayal. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying Akainu beats Kizaru.

So him beating kuzan should magically justify his superiority over kizaru? cool logic man,.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

This could be irrelevant but....

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The Gorosei called Aokiji the strongest of Marine HQ and that included Akainu and Kizaru.

Sengoku and Garp reside in Mariejois so they were not included and Akainu barely beat Aokiji. So far, Akainu>/=Kuzan>=Kizaru and Akainu obviously had the best portrayal of being the strongest. Don't know why that factor is debated.

 

[ToshiZO]

So him beating kuzan should magically justify his superiority over kizaru? cool logic man,.

Honestly it should. Whats Kizaru done? Akainu is the one who beat another top tier of equal rank so he should have priority.

BUT lets completely ignore that just for the sake of argument. Even before he beat Kuzan you'd have to be brain dead to think Akainu doesn't have the superior portrayal.

He is the one that was matched up against two Yonkou captains (

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The dude is literally sitting in the

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gets to be in the middle. I don't even need to see anything past this tbh. Soon as I saw that one panel I knew he takes priority over the others

This could be irrelevant but....

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The Gorosei called Aokiji the strongest of Marine HQ and that included Akainu and Kizaru.

Sengoku and Garp reside in Mariejois so they were not included and Akainu barely beat Aokiji. So far, Akainu>/=Kuzan>=Kizaru and Akainu obviously had the best portrayal of being the strongest. Don't know why that factor is debated.

I remember that. But there is nothing wrong with that statement. An Admiral means you are the strongest man in the Navy. This is why I keep saying Akainu = Kizaru = Aokiji. All 3 are the peak of the Navy (were).

And im pretty sure Viz has it as "Greatest power in the Navy" Which only further proves my statement.

 

[HODGYLONG]

Akainu is the most hyped admiral shown by these instances:
1.Oda said that if he was the protagonist he could find one piece in a year.
2.He fought another admiral and spared him(high diff).
3.He took 2 of whitebeard's strongest quakes and got back up like it was nothing.
4.His haki is strong enough to cancel out a yonko's first mate and divison leader's haki.
5.He fought against other big names in the war after all of this.
6.Blackbeard decided to not fight akainu even though he had his entire crew and akainu was alone.
Oda hasn't given any similar feats to any other admiral, so its obivious that he wants akainu to stand out the most among them.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Honestly it should. Whats Kizaru done? Akainu is the one who beat another top tier of equal rank so he should have priority.

Akainu beat no one that was in kizaru's level, in fact he beat no one significant other than kuzan who he fought for 10 whole days .

BUT lets completely ignore that just for the sake of argument. Even before he beat Kuzan you'd have to be brain dead to think Akainu doesn't have the superior portrayal.

Not really, portrayal was implying that the three of them were on the same level

He is the one that was matched up against two Yonkou captains (

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Kizaru matched WB as well

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And he clashed with shankes, he didn't match him. By your logic that random bandit that pushed shankes in the bar did match his power as well...sanji clashed with doffy as well did that mean they were on the same level?

The dude is literally sitting in the

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gets to be in the middle. I don't even need to see anything past this tbh. Soon as I saw that one panel I knew he takes priority over the others

Fair pint but even that has some exceptions as well, you guys make it seem as if there was this huge implication in the manga that showed akainu to be superior while in fact there simply isn't, But even if we go by the so called "potral" by actual feats they're equal. I just personally wish if people would stick to the portrayal logic in other topic like snaji vs zoro, the battel where everyone throws portrayal awa, or shankes vs mihawk where also ignore portrayal.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I laugh ever time i hear people say Kizaru moved at light speed. Kizaru would shit on Kuzan he can reflect through all of his ice he has projectiles plus he should logically have a speed advantage.​

This could be irrelevant but....

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The Gorosei called Aokiji the strongest of Marine HQ and that included Akainu and Kizaru.

Sengoku and Garp reside in Mariejois so they were not included and Akainu barely beat Aokiji. So far, Akainu>/=Kuzan>=Kizaru and Akainu obviously had the best portrayal of being the strongest. Don't know why that factor is debated.

It was only hype because he was the first Admiral shown. There's also the fact that out of all the Admirals that attacked WB he got shat on the most. He was splattered in the air then almost got WB sharp staff/stick thing through the chest. Kizaru toyed with WB while blasting a hole right through him. Akainu whipped out half of his face also.​

 

[ToshiZO]

Akainu beat no one that was in kizaru's level, in fact he beat no one significant other than kuzan who he fought for 10 whole days .

Hahaha I was drinking something and I almost spit my drink out, this is sig worthy. Who did Shanks beat? Who did WB beat? Who did Sengoku beat? Who did Shiki beat? Who did Kaido beat? Who did Roger beat? Who did Rayleigh beat? Who did Marco beat? I can go on forever, among all top tiers Akainu has the biggest W to this day. And you just said Aokiji was not on Kizarus level? Hahaha I haven't laughed this hard in these forums in a while man.

Not really, portrayal was implying that the three of them were on the same level

And then you say this right after loool you just said "Akainu beat no one that was in Kizaru's level" Dude I don't think you're serious right now or you are drunk.

Kizaru matched WB as well

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And he clashed with shankes, he didn't match him. By your logic that random bandit that pushed shankes in the bar did match his power as well...sanji clashed with doffy as well did that mean they were on the same level?

You didn't get me I didn't say matched as in tied them I meant Oda matched them up together.

Fair pint but even that has some exceptions as well, you guys make it seem as if there was this huge implication in the manga that showed akainu to be superior while in fact there simply isn't, But even if we go by the so called "potral" by actual feats they're equal. I just personally wish if people would stick to the portrayal logic in other topic like snaji vs zoro, the battel where everyone throws portrayal awa, or shankes vs mihawk where also ignore portrayal.

Well good thing Im not one of those people, portrayal is especially important when there aren't too many feats to go by.

Anyways you made me laugh I'll give you that but I know you weren't serious with that post.

 

[Black Mamba]

Akainu is stronger. Kizaru was having trouble against Marco and got pushed back, while Akainu was easily pushing Marco back + he was fighting him with the other commanders.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Hahaha I was drinking something and I almost spit my drink out, this is sig worthy. Who did Shanks beat? Who did WB beat? Who did Sengoku beat? Who did Shiki beat? Who did Kaido beat? Who did Roger beat? Who did Rayleigh beat? Who did Marco beat? I can go on forever, among all top tiers Akainu has the biggest W to this day. And you just said Aokiji was not on Kizarus level? Hahaha I haven't laughed this hard in these forums in a while man.

And then you say this right after loool you just said "Akainu beat no one that was in Kizaru's level" Dude I don't think you're serious right now or you are drunk.


You didn't get me I didn't say matched as in tied them I meant Oda matched them up together.

Well good thing Im not one of those people, portrayal is especially important when there aren't too many feats to go by.

Anyways you made me laugh I'll give you that but I know you weren't serious with that post.

No, actually I'm quite serious, akainu beat no one significant other than from kuzan who took him 10 days to beat, and no I ever claimed that kizaru wasn't on kuzan's level, I just merely stated that just akainu beat him doesn't automatically put him above kizaru. WB had the best feat by beating akainu. There's also sengoku who easily shitstomped the entire BB crew with one shockwave, if he had continued some serious rape would have happened ].

 

[ToshiZO]

No, actually I'm quite serious, akainu beat no one significant other than from kuzan who took him 10 days to beat, and no I ever claimed that kizaru wasn't on kuzan's level, I just merely stated that just akainu beat him doesn't automatically put him above kizaru. WB had the best feat by beating akainu. There's also sengoku who easily shitstomped the entire BB crew with one shockwave, if he had continued some serious rape would have happened ].

What's this then?: "Akainu beat no one that was in kizaru's level"

WB didn't beat Akainu in a full fight, that way I can just say Akainu beat WB the first round as well. WB put Akainu on the ground, thats not considered beating someone you know how many times a character has been put to the ground in a fight? Heres an

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Sengoku's fight wasn't concluded.

So yea Akainu holds the biggest W in One Piece in terms of beating someone in a full fight. How are you gonna brush that off lol.....who else does he need to beat lol. Lets compare his resume to any one else in One Piece in terms of fighting and beating someone c'mon give me an example.

Shanks beat ...who?
WB beat...Crocodile, VA Ronse, VA John Giant
Kizaru beat...who?
bring out a list of top tiers and compare.

Akainu beat Kuzan that is the biggest name someone has beaten 1v1 canonically in a full fight in the entire series.

 

[nacrose]

when it comes to two logia users fighting, the one with better haki wins and we havent
seen haki of either of them......... so i assume akainu has better haki coz he is a fleet admiral..

 

[Venomous Cobra]

What's this then?: "Akainu beat no one that was in kizaru's level"

Read the rest of the sentece for god's sake, I mentioned kuzan myself and I did give that feat to akainu with no complaints, the problem was from you thinking
"just because akainu defeated kuzan, he could probably beat kizzaru too"
WB didn't beat Akainu in a full fight, that way I can just say Akainu beat WB the first round as well. WB put Akainu on

the ground, thats not considered beating someone you know how many times a character has been put to the ground in a fight? Heres an

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Yes it's very much considered winning, WB left the fight with akainu not being able to stand up, he immobilized him which one of the most popular ways to end a fight

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Akainu couldn't get up

Sengoku's fight wasn't concluded.

Sanji vs doffy wasn't concluded as well, luffy vs mihawk wasn't concluded. That still doesn't mean that the outcome wasn't obvious

So yea Akainu holds the biggest W in One Piece in terms of beating someone in a full fight. How are you gonna brush that off lol.....who else does he need to beat lol. Lets compare his resume to any one else in One Piece in terms of fighting and beating someone c'mon give me an example.

I don't need to, your point is irrational, just because you have beaten one of the strongest character in the verse doesn;t magically put above another person who was never implied to be completely equal to the one you defeated. Kizaru by feats is stronger than kuzan, and thus you cannot expect the same outcome here. Kizaru and kuzan are not the same person so stop making seem as if they are. Luffy defeated the strongest person on east blur aka don kreig yet he was pushed harder by arlong who was stronger, power level change throughout the time, sticking up with one fight feat which was barely even attained by akainu isn't the best argument here

Shanks beat ...who?

No one, but he still blocked a haki magma punch with a mere sword block with one hand, now what?

WB beat...Crocodile, VA Ronse, VA John Giant

And akainu

Kizaru beat...who?

It doesn;t matter who he defeated, I never seen anyone judging the strength of two people by their win/lost ratio, but that logic shankes would be inferior to luffy due not beating anyone smh

Akainu beat Kuzan that is the biggest name someone has beaten 1v1 canonically in a full fight in the entire series.

No not by feats, kizaru has a good chance of beating him, kuzan gets defeated by both but still extreme diff.

 

[A v i]

Akainu's portrayal is superior. Apparently Kizaru is reserved for Sanji since their fighting styles are similar so I guess we can safely say that Akainu is stronger as he's assumed to be Luffy's opponent.

 

[U mAd]

ok kizaru is too underrated.he has the most op DF shown.yet,he's was the only one able to hit whitebeard and not get hit in return at the war.he's potrayed to be easy going.this dosn't make him weak.if he wanted to he could have taken out the strawhats weather rayleigh came or not.,pretty sure if kizaru went all out most of the strawhats would have died.the guy has yet shown like 3 techniques in all his showings and have not ever fought seriously so i doubt we can judge his powers yet.he might be weaker or stronger then akainu but he would give one hell of a fight.

 

[ToshiZO]

Read the rest of the sentece for god's sake, I mentioned kuzan myself and I did give that feat to akainu with no complaints, the problem was from you thinking
"just because akainu defeated kuzan, he could probably beat kizzaru too"
WB didn't beat Akainu in a full fight, that way I can just say Akainu beat WB the first round as well. WB put Akainu on
Yes it's very much considered winning, WB left the fight with akainu not being able to stand up, he immobilized him which one of the most popular ways to end a fight

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Akainu couldn't get up



Sanji vs doffy wasn't concluded as well, luffy vs mihawk wasn't concluded. That still doesn't mean that the outcome wasn't obvious

I don't need to, your point is irrational, just because you have beaten one of the strongest character in the verse doesn;t magically put above another person who was never implied to be completely equal to the one you defeated. Kizaru by feats is stronger than kuzan, and thus you cannot expect the same outcome here. Kizaru and kuzan are not the same person so stop making seem as if they are. Luffy defeated the strongest person on east blur aka don kreig yet he was pushed harder by arlong who was stronger, power level change throughout the time, sticking up with one fight feat which was barely even attained by akainu isn't the best argument here

No one, but he still blocked a haki magma punch with a mere sword block with one hand, now what?

And akainu

It doesn;t matter who he defeated, I never seen anyone judging the strength of two people by their win/lost ratio, but that logic shankes would be inferior to luffy due not beating anyone smh



No not by feats, kizaru has a good chance of beating him, kuzan gets defeated by both but still extreme diff.

1.Reading the rest of this sentence doesn't mean anything

Akainu beat no one that was in kizaru's level, in fact he beat no one significant other than kuzan who he fought for 10 whole days .

Infact reading the rest makes your statement even clearer. haha you clearly stated Kuzan was not on Kizarus level.

2. Akainu couldn't get up? Lol Akainu clearly could since he was fighting Marco and the other commanders from WB's crew after......

Can you point to me where Akainu couldn't get up lol? He was falling down in 1 panel and that equals he can't get up? Wow Luffy, Zoro, Sanji lost all their fights where they fell first I guess.

3. Shanks blocked a magma punch? lol wha? You said this " in fact he beat no one significant other than kuzan who he fought for 10 whole days ." Clearly alluding to the fact that he needed to beat someone else for it to be impressive. So I asked you name me the resumes of any character in One Piece who beat someone in a full 1v1 fight that is better than Akainus.

To this point you couldn't name me one character.....

Meaning your downplaying of Akainu beating Kuzan looks ridiculous considering its the best victory any character has in the whole damn show.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

1.Reading the rest of this sentence doesn't mean anything Infact reading the rest makes your statement even clearer. haha you clearly stated Kuzan was not on Kizarus level.

It doesn't,I cleary said"other than kuzan"......

2. Akainu couldn't get up? Lol Akainu clearly could since he was fighting Marco and the other commanders from WB's crew after......

ehmm he couldn't continue the fight which an automatic win for WB, instead he ran after luffy.

Can you point to me where Akainu couldn't get up lol?

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Here the rock of which he's laying on is droping down due WBs power and akainu can't do anything about amd in result, he falls just like the others

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He was falling down in 1 panel and that equals he can't get up? Wow Luffy, Zoro, Sanji lost all their fights where they fell first I guess.

He couldn;t get up, plus he was unable to finish the fight, instead he ran after luffy knowing that he can beat angry WB"

3. Shanks blocked a magma punch? lol wha? You said this " in fact he beat no one significant other than kuzan who he fought for 10 whole days ." Clearly alluding to the fact that he needed to beat someone else for it to be impressive.

Just because you thought I implied that doesn't mean that I actually meant it, You kept repeating that akainu was stronger due beating stronger opponents which was clearly false since akainu defeated no other person that is on kizaru's level other than kuzan who is clearly not equal to kizaru

So I asked you name me the resumes of any character in One Piece who beat someone in a full 1v1 fight that is better than Akainus.

I didn't need to, as I clearly explained to you why your reasoning was pointless since even east blue luffy defeated pirates who ever shankes wasn;t shown to beat, which by you logic means that east blue luff>shankes..........

To this point you couldn't name me one character.....

Akainu was defeated by WB man.

Meaning your downplaying of Akainu beating Kuzan looks ridiculous considering its the best victory any character has in the whole damn show.

Having the best victory in the show(although it's bullshit since WB clearly defeated akainu) doesn't even give him one feat battel-wsie that can put him above kizzaru.

 

[ToshiZO]

It doesn't,I cleary said"other than kuzan"......

ehmm he couldn't continue the fight which an automatic win for WB, instead he ran after luffy.

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Here the rock of which he's laying on is droping down due WBs power and akainu can't do anything about amd in result, he falls just like the others

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He couldn;t get up, plus he was unable to finish the fight, instead he ran after luffy knowing that he can beat angry WB"

Just because you thought I implied that doesn't mean that I actually meant it, You kept repeating that akainu was stronger due beating stronger opponents which was clearly false since akainu defeated no other person that is on kizaru's level other than kuzan who is clearly not equal to kizaru

I didn't need to, as I clearly explained to you why your reasoning was pointless since even east blue luffy defeated pirates who ever shankes wasn;t shown to beat, which by you logic means that east blue luff>shankes..........

Akainu was defeated by WB man.


Having the best victory in the show(although it's bullshit since WB clearly defeated akainu) doesn't even give him one feat battel-wsie that can put him above kizzaru.

You are not serious. Anyone who has followed this convo will know you have got to be trolling with some of this.