Kitsuchi versus Kakuzu

[KidGamer65]

Lol? Gaara's sand isn't even an element?

So what? That is how controlling objects works. Element is irrelevant.

]I don't think you understand that there is a change in chakra nature and form, form is the earth, nature is the chakra controlling the form.

Its pretty apparent that you are forgetting this .-.

Wrong. Nature and Shape Transformation are the two things needed to make Jutsu. The EARTH IS THE NATURE. What the EARTH becomes is the shape. The element is always the result of the NATURE TRANSFORMATION. Shape Transformation without Nature is just a transformation of the form of regular, natureless chakra. Example: Rasengan.

Nature makes the chakra the element Earth. Nature is what makes the Earth itself. Shape is what changes the shape, size and overall power of that Earth.

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The lightning itself is the Nature Transformation. The shape and range of the lightning is the shape transformation. Chidori is shape transformation. Streaming Raiton through a sword is not.

My green playdoh is my nature transformation. Me changing it into a pole is shape transformation.

 

[Zexion~]

So what? That is how controlling objects works. Element is irrelevant.



Wrong. Nature and Shape Transformation are the two things needed to make Jutsu. The EARTH IS THE NATURE. What the EARTH becomes is the shape. The element is always the result of the NATURE TRANSFORMATION. Shape Transformation without Nature is just a transformation of the form of regular, natureless chakra. Example: Rasengan.

Nature makes the chakra the element Earth. Nature is what makes the Earth itself. Shape is what changes the shape, size and overall power of that Earth.

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The lightning itself is the Nature Transformation. The shape and range of the lightning is the shape transformation. Chidori is shape transformation. Streaming Raiton through a sword is not.

My green playdoh is my nature transformation. Me changing it into a pole is shape transformation.

.-. No? That only applies if you're making the doton yourself, the change in chakra nature is needed to control the doton element, non doton users can't push their own chakra into other Dotons/Earth in general because they don't have that affinity. I'm starting to see what you're saying but at the same time it still takes the affinity to control the element.

 

[super yang]

chidori is purely nature manipulation; a concentration of elemental transformation at the point where chakra primarily is released, the hands

rasengan & chidori are not related, they are polar opposites.

this is why combining nature & shape perfectly got so much hype(w/ training arc & trolling kakuzu) resulting in FRS

earth wall/mountain sandwhich is purely nature manipulation as well (& incidentally, so is jin'ton, in spite of its crude ''shapes'')
earth is naturally a rigid element, so I can see a fundamental conclusion being thrown off by this, but no( and no, the shaped dog faces on kakashis earth wall, a fanservice, don't challenge this point)

not until rock fist, earth style clones & stone golems is the addition of shape manipulation present

no, i'm not oblivious to the literal contradictions based on definitions of the words ''shape'' & form.
but such is the nature of fiction, fancy & fantasy.

just because chakra is given form, does not make it shape manipulation/spatial recomposition

 

[KidGamer65]

.-. No? That only applies if you're making the doton yourself, the change in chakra nature is needed to control the doton element, non doton users can't push their own chakra into other Dotons/Earth in general because they don't have that affinity. I'm starting to see what you're saying but at the same time it still takes the affinity to control the element.

Which is based on literally nothing. There are only two changes. Shape change and Nature change. Nature Change is the physical manifestation of the element after it's been converted into said element from chakra. There is no "using the change in chakra nature to control Earth". Lmao. How many times do I have to say this? Having the affinity to control Earth using Doton Jutsu doesn't prove, hint or imply that the person is using some "Doton Chakra" to control the Earth. You have no point, or at the very most a small one.

 

[Icelerate]

By feats kitsuchi? lol.

By portrayal kitsuchi? Sure boy, The portrayal of a S-rank pioneer of inmortality and a member of the famous akatsuki < The portrayal of a barely known Jonnin.

Man this is starting to bug me, you know absolutely nothing about Kitsuchi.

Kitsuchi's 4th Databook Entry

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Village: Kitsuchi
Aldea: Iwagakure
Rank: Jōnin
Ninja registry number: IW-O6112
Date of Birth: March 22nd (Age 44, Aries)
Height: 217.0 cm
Weight: 120.5 kg
Blood Type: O

His strong arm and earth manipulation that he uses to slaughter the enemy is famous throughout the entire world!

Mountains are split by the release of his earth Jutsu, to start rock is gathered into his fist and than is used to strike the enemy sending them flying! His strength comes from the blood of the Tsuchikage, during the 4th Ninja war his fame rose even further. He lead 10,000 Shinobi, his true strength was made apparent all over the world, the strength to make the spirits of his fellow countrymen rise (basically to rally them).

Despite the Bijuu chakra coiling around that person, he (Kitscuhi) pushed his fist in deeply delivering a sturdy blow! His power, is the ability to deliver a heavy weight class blow.

Just messing with you, I know this is an old post.

 

[EZQ]

Man this is starting to bug me, you know absolutely nothing about Kitsuchi.

Kitsuchi's 4th Databook Entry

Spoiler

Village: Kitsuchi
Aldea: Iwagakure
Rank: Jōnin
Ninja registry number: IW-O6112
Date of Birth: March 22nd (Age 44, Aries)
Height: 217.0 cm
Weight: 120.5 kg
Blood Type: O

His strong arm and earth manipulation that he uses to slaughter the enemy is famous throughout the entire world!

Mountains are split by the release of his earth Jutsu, to start rock is gathered into his fist and than is used to strike the enemy sending them flying! His strength comes from the blood of the Tsuchikage, during the 4th Ninja war his fame rose even further. He lead 10,000 Shinobi, his true strength was made apparent all over the world, the strength to make the spirits of his fellow countrymen rise (basically to rally them).

Despite the Bijuu chakra coiling around that person, he (Kitscuhi) pushed his fist in deeply delivering a sturdy blow! His power, is the ability to deliver a heavy weight class blow.

Just messing with you, I know this is an old post.

Lmaoo ice stfu, this is old af.

edit: lol just saw the white thing

 

[Zexion~]

Earth Sandwich takes way too long, Kakuzu takes this quite easily.

 

[DrProof]

Earth Sandwich takes way too long, Kakuzu takes this quite easily.

Not that it would hit Kakuzu, considering Kakuzu can burrow into the ground fast as shit :lol

 

[Zexion~]

Not that it would hit Kakuzu, considering Kakuzu can burrow into the ground fast as shit :lol

I don't know about fast as shit but fast enough :lol

 

[DrProof]

I don't know about fast as shit but fast enough :lol

Wym not fast as shit? The smoke cleared out not a page later:

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That's almost equal to hiding like a mole basically.

 

[Zexion~]

Wym not fast as shit? The smoke cleared out not a page later:

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That's almost equal to hiding like a mole basically.

That's his hand, it would take longer to create space for a full body.

 

[DrProof]

That's his hand, it would take longer to create space for a full body.

No you're not understanding :lol

He's able to send all his hearts into the ground. He doesn't need to send his whole body, because it's simply all tendrils. He can send his body after he directly employs his hearts to tunnel into the ground.

Hearts -> body -> regroup several meters away.

Literally his bodies safety doesn't matter, because he's able to re-assimilate himself. Sending all of his hearts into the ground chained into his let's say arm = fast evasion.

 

[Zexion~]

No you're not understanding :lol

He's able to send all his hearts into the ground. He doesn't need to send his whole body, because it's simply all tendrils. He can send his body after he directly employs his hearts to tunnel into the ground.

Hearts -> body -> regroup several meters away.

Literally his bodies safety doesn't matter, because he's able to re-assimilate himself. Sending all of his hearts into the ground chained into his let's say arm = fast evasion.

I guess.....debatable if he has a brain or not though not to mention he can't move the heart that is giving life to his body, however that only takes down one heart in the end although I don't see how the hearts would get back to the body stuck in the mountain.

 

[Beans2]

Kakuzu doesn't have a brain.

 

[DrProof]

I guess.....debatable if he has a brain or not though not to mention he can't move the heart that is giving life to his body, however that only takes down one heart in the end although I don't see how the hearts would get back to the body stuck in the mountain.

Kakuzu doesn't have a brain.

^. Zexion you were in A.K.E how can you even question he has a brain, especially when we've seen that chakra contains information, and the brain is a simple organ in Naruto, that stores information. A heart could do that very same thing. Itachi has shown that chakra is simple information eg; the Amaterasu seal. Orochimaru has shown chakra contains ifnromation by viewing the war through Anko's cursed seal, and by taking his chakra from Kabuto, and learning more about the war.

Sasori is the prime example of this. Obviously Sasori doesn't have a brain, and whatever was in the core of his puppet body obviously contained chakra, and possibly an organ (part of brain, heart, etc.) to store the information inside (or maybe it was simply just empty (idk).

With that noted. My counter to earth sandwhich is still very much valid. The heart = Kakuzu's brain/information storage. Wym the hearts wouldn't be able to get to the body? They can drill through stone bruh bruh.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu doesn't have a brain.

^. Zexion you were in A.K.E how can you even question he has a brain, especially when we've seen that chakra contains information, and the brain is a simple organ in Naruto, that stores information. A heart could do that very same thing. Itachi has shown that chakra is simple information eg; the Amaterasu seal. Orochimaru has shown chakra contains ifnromation by viewing the war through Anko's cursed seal, and by taking his chakra from Kabuto, and learning more about the war.

Sasori is the prime example of this. Obviously Sasori doesn't have a brain, and whatever was in the core of his puppet body obviously contained chakra, and possibly an organ (part of brain, heart, etc.) to store the information inside (or maybe it was simply just empty (idk).

With that noted. My counter to earth sandwhich is still very much valid. The heart = Kakuzu's brain/information storage. Wym the hearts wouldn't be able to get to the body? They can drill through stone bruh bruh.

That would be all fine and dandy if Kakuzu didn't switch hearts multiple times in the manga, unless you're telling me every heart stores the same information which would be a bit weird. I've just never been sold on the fact that he has no brain, brain can live for 150+ years its the heart that dies early, reason why Kakuzu never wants to call himself immortal tbh.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Roshi>Kakuzu

 

[Zexion~]

Roshi>Kakuzu

I'd debate this :lol as of now don't see how Roshi deals with him here...unless you're keeping V2 Jin feats.

 

[DrProof]

That would be all fine and dandy if Kakuzu didn't switch hearts multiple times in the manga, unless you're telling me every heart stores the same information which would be a bit weird. I've just never been sold on the fact that he has no brain, brain can live for 150+ years its the heart that dies early, reason why Kakuzu never wants to call himself immortal tbh.

???

Chakra can be transferred meaning information can be transferred. As I said with Itachi, and Kabuto's case. It makes perfect sense as to believe: Kakuzu's hearts all contained the same information, and he's able to transfer that information to the new hearts he collects. It's all canonically been done.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Can Domu resist the mountain technique?