Kitsuchi versus Kakuzu

[Ghost in the Shell]

Location - Team Gai versus Kisame
Starting Distance - 30 meters
Intel - Manga
Conditions - Kitsuchi has access to Rock Golems and all of Ōnoki's feats with it

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Kakuzu takes this.

The distance prevents Kituschi from using

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, especially if Kakuzu gets any closer. Domu tanks everything I can think off, and his rock golems are diced up by Gian. Most of Kitsuchi's jutsu are focused around defense and I don't see a way for him to put Kakuzu down. If the masks start to pressure him he could probably erect a defense but the lighting mask would gradually bypass it, leaving him open to be overwhelmed by all of the other masks and Kakuzu.

 

[EZQ]

Kitsuchi has only shown the ability to use doton, while kakuzu has lightining, so he has the elemental advantage. Also, Kitsuchi doesn't have good CQC feats or speed feats to dodge kakuzu's moving hands. He would be overwhelmed by the masks and wont be able to break domu.

 

[New Dawn]

Who or what is kitsuchi?

 

[LuckyMan]

By feats, Kitsuchi

By portrayal, Kitsuchi

 

[Zexion~]

Lol raiton negates doton in its entirety, so gian would be enough to negate the giant mountain, if not Domu tanks it anyways.

Kakuzu wins low difficulty here.

 

[EZQ]

By feats, Kitsuchi

By portrayal, Kitsuchi

By feats kitsuchi? lol.

By portrayal kitsuchi? Sure boy, The portrayal of a S-rank pioneer of inmortality and a member of the famous akatsuki < The portrayal of a barely known Jonnin.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

By feats, Kitsuchi

By portrayal, Kitsuchi

Kakuzu stomps Kitsuchi in both feats and portrayal.

 

[LuckyMan]

Lol raiton negates doton in its entirety, so gian would be enough to negate the giant mountain, if not Domu tanks it anyways.

Kakuzu wins low difficulty here.

Raiton is strong against Doton, it pierces through and breaks it apart but if the weaker nature is of a higher level than the stronger nature the weak nature will still come out on top. Gian isn't negating or stopping Mountain Sandwich, the latter is on a whole different level. Comparing them is an insult to the Doton nature itself. If any Raiton could negate any Doton then we'd be agreeing Chidori Senbon negates and cancels Mountain Sandwich too.

Domu tanking it is not happening. Mountain Sandwich is again, on a whole different level that Chojis Meat Tank. I highly doubt two gargantuan (bigger than Jubi) pieces of rock crushing into the other with enough force to hold the Jubi in place is not being stopped by Domu.

@ezequielosses & Legendary Toad Sage

When Kakazu can stop the Jubi in its tracks to end its offensive onslaught and redirect its Jubi Dramas with Doton then we can talk about who's portrayed to be stronger.

 

[Zexion~]

Raiton is strong against Doton, it pierces through and breaks it apart but if the weaker nature is of a higher level than the stronger nature the weak nature will still come out on top. Gian isn't negating or stopping Mountain Sandwich, the latter is on a whole different level. Comparing them is an insult to the Doton nature itself. If any Raiton could negate any Doton then we'd be agreeing Chidori Senbon negates and cancels Mountain Sandwich too.

Domu tanking it is not happening. Mountain Sandwich is again, on a whole different level that Chojis Meat Tank. I highly doubt two gargantuan (bigger than Jubi) pieces of rock crushing into the other with enough force to hold the Jubi in place is not being stopped by Domu.

@ezequielosses & Legendary Toad Sage

When Kakazu can stop the Jubi in its tracks to end its offensive onslaught and redirect its Jubi Dramas with Doton then we can talk about who's portrayed to be stronger.

Hold the Juubi in place?

No, look at the primary example of Raiton and Doton exchange, Sasuke V.S Deidara the raiton merely needed to penetrate the bombs and they became obsolete Lol, even on a larger scale like his dragon.

Besides Kakuzu's raiton's chakra is on par with Raikiri's Lol....

Except Domu is literally perfect for blocking physical attacks especially crushing .-. Solid Carbonate/Diamond tanks that man.

 

[super yang]

at no range, is mountain sandwhich ever a viable 1 vs 1 combat option, above genin rank, unless kitsuchis opponent is immobile.

it is a laborious & preparatory support/ambush jutsu

its the ''ground punch GG'' nonsense all over again

OT: kakuzu wins, very low difficulty

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Earth Sandwhich is tanked easily, and Kitisuchi gets fodderized. Not like it's being used at this range anyways, but even if it was he would be wasting chakra.

Infamous 90 year old Akatsuki veteran who has tangoed with Hashirama (and lived), with all elemental natures.

Talented unknown rock jounin with impressive doton.

Yeah sure, portrayal definitely favors Kitsuchi here Lol

 

[LuckyMan]

Hold the Juubi in place?

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you can see it stopped the Jubis rampage. In the panel next to the shinobi running you can see how much of it is squished between the move. In the upper panels majority of its body is still free while the jutsu is still closing in and when its done the only part you can see of it is its squished head, the rest is between the Doton.

No, look at the primary example of Raiton and Doton exchange, Sasuke V.S Deidara the raiton merely needed to penetrate the bombs and they became obsolete Lol, even on a larger scale like his dragon.

Mountain Sandwich doesn't explode so your comparing two different techniques. Raiton neutralizes the Doton that makes Bakuton since it can't explode with just Katon properties. If any Raiton could neutralize any Doton then Third Raikage never would have went to the next level with Nukite to break through Dodais Yonton (Fire+Earth) because his regular Nukite should have done the job, but it didn't.

Besides Kakuzu's raiton's chakra is on par with Raikiri's Lol....

Based on what? I know he counterbalanced Gian with Raikiri but that doesn't make them equal, it just means Kakashis used as much chakra as he did and he probably didn't use much since he had to baby sit Choji and Ino and stall for Shikamarus plan.

Except Domu is literally perfect for blocking physical attacks especially crushing .-. Solid Carbonate/Diamond tanks that man.

Diamond is considered the hardest mineral because it doesn't scratch, not because it doesn't break because oh wait... it breaks. Domu is tough and I think it can take regular Rasengans, maybe even Oodama, but Mountain Sandwich is on a different level from those attacks as well.

Earth Sandwhich is tanked easily, and Kitisuchi gets fodderized. Not like it's being used at this range anyways, but even if it was he would be wasting chakra.

How will it not be used at this range? Will Kakuzu blitz him???

Infamous 90 year old Akatsuki veteran who has tangoed with Hashirama (and lived), with all elemental natures. Talented unknown rock jounin with impressive doton. Yeah sure, portrayal definitely favors Kitsuchi here Lol

Except Kakuzu isn't infamous. He was sent to assassinate Hashirama. Whether an actual battle to the death took place is unknown and it most likely didn't happen. No one who can "tango" with Hashirama is losing to Team 10 and Kakashi.

According to DB4, Kitsuchi is actually FAMOUS in the world for his Doton. He was put as captain over tens of thousands of other shinobi and he along with the other captains are portrayed to be on a similar level. All of them are pretty much portrayed as Kage, 3 are actual Kage and it means something for Kitsuchi to be put on that level with them.

 

[Zexion~]

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you can see it stopped the Jubis rampage. In the panel next to the shinobi running you can see how much of it is squished between the move. In the upper panels majority of its body is still free while the jutsu is still closing in and when its done the only part you can see of it is its squished head, the rest is between the Doton.



Mountain Sandwich doesn't explode so your comparing two different techniques. Raiton neutralizes the Doton that makes Bakuton since it can't explode with just Katon properties. If any Raiton could neutralize any Doton then Third Raikage never would have went to the next level with Nukite to break through Dodais Yonton (Fire+Earth) because his regular Nukite should have done the job, but it didn't.



Based on what? I know he counterbalanced Gian with Raikiri but that doesn't make them equal, it just means Kakashis used as much chakra as he did and he probably didn't use much since he had to baby sit Choji and Ino and stall for Shikamarus plan.



Diamond is considered the hardest mineral because it doesn't scratch, not because it doesn't break because oh wait... it breaks. Domu is tough and I think it can take regular Rasengans, maybe even Oodama, but Mountain Sandwich is on a different level from those attacks as well.




How will it not be used at this range? Will Kakuzu blitz him???



Except Kakuzu isn't infamous. He was sent to assassinate Hashirama. Whether an actual battle to the death took place is unknown and it most likely didn't happen. No one who can "tango" with Hashirama is losing to Team 10 and Kakashi.

According to DB4, Kitsuchi is actually FAMOUS in the world for his Doton. He was put as captain over tens of thousands of other shinobi and he along with the other captains are portrayed to be on a similar level. All of them are pretty much portrayed as Kage, 3 are actual Kage and it means something for Kitsuchi to be put on that level with them.

Not even going to bother to make this pretty because its clear you know nothing.

-Juubi broke out relatively quickly and with ease

-The exploding thing is pointless, fact is it halted any contact between Deidara and the doton, as he couldn't pump chakra in it (katsu) to cause it to explode just like this sesame street looking fool, will not be able to pump in chakra to make it move aka the mountains halt.

-Lol....Raikiri is a jutsu that requires a set amount of chakra, no matter what hence why Kakashi is drained by it whenever he uses it Lol and can only use it a set times per day. You can't just lower it (although that is called Chidori ) and such at will...do you not know Naruto logic?

It won't have to tank the full force it the diamond is hard enough to cause indents in the rock allowing him to survive.

Kakuzu wins this

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Bruh, do you see how large earth sandwhich is? If he uses it at 35 meters it would encompass them both Lol That jutsu is not made for small single targets at mid range. Kitsuchi wouldn't even opt for this as a viable means of taking out one opponent so close.


I can't believe earth sandwhich is really even being discussed here.

 

[Zexion~]

Bruh, do you see how large earth sandwhich is? If he uses it at 35 meters it would encompass them both Lol That jutsu is not made for small single targets at mid range. Kitsuchi wouldn't even opt for this as a viable means of taking out one opponent so close.


I can't believe earth sandwhich is really even being discussed here.

Im just saying it can be countered either way

 

[madvictory]

Kitsuchi wins. Kakuzu is one of the weakest Akatsuki when it comes to raw-power, or else he would be Hidan's partner.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Im just saying it can be countered either way

Sorry I should have used quotes, my post was referring to DR who is focusing his argument around a jutsu that

1. Will not be used in the first place

and

2. Is tanked anyways, unless he thinks earth can crush earth.

 

[KidGamer65]

-The exploding thing is pointless, fact is it halted any contact between Deidara and the doton, as he couldn't pump chakra in it (katsu) to cause it to explode just like this sesame street looking fool, will not be able to pump in chakra to make it move aka the mountains halt.

Raiton doesn't magically negate Doton, and especially not in the way you are implying it will. Raiton hitting the sandwich isn't going to cause it to stop moving because he can't pump chakra into it. Not even sure how that makes sense. Nor is that what happened to Deidara. Deidara's bombs are made of Doton, and he uses "Katsu" to detonate the explosives. He doesn't put chakra into them to blow them up, he only commands the chakra already inside to blow up. Raiton defused the bomb because it was made of Doton. Deidara couldn't activate it because it was defused. No spark. If he could pump chakra into it, then Sasuke could stab the bombs a million times and they'd still blow up.

OT: Kakuzu wins.

 

[DMT]

Kakuzu wins with mid to high difficulty