Kishi's trolling has gone too far

[NarutoFan20]

Kishi is obviously planning for Kakashi to use kumai perhaps 5 or 6 more times before he lands substantial enough blows to actually defeat Tobi. This is another very significant troll, and more of a plot hole really, that Kishi is abusing to the fullest.

Madara knowing the secret seals that can override Edo Tensei despite the fact that not a single user of Edo Tensei seemed to know it....

On Naruto wiki it says Kakashi can only use Kamui 3 times a day. Kishi better not troll us lol.

From what you said about Madara knowing the Secret seals I'm going put together a theory that involves the Second Hokage. Two possible reasons why Madara knows the secret seal to override Edo Tensei.

1. Madara somehow caught the Second Hokage alone and off gaurd and put him in a genjutsu and told him to tell him some useful information or any good jutsu you are hiding. Madara is a leaf village resident so he can get pass the barrier and the guards. Or Remember before he died maybe Madara planned that entire operation for those Elite Ninja to surround them. He knew the Second was going to sacrifice himself to let his villagers live. So before they killed him Madara put him in a genjutsu?

2. The Second Hokage possibly gained knowledge of a future attack on the leaf that Madara was going to annihilate them with the Kyubi. Since he wanted peace he might have formed an alliance with Madara to give him what ever he wanted (like edo tensei) to protect his clan and village.

That's all I'm going to post about Madara knowing the secret seals I'm going to save the rest for my First Theory.

 

[Kesh]

yep agreed, Kakashi might as well be a freaking jinjuriki with all the chakra he has been using. i believe he used the MS 1-3 times when fighting Pein plus all the other unique jutsus and overexerted himself. When he fought sasuke he may have used it 2 time plus other unique justu.. Good points! kakashi shouldnt be able to use his MS anymore but the only way to beat tobi is to use the MS several more time..

 

[Strong eyes]

I agree 100%

 

[Sharinnigan]

I agree with everything EXCEPT for this. " or Madara knowing the secret seals that can override Edo Tensei despite the fact that not a single user of Edo Tensei seemed to know it.."..this makes no sense to me because u say it like there's more edo tensei users other than kabuto..and there's not.. Good points though

Edit: kabuto for sure knew the seals, as well as tobirama considering he made the jutsu, and orochimaru taught kabuto edo tensei so its presumed he knew the seals as well

 

[SO7P]

im totally fine with those so called trolls ^_^ i love kishi the way he is <3

 

[AngryRock]

Very well explained +rep

 

[EmperorIssun]

Since we're all complaining here, why did Tobi need to capture Bee and Naruto if he alrdy had the tentacle of the 8 Tails and the Kinkaku Bros. from Kabuto? He didn't need to start the war at all... LOL

 

[Floydical]

We've got a serious case of butthurt here.
Kakashi should be dead already? Why? He has already used 2 kamuis when having less than half of his chakra during his battle against Pain. And then just notice how fast he has been improving this whole time, ESPECIALLY with his kamui proficiency. Kamui gets faster, stronger and more accurate from fight to fight. And why should we be surprised with that?

After all, Kakashi is considered to be one of the greates geniuses of his generation. Saying "OMG, Kak@sHi shood be ded!" is like saying "during this fight against Tobi Kakashi should have already collapsed several times from using his non-MS sharingan"

Stop underestimating the guy.

As for the others, the only thing that seems out of place for me is Orochimaru's revival. But I'm not complaining, since I know Kishi knows what he's doing. Most likely better than the creator of this topic.

I'm not underestimating Kakashi at all. This isn't a matter of judging his strength, but his stamina.

Kishi has made it very clear for a long time that Kakashi has a terribly low stamina level. He might be fine in normal circumstances, but his stamina compared to an Uchiha is very poor. Stamina is not something a 30 something year old can increase in no time at all. Kakashi may be getting stronger, but there is no way he can go from using Kumai 3 times at max to 5 times after fighting for almost 2 whole days without resting.

Bottom line is that Kishi has stretched out Kakashi's stamina in the war far past its breaking point. Again, I'm not underestimating his strength, but taking a logical approach in regard to his stamina. Again, Kishi has made it very clear for a long time that Kakashi has very limited stamina and this war has shown him use more chakra and fight for longer than is remotely possible for him.

I totally agree with the OP.. I am still bitter about Oro being rezzed, also Madara dropping 2 meteors onto a battalion of Ninja and then totally whoop the living shit out of the Kages.

And if I am not mistaken this is a forum and telling the OP to stfu cause he has a oppinion about how he feels the manga has turned to shit, maybe some of you need to take off your fan boy hats and just make a comment on how you disagree with his statement.

Thanks, I don't really care how people respond to this topic, I just want to hear people's opinions on Kishi's trolling and plot holes.

yep agreed, Kakashi might as well be a freaking jinjuriki with all the chakra he has been using. i believe he used the MS 1-3 times when fighting Pein plus all the other unique jutsus and overexerted himself. When he fought sasuke he may have used it 2 time plus other unique justu.. Good points! kakashi shouldnt be able to use his MS anymore but the only way to beat tobi is to use the MS several more time..

Yup, luckily he only had to use it once more, so now that things should be done, I'm not quite as mad about his chakra use, but he still did fight for 2 solid days and use kumai about 5 times...... still way outside the theoretical level given his stamina levels.