Kishi's trolling has gone too far
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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i can't believe this thread coming from you Floydicalxd, i mean you usually look things in a positive way no matter how much kishimoto messed it up, but it looks like you have enough with this BS that kishimoto keep pulling since he revived orochimaru using horcrux rip off.
overall i agree with all point in the OP, truth be told i actually give an actual facepalm when i read the recent chapter
overall i agree with all point in the OP, truth be told i actually give an actual facepalm when i read the recent chapter
SasukexNeji
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SashaUchiha
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^^^ This actually...
The manga doesn't affect my life so much and I don't think about Naruto all day... so when I go read a chapter on Wednesday I'm always like "Wow! That was so cool!"
Maybe that's why I always end up rating most of the chapters 5/5. I am not a critic, I'm a fan... I love reading Naruto as is... As long as Kishi explains it well I'll probably be ok even if Obito is Tobi
agreed here. XD just be happy you like(d) reading a manga and enjoy(ed) it.
now to break up your (Floydical) points and discuss them...
we already know that tobi has a lot of spare sharingans. so its not hard to assume that he picked up obito's at some point. my only concern here is how did tobi know that obito unlocked his sharingan? wasnt it only a few minutes (or hours ... w/e) before he died that obito unlocked his sharingan? so only kakashi, rin, and those guys they were fighting should have known that the sharingan was activated.
now, i dont remember all the details of the past because its been a long time since i read the chapters. but how long long was it since obito "dying" and the nine-tails attack? do we know that? that would probably be a key factor in helping us proving once and for all tobi cant be obito.
we dont know all the secrets of the sharingan. maybe tobi and kakashi already have the ability to gain the EMS due to the fact that they had their eyes transplanted (assuming tobi isnt obito ofc
). now the question remains how they gained their MS...but there are many theories for that too. the fact that tobi was/is using the (E)MS techniques cant be all that surprising. the simple 3 tomoe (or however its spelled) cant do much except see chakra and see taijutsu really well. if it does do something else, i dont remember reading it at the moment. so its not hard to
until recently, many of us didnt even know if tobi was using some jutsu like the minato, who used S/T ninjutsu without the sharingan or if it was actually his sharingan. if it was assumed to be the sharingan, many can come to the conclusion that he was using a higher level of sharingan.
*by recently mean, i mean before the war started LOL.
danzou was only shown to use shusui's MS once...during the kage summiit. i could be wrong, but i recall he used the sharingan (only) while traveling to the kage summit, but didnt use the MS until that point. then when fighting sasuke, towards the end, he was holding off using izanagi because he would lose shusui's eye if he did.
i think its because he moves his physical body from the real world and projects himself (somehow) into the real world with some illusion (genjutsu)...except the genjutsu is on himself. not sure how to explain it.
ive always thought this, even before the explanation for when things went through tobi.
cant argue with you here.
actually...kakashi has shown a lot of improvement in his stamina when using his (E)MS, specifically kamui. the first time, he used it a couple times and then passed out. during pain, he did a few more times (i think), then almost died. and now, hes used it a couple times, and probably has a few more shots of kamui left.
yeah, i dont really get it. but then again, minato was able to seal away only half of the kyuubi. so if oro has multiple places where he hides, then i dont doubt he could come back.
i kinda agree with you here. if there was a way to break free from the edo-tensei, why didnt the 2nd hokage (and for that matter the 1st hokage) know about it. wasnt the 2nd hokage the creator of the forbidden jutsu, meaning he could have revived himself during the oro/3rd hokage fight. but i guess they were being controlled strictly and werent able to break free.
fyi, its late, and a lot of the stuff ive written here is while im (how do i say it nicely...) not thinking straight. so if any of my facts dont match up or if im completely wrong, please remember to correct me.
It has not been said one way or another yet, calm down.
If he is Obito (woot) then you'll just have to deal with it.
You never see people pro Obito creating threads like "I swear to god if he is Izuna I'll burn down a school!"
It really has just become a fad on NB to hate that theory. Half the people who hate it don't know why they do.
If he is Obito (woot) then you'll just have to deal with it.
You never see people pro Obito creating threads like "I swear to god if he is Izuna I'll burn down a school!"
It really has just become a fad on NB to hate that theory. Half the people who hate it don't know why they do.
The Hidden Shinobi
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Everyone just STFU and let kishi reveal who every tobi is and give back stories and explanations for how and why he is tobi. Stop saying there's no way this or that it's not your bloody story. People said there's no way oro could come back.. Well he's back so people STFU
kishi is a good writer, he knows whats hes doing, he's hinting towards obito to **** with all of you, it's the same shit with madara before he got summoned, kishi just ****s with you and then bam he's someone else, if kishi hints a person being that person, then it's definitly NOT that personI have to say, Kishi's trolling has become so bad that it is literally destroying all the integrity of his once great manga. I'll try to focus on the ones I feel that Kishi handled the worst. Feel free to discuss and add your own.
1. Kishi has created so much circumstantial evidence that Tobi is Obito that he literally has destroyed his own reputation as a story writer. There are so many facts that can prove in an instant that Tobi is not Obito that it is truly a joke, and Kishi even hinting at the prospect is degrading to himself. But the way the last chapters have gone, the only way to prove that Tobi is not actually Obito anymore is if the manga states it directly.
2. It has been confirmed that whoever Tobi is, he is using Obito's other sharingan. Not only that, but it is established that he absolutely has to be using Obito's MS in order to be accessing the other dimension. This means that Tobi has had, and has been using, MS this entire time. This, by far, is one of the biggest trolls you can ever hope to even imagine. This basically means he is constantly using MS in battle without overexerting himself with chakra use. It also means that his MS design might be the same as Kakashi's, unless the design is unique to the person it spawns in.
3. Kishi has also trolled us with Shisui's MS. Danzou was confirmed to have been using Shisui's MS to be casting that jutsu despite us never having seen the design. Not only that, but he managed to reduce the cooldown of the jutsu from 10 years to about 1 day by adding senju DNA to himself..... a huge troll.
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4. Despite sending himself to another dimension to escape damage, we have never once since Tobi's body parts go out of sight. I guess you could say that we don't see them disappear since something is always overlapping them, but the way the last 300 chapters have gone, the visual interpretation we get from the manga is that Tobi's body still exists in the material world even when he's transparent. Kishi now saying that those parts of his body aren't actually there when he phases through is a serious troll.
5. Gedo Mazo has been going critical for at least 5 or 6 chapters now.... and still nothing. Kishi has gotten so sick of drawing the Gedo while its freaking out that he has pretended its not even there anymore. Not only has the gedo been going critical for 5+ chapters, but the army of allies have been running to Naruto's location for abut 30-40 chapters and haven't gotten there when it only took 2-3 chapters previously for them to move the same distance. Not only that, but we haven't seen the Madara/ Kage and Oro/ Sasuke plot lines in a number of chapters despite them seeming to demand instant attention.
6. The way Kakashi has been using Kumai, HE SHOULD BE LONG DEAD!! IDC how much training Kakashi has done, the way Kishi established Kaskashi's ckakra threshold and his limits at his age, he should not be able to use Kumai as much as he had considering his past problems with it. Not only that, but Kishi is obviously planning for Kakashi to use kumai perhaps 5 or 6 more times before he lands substantial enough blows to actually defeat Tobi. This is another very significant troll, and more of a plot hole really, that Kishi is abusing to the fullest.
I could go on about Oro being sealed and yet being revived through one of a thousand curse seals.... or Madara knowing the secret seals that can override Edo Tensei despite the fact that not a single user of Edo Tensei seemed to know it.... but you all know these are serious stretches on the plot of Kishi's part and trolling at its best.
Please feel free to vent, as I just have, and discuss these trolls, plot stretches, or whatever you want to call them. Have a good night NB
Narutoisgodly
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i already made a thread like this 2 days ago -________-
EDIT: i agree but
EDIT: i agree but
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Uchihas with Big Guns
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Personally I don't feel strongly like the thread maker but I do agree completely
I wanna see madara & sasuke
The army still hasn't reached naruto yet but sasuke left the hideout killed zetsu fought kabuto suigetsu even somehow made it to sasuke & he broke out of jail way in another country
Its pretty silly
I wanna see madara & sasuke
The army still hasn't reached naruto yet but sasuke left the hideout killed zetsu fought kabuto suigetsu even somehow made it to sasuke & he broke out of jail way in another country
Its pretty silly
Hipster Madara
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You're right. U_U
@ppl saying he should stop complaining- he has the right to criticize something when he notices something is wrong. Kishi is not perfect and in no way did he say he can do better.
@ppl saying he should stop complaining- he has the right to criticize something when he notices something is wrong. Kishi is not perfect and in no way did he say he can do better.
agreed here. XD just be happy you like(d) reading a manga and enjoy(ed) it.
now to break up your (Floydical) points and discuss them...
we already know that tobi has a lot of spare sharingans. so its not hard to assume that he picked up obito's at some point. my only concern here is how did tobi know that obito unlocked his sharingan? wasnt it only a few minutes (or hours ... w/e) before he died that obito unlocked his sharingan? so only kakashi, rin, and those guys they were fighting should have known that the sharingan was activated.
now, i dont remember all the details of the past because its been a long time since i read the chapters. but how long long was it since obito "dying" and the nine-tails attack? do we know that? that would probably be a key factor in helping us proving once and for all tobi cant be obito.
we dont know all the secrets of the sharingan. maybe tobi and kakashi already have the ability to gain the EMS due to the fact that they had their eyes transplanted (assuming tobi isnt obito ofc
the fact that tobi was/is using the (E)MS techniques cant be all that surprising. the simple 3 tomoe (or however its spelled) cant do much except see chakra and see taijutsu really well. if it does do something else, i dont remember reading it at the moment. so its not hard to
until recently, many of us didnt even know if tobi was using some jutsu like the minato, who used S/T ninjutsu without the sharingan or if it was actually his sharingan. if it was assumed to be the sharingan, many can come to the conclusion that he was using a higher level of sharingan.
*by recently mean, i mean before the war started LOL.
danzou was only shown to use shusui's MS once...during the kage summiit. i could be wrong, but i recall he used the sharingan (only) while traveling to the kage summit, but didnt use the MS until that point. then when fighting sasuke, towards the end, he was holding off using izanagi because he would lose shusui's eye if he did.
i think its because he moves his physical body from the real world and projects himself (somehow) into the real world with some illusion (genjutsu)...except the genjutsu is on himself. not sure how to explain it.
ive always thought this, even before the explanation for when things went through tobi.
cant argue with you here.
actually...kakashi has shown a lot of improvement in his stamina when using his (E)MS, specifically kamui. the first time, he used it a couple times and then passed out. during pain, he did a few more times (i think), then almost died. and now, hes used it a couple times, and probably has a few more shots of kamui left.
yeah, i dont really get it. but then again, minato was able to seal away only half of the kyuubi. so if oro has multiple places where he hides, then i dont doubt he could come back.
i kinda agree with you here. if there was a way to break free from the edo-tensei, why didnt the 2nd hokage (and for that matter the 1st hokage) know about it. wasnt the 2nd hokage the creator of the forbidden jutsu, meaning he could have revived himself during the oro/3rd hokage fight. but i guess they were being controlled strictly and werent able to break free.
fyi, its late, and a lot of the stuff ive written here is while im (how do i say it nicely...) not thinking straight. so if any of my facts dont match up or if im completely wrong, please remember to correct me.
Didn't really read most of it ( not enough time) but about second Hokage not being able to release himself is not surprising or that much of descripency unless one wants to nit pick for the sake of it.
First off Tobirama was stabbed with the controlling kunai as soon as he fully materialised. He didn't have much of a chance. He was also not at Madaras level. Madara on the other hand was never controlled by Kabuto or restricted in any way. So he could use his knowledge when he felt like it.
Notice that the cunning Uchiha didn't do it in the starting itself and released himself but was enjoying advantages of being an edo in the fight. Double meteor would have killed him too if he did.
Anyway, you will find such minor not so smooth parts in any serialised story. Most writers make a rough plot and know where they want their story to go from A to be and then C till Z. But road to such a journey is written along the way. They may have to make some adjustments over the years. But it is too late since the first parts are already published and up for discussion.
In many of the mangas people do not notice such things because of the way writers are handling it- like if the plot is written losely to begin with. In a plot where the fights are detailed and the writer has tried to give some kind of details of every move and make a structure of it like Naruto has, it becomes more noticeable.
But calling it trolling in a disparaging way is premature if not way over recting. The manga is still going on. We still do not know exactly how and when Madara got his power up and how he died. Tobi's id and his relation of Madara may shed light on many suspenses in the story.
Tobi had MS shouldn't have been a surprise at all. It was an assumption by many that he didn't have without any back up from the manga. Maybe Kakashi's MS was a result of Tobi being able to wake it up- we never found out how Kakashi got it, did we?
Sometimes it is better to enjoy the story instead of making fuss over little things.
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i dont want to believe it, but going back a few chapters, i read this:
its possible ... although i hate to admit it ... that tobi is obito. but if that is the case, i dont get how obito fought minato so much earlier and also how obito was the one to give the rinnegan away to nagato.
so much confusion.
if not obito, which other uchiha has kakashi seen/known in the past? it seems as if there was another uchiha somewhere in kakashi's past.
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its possible ... although i hate to admit it ... that tobi is obito. but if that is the case, i dont get how obito fought minato so much earlier and also how obito was the one to give the rinnegan away to nagato.
so much confusion.
if not obito, which other uchiha has kakashi seen/known in the past? it seems as if there was another uchiha somewhere in kakashi's past.
What Danzou used was definitely KA, the Mist guy with the Byakugan proved it. Itachi even mentioned the possibility of Hashi's DNA effecting it, in the image I posted. There is no doubt that he was using KA without ever seeing the MS design and while reducing the cooldown of the jutsu by about 99.97%
As for Kakashi, I don't remember Bee ever giving him chakra and not to mention that Bee is in constant Hachibi form, so its really impossible for Samehada to have been giving him chakra all this time. I can't agree that that is the reason Kakashi has been able to use Kumai as much as he has.
I've been criticizing things here and there for a while now, especially the last 25 or so chapters. Ever since Kishi had Sasuke and Itachi meet, I've felt Kishi has strayed too far from his usual M.O., but no, this isn't the first time I've said things like this.i can't believe this thread coming from you Floydicalxd, i mean you usually look things in a positive way no matter how much kishimoto messed it up, but it looks like you have enough with this BS that kishimoto keep pulling since he revived orochimaru using horcrux rip off.
overall i agree with all point in the OP, truth be told i actually give an actual facepalm when i read the recent chapter
I don't know how Tobi knew about Obito's sharingan considering he unlocked it just before dieing. That is just more circumstantial evidence that Obito is Tobi. But you point about Obito's age is one of the immediate facts that can disprove it. Obito would have been a teenager during the attack and we know for a fact that Nagato is older than Obito, so this breakdown would have been physically impossible imo.
Yes but the way Kishi has handled things, he made it seem very much so that both Danzou and Tobi were using more advanced techniques without having MS. Everyone knew that it was a possibility that Tobi was using MS techs, but knew it would create a big hole in the plot. TBH, its a very large troll on kishi's part.
And yes Danzou was ready to use KA again at the end of his fight with Sasuke, perhaps just needed a little more time to activate the MS or something, but yes the cooldown was indeed around a day compared to the 10 years shisui had to wait.
Kakashi went from using it twice at the beginning of part two to using it 3 times during the pain arc. Now he has used it at least 3-4 times in addition to fighting straight for about 2 whole days. It is simply impossible for him to use Kumai like he has without dieing. I mean he can get away with Naruto not needing rest, but the way he has established Kakashi's stamina, there is no way he should be alive right now.
Thank you