Kishi's inconsistency with Tsukuyomi...

[hixa kuogame]

Kishimoto then made sure to put the difference between Tsukuyomi and Genjutsu sharingan. Before any genjutsu done via MS was tsukuyomi.. Danzo even compared Sasuke to Itachi in that aspect..

Danzo doesnt explicitly state tsukyomi, at least not in this translation

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Sasuke used regular sharingan genjutsu when he fought Itachi. It would say tsukyomi if it were being used like:

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here it says amaterasu

 

[Zato]

I believe Sasuke had and used Tsukuyomi in his fight with Bee but Kishi later decided to retcon it seeing as how he recently uses something he calls "Genjutsu Sharingan"

This is exactly the purpose of this thread. I am really questioning the IQ level of some of the post in this thread as well. Both panels I have shown with Sasuke and Madara using their genjutsu's shows that it does EXACTLY what Tsukuyomi is described to do. Affect your opponents within an instant leaving them no time to break from it. Its an genjutsu that last less then a second and your taking a massive amount of damage. That is what Tsukuyomi is and that is why I am questioning why Kishi would show Madara and Sasuke clearly using it if it isn't really Tsukuyomi. Unless they are using Tsukuyomi but Kishi is being an ass about it.

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke has already shown us his three powers [ama/enton/susanoo]. No uchiha has four powers unless they obtain the rinnegan. Sasuke doesnt have tsukuyomi.

 

[itachi4real]

Because madara's tsukoyomi is not as deadly as itachi's,itachi can triple the damage if he wants making 3 days look a second in reality,madara doesn't have this skill so is tsukoyomi lacks power and falls under the catigory of a regular sharingans genjutsu,that is why raikage did not lay out when he was caught in this genjutsu.

What? Tsukuyomi period is supposed to severely damage u mentally. The raikage just got up with ease:| also madara used ems so why in the hell would his so called tsukuyomi lay him out. Because he has just sharingan genjutsu

 

[hixa kuogame]

This is exactly the purpose of this thread. I am really questioning the IQ level of the post in this thread as well. Both panels I have shown with Sasuke and Madara using their genjutsu's shows that it does EXACTLY what Tsukuyomi is described to do. Affect your opponents within an instant leaving them no time to break from it. Its an genjutsu that last less then a second and your taking a massive amount of damage. That is what Tsukuyomi is and that is why I am questioning why Kishi would show Madara and Sasuke clearly using it if it isn't really Tsukuyomi. Unless they are using Tsukuyomi but Kishi is being an ass about it.

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That is what all genjutsu do in most cases. They subdue an opponent with illusions or attacks on their mental or physical status. Tsukyomi places you in an extensive illusion of torture uncomparable to ordinary genjutsu. Bottom line, Tsukyomi is a much more powerful genjutsu.

 

[Zato]

What? Tsukuyomi period is supposed to severely damage u mentally. The raikage just got up with ease:| also madara used ems so why in the hell would his so called tsukuyomi lay him out. Because he has just sharingan genjutsu

Dude, Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be altered as he states himself he can manipulate the time within his genjutsu. He can also do this with his normal genjutsu as well. This is why Itachi's Tsukuyomi is so strong. Tsukuyomi in general is just a genjutsu that cannot be broken out of because the affects are instant but requires a lot of chakara to perform. If Madara could manipulate the time within Tsukuyomi then he would have flatten Raikage right there.

 

[Zato]

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That is what all genjutsu do in most cases. They subdue an opponent with illusions or attacks on their mental or physical status. Tsukyomi places you in an extensive illusion of torture uncomparable to ordinary genjutsu. Bottom line, Tsukyomi is a much more powerful genjutsu.

You are wrong and somewhat right. The actual affects an opponent takes outside of Tsukuyomi is INSTANT. That is why it is different then a normal genjutsu. The actual genjutsu of Tsukuyomi can be what ever the user wants the illusion to be. That is whats special about Tsukuyomi.

 

[Da Best Ever]

sasuke's genjutsu used on killer bee could have been but even if it was there are levels to ms techs...sasuke is better in using amaterasu, itachi is better in using genjutsu so even if it was tsukoyami sasuke used it still isnt as powerful as itachi's and i doubt that is what madara used on A because there was no sign of a genjutsu world...

 

[itachi4real]

Dude, Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be altered as he states himself he can manipulate the time within his genjutsu. He can also do this with his normal genjutsu as well. This is why Itachi's Tsukuyomi is so strong. Tsukuyomi in general is just a genjutsu that cannot be broken out of because the affects are instant but requires a lot of chakara to perform. If Madara could manipulate the time within Tsukuyomi then he would have flatten Raikage right there.

Bruh time has nothing to do with how strong tsukuyomi is. Crazy how when itachi uses tsukuyomi his opponents are affected/ injured while when madara and sasuke uses it none of their opponents were injured. The raikage got caught in it. Then got out of it and wasnt affected at all:| also if it was tsukuyomi he wouldnt be able to get out by oohnoki breaking it. Kakashi said it cant be broken by that method so madara havin tsukuyomi is wrong as hel

 

[Zato]

Bruh time has nothing to do with how strong tsukuyomi is. Crazy how when itachi uses tsukuyomi his opponents are affected/ injured while when madara and sasuke uses it none of their opponents were injured. The raikage got caught in it. Then got out of it and wasnt affected at all:| also if it was tsukuyomi he wouldnt be able to get out by oohnoki breaking it. Kakashi said it cant be broken by that method so madara havin tsukuyomi is wrong as hel

Bruh, time does have to do with how strong Tsukuyomi is. If we are speaking hypothetically then if Sasuke using Tskuyomi in the duration of 1 second = 3 hours then it would not even compare to Itachi's if his Tsukuyomi was 1 second = 3 days. If you are in an illusion where 3 days has literally passed within the illusion then you are going to take more damage then say an illusion that is only 3 hours.

Also, Madara did lay Raikage out instantly. He collapsed to the ground and couldn't move because he was injured from it. As in the same panel he noticed that he was about to be attacked. Oonoki had to shield him with his stone technique from Madara's clones. This means that the affect from the genjutsu Madara used already took its place by damaging the Raikage enough so that he couldn't use his speed to move around anymore. Did you not see Sasuke's illusion on Killer Bee? He was stabbing him with the ends of a bunch of crow feathers. That was how he damaged Killer Bee.

Itachi tortured Kakashi for 3 days straight because he can alter the time within his own Tsukuyomi. As not only Kakashi stated by Danzou also stated that Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be manipulated because Itachi can manipulate the time within his normal sharigan genjutsu as he shown when he had that long conversation with Naruto as he was being attacked by Kakashi. Altering time within genjustu is just Itachi's own special feature he an add to Tsukuyomi as well. Sasuke and Madara cannot alter the time within their genjutsu.

 

[Hori]

Some people don't understand what normal genjutsu is used for.... Genjutsu is used to make an opening to your enemy so that you can strike a fatal blow to them while their vision was disrupted.

Genjutsu: Sharingan is simply the generic use of genjutsu as employed by Sharingan wielders. By establishing direct eye contact with the intended opponents, the user can lock them within a genjutsu of their choosing in order to achieve various effects. These effects range from inducing instantaneous, but temporary, paralysis or unconsciousness in an opponent[1][2] to forcefully extracting any valuable information that they possess[3][4] or controlling their actions.

well about tsukoyomi, once a victim is caught within this tsukoyomi the caster is able to control them but in normal genjutsu you are just able to make them see things not control them. Now tsukoyomi is considered powerful because its a type of genjutsu that allows the caster to control people.

Summary: Tsukoyomi - allows to control victims
Genjutsu sharingan - Normal genjutsu as to other genjutsu users like hashi and kabuto its used to make an opening becaus you can break it

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

I think you answered your own question.

Remember what Zetsu said? 2 people might wield the same techniques, but the persons experience with it, is what really makes the difference,

thats what i am going to write.

 

[Oblivionx]

Itachi: Professional Tsukuyomi user.
Sasuke: Professional Amaterasu user.
Madara: Professional Susano'o user.

Comparing their skills in those three OP Justu is like making a Dentist do a Heart Surgeon's Job.
Although, Sasuke is kinda Proficient in using Susano'o as well.

i agree with this....!
but i'd like to point out a few things and that is that no genjutsu is unbreakable....! every genjutsu has been broken at least once...! sasuke broke out of itachi's Tsykumio, now if it was instant KO then how did sasuke survive?? we also know that itachi was going easy on him but we need to consider that itachi's skill in genjutsu is far better than others, so how did sasuke break Tsykumio?? hence itachi said and i quote "every jutsu has a weakness...!"

 

[AlphaScythian]

Tsukuyomi only causes trauma if torture is aplied. Except itachi no user was shown to do so.
W/o torture its just high powered classic genjutsu

 

[Zato]

i agree with this....!
but i'd like to point out a few things and that is that no genjutsu is unbreakable....! every genjutsu has been broken at least once...! sasuke broke out of itachi's Tsykumio, now if it was instant KO then how did sasuke survive?? we also know that itachi was going easy on him but we need to consider that itachi's skill in genjutsu is far better than others, so how did sasuke break Tsykumio?? hence itachi said and i quote "every jutsu has a weakness...!"

The reason why Sasuke didn't die from Itachi's Tsukuyomi was because in the illusion, Itachi only plucked out one of Sasuke's eyeballs and that was it. So after he "broke" out of it, the only real pain he felt was that his eye was pulled out its socket even though it really wasn't in the real world. That and that battle was rigged by Itachi giving Sasuke a 100% chance to win it anyway.

After rereading some parts I am sure the part I wrote about Madara was wrong. He just paralyzed Madara. Killer Bee on the other hand was shown being stabbed by multiple crow feathers so that was different. Oonoki did have to release the genjutsu on the Raikage so I can let that one pass.