Kishi's inconsistency with Tsukuyomi...

[Zato]

So remember how Tsukuyomi was the only genjutsu that instantly affects someone allowing that person NO time to actually break the genjutsu? This is because Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu where you can completely control every aspect of the genjutsu. Extremely similar to how infinite Tsukuyomi is said to be as Madara explained to Obito.

Here is Kakashi stating what he observed about Tsukuyomi.

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Here is Itachi explaining how Tsukuyomi works.

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Now here is my problem. So Sasuke definitely had to have used Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee because not only did it instantly KO'D Killer Bee but for the simple fact that Sasuke for what ever reason stabbed him over and over with crow feathers... Now we obviously know the crow feathers was a reference to Itachi so we can safely assume that the ability used there was indeed Tsukuyomi. So why does Sasuke never call out Tskuyomi when he uses it those very few times? Just check this out...

Here Sasuke uses a genjutsu on Killer Bee that instantly drops him. Notice how Sasuke's holding the eye he cast the genjutsu with... he is having a draw back from using a MS technique obviously...

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Now read what Kakashi says here... This is something we all should obviously know what happens when you use MS techs.

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So wtf Kishi? Was the Tsukuyomi or was it not? These are his words in the manga after all... It not only states this in the manga more then once but it also states it in the data book. Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu that can cause phyical and mental trauma within an instant and is unbreakable. The problem here is that it is stated that Sasuke's control over his "genjutsu" is no match for Itachi's because Itachi can manipulate the time far beyond its limits.

Now check this out because Madara even does this same genjutsu...

Within an instant after Raikage is caught in this genjutsu he drops to the ground damaged...

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But according to the manga Naruto... Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu that can cause instant damage leaving the opponent NO time to break it before the damage is done... Obviously Sasuke's and Madara's version if it really is Tsukuyomi isn't on Itachi's damage level because Itachi can massively alter the time within it. Am I missing something or is the inconsistent writing going on here? Is there any other genjutsu that causes instant damage like that? I am sure Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu that is said to be able to do so.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

It only Works on Fodder level people. I think Kage level Ninja can break it if they couldnt wouldnt Madara Tsukuyomi KO Hashi everytime?

 

[Neonian]

I think you answered your own question.

Remember what Zetsu said? 2 people might wield the same techniques, but the persons experience with it, is what really makes the difference,

 

[hixa kuogame]

theres a difference between regular sharingan genjutsu and tsukyomi...

 

[Zato]

I think you answered your own question.

Remember what Zetsu said? 2 people might wield the same techniques, but the persons experience with it, is what really makes the difference,

My main question is if they are actually using Tsukuyomi or not? Going by what the Manga states about Tsukuyomi in general then they are using Tsukuyomi. The issue here is that they never call out the ability to be Tsukuyomi even though its obvious that they are using it.

 

[KingHashirama]

False, that was to Kakashi's knowledge.


However, you fail to point out the fact that Jiraiya himself stated ALL genjutsu can be broken via the methods he told...

 

[Cartera]

I think you answered your own question.

Remember what Zetsu said? 2 people might wield the same techniques, but the persons experience with it, is what really makes the difference,

I concur, when sasuke was fighting Danzo he tried to use the same tech but was futile. From what i have seen, Sasuke is better with Amaterasu than Itachi.

 

[A$AP Wap]

Itachi: Professional Tsukuyomi user.
Sasuke: Professional Amaterasu user.
Madara: Professional Susano'o user.

Comparing their skills in those three OP Justu is like making a Dentist do a Heart Surgeon's Job.
Although, Sasuke is kinda Proficient in using Susano'o as well.

 

[Zato]

False, that was to Kakashi's knowledge.


However, you fail to point out the fact that Jiraiya himself stated ALL genjutsu can be broken via the methods he told...

Tsukuyomi is a Genjutsu that CANNOT be broken until its affects has been caused. The affects from Tskukuyomi is instant allowing the opponent NO time what so ever to break out of it. Itachi even agreed with Kakashi on his analysis of Tskukuyomi. Did you actually read the manga pages I provided? Sasuke and Madara has both shown to use this genjutsu even though it has never been officially stated that they are using it.

People my main issue here is not the level they are using it at. My issue is if they are actually using Tsukuyomi at all. Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu that matches what Madara and Sasuke are doing but it has never been officially stated that they are using Tsukuyomi.

 

[itachi4real]

It only Works on Fodder level people. I think Kage level Ninja can break it if they couldnt wouldnt Madara Tsukuyomi KO Hashi everytime?

Madara doesnt have tsukuyomi cus if he did dont u think he wouldve used it on the raikage?

 

[nandachikara]

The genjutsu sasuke and madara use is indeed tsukoyomi,but they do not have the skill as itachi,altering one's perception of time...making the genjutsu prolonged but short in reality,therefore increasing the damage,plus rep dude.

 

[Xēnovia.]

I think the case here is Itachi is more proficient with Tsukyomi than Sasuke; however Sasuke is more proficient with Amaterasu....that's how I see it anyway.​

 

[itachi4real]

theres a difference between regular sharingan genjutsu and tsukyomi...

This. Sasuke, madara, and obito have sharingan genjutsu while itachi has tsukuyomi

 

[hixa kuogame]

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Here sasuke uses regular sharingan genjutsu (which was what he used on killer bee and what madara used on the raikage)
and Itachi used tsukyomi which is what he specializes in when it comes to using genjutsu compared to others capable of using tsukyomi

 

[itachi4real]

The genjutsu sasuke and madara use is indeed tsukoyomi,but they do not have the skill as itachi,altering one's perception of time...making the genjutsu prolonged but short in reality,therefore increasing the damage,plus rep dude.

If madara has tsukuyomi why didnt the raikage get laid out after caught in the genjutsu?

 

[KingHashirama]

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Here sasuke uses regular sharingan (which was what he used on killer bee and what madara used on the raikage)
and Itachi used tsukyomi which is what he specializes in when it comes to using genjutsu compared to others capable of using tsukyomi

Kishimoto then made sure to put the difference between Tsukuyomi and Genjutsu sharingan. Before any genjutsu done via MS was tsukuyomi.. Danzo even compared Sasuke to Itachi in that aspect..

 

[scorezor]

i don't understand this thread to be honest. do you even read what you you posted? like... the manga pictures or do you even read when a thread about sasuke using tsukuyomi pops up? and i mean THE WHOLE THREAD.

 

[Murasame]

I believe Sasuke had and used Tsukuyomi in his fight with Bee but Kishi later decided to retcon it seeing as how he recently uses something he calls "Genjutsu Sharingan"

 

[scorezor]

False, that was to Kakashi's knowledge.


However, you fail to point out the fact that Jiraiya himself stated ALL genjutsu can be broken via the methods he told...

well , jiraiya was wrong.

 

[nandachikara]

If madara has tsukuyomi why didnt the raikage get laid out after caught in the genjutsu?

Because madara's tsukoyomi is not as deadly as itachi's,itachi can triple the damage if he wants making 3 days look a second in reality,madara doesn't have this skill so is tsukoyomi lacks power and falls under the catigory of a regular sharingans genjutsu,that is why raikage did not lay out when he was caught in this genjutsu.