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Sakura did have a gifted ability from the start and it was her naturally good chakra control. This has been noted since part 1. She wasn't ordinary according to Shizune.

That's a natural talent that made it possible for her to learn it faster but not a gifted ability. One has to have some aptitude to excel in a field.

When I said gifted ability I meant free power ups. :D
 
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That's a natural talent that made it possible for her to learn it faster but not a gifted ability. One has to have some aptitude to excel in a field.

She started to successfully developed a S-Rank at the age of 13. Something a grown woman like Shizune couldn't do. Hell, Shizune doesn't even have chakra enhanced strength. It may not be a KKG, but she is gifted.
 

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She started to successfully developed a S-Rank at 13. Something a grown woman like Shizune couldn't do. Hell, Shizune doesn't even have chakra enhanced strength. It may not be a KKG, but she is gifted.

And Itachi was an ANBU Captain/Triple Agent for an S-rank organisation led by 'Madara', Danzo 'the Darkness of Shinbi and the Konoha Elders and his Clan... the latter of which, he slaughtered.

Kakashi - at thirteen - was a jonin and fought in the 3rd Shinobi War. He developed the Chidori.

Naruto - at twelve - knocked out Hizuren Sarutobi with the Sexy-no-Justu and was capable of using (a version) of Rasengan - a notable feat in itself due to his piss-poor chakra control.

Sasuke - mastered his Sharingan and Chidori.

The Rookie 9 - mastered team work; a concept in which largely evades Sakura right up into the 4th Shinobi War.


Just because Shizune couldn't master that technique, doesn't mean it would be impossible for others to do so. Beating Sh*tzune isn't exactly the pinnacle of achievements.

The technique itself - requires precise chakra contorl - big f'ing whoop. It's an S-rank technique that allows her to catch up, somewhat, to her team mates in terms of chakra reserves and durability.
... not that she equals them, even then.
 

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And Itachi was an ANBU Captain/Triple Agent for an S-rank organisation led by 'Madara', Danzo 'the Darkness of Shinbi and the Konoha Elders and his Clan... the latter of which, he slaughtered.

Kakashi - at thirteen - was a jonin and fought in the 3rd Shinobi War. He developed the Chidori.

Naruto - at twelve - knocked out Hizuren Sarutobi with the Sexy-no-Justu and was capable of using (a version) of Rasengan - a notable feat in itself due to his piss-poor chakra control.

Sasuke - mastered his Sharingan and Chidori.

The Rookie 9 - mastered team work; a concept in which largely evades Sakura right up into the 4th Shinobi War.


Just because Shizune couldn't master that technique, doesn't mean it would be impossible for others to do so. Beating Sh*tzune isn't exactly the pinnacle of achievements.

The technique itself - requires precise chakra contorl - big f'ing whoop. It's an S-rank technique that allows her to catch up, somewhat, to her team mates in terms of chakra reserves and durability.
... not that she equals them, even then.

Never said she was equal to Naruto and Sasuke. Just that she wasn't ordinary.

@bold: No it doesn't.
 

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She started to successfully developed a S-Rank at the age of 13. Something a grown woman like Shizune couldn't do. Hell, Shizune doesn't even have chakra enhanced strength. It may not be a KKG, but she is gifted.

Not from her brother, father, friend or the sage. Her gifts are inherent talent and I already said it. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. Sounds like you are finally accepting her talent. 'Fine by me ^^.

And Itachi was an ANBU Captain/Triple Agent for an S-rank organisation led by 'Madara', Danzo 'the Darkness of Shinbi and the Konoha Elders and his Clan... the latter of which, he slaughtered.


So? Sakura is not the genius of the century is she? Besides Itachi had sharingan to boost his powers and his clan KG and jutsus. Plus he was born during war time and grew up seeing too much violence and his family is one of the leading families in Konoha.

Sakura is born during time of peace, in an ordinary family. She doesn't have that kind of motivation from early on as Itachi, to be something more than she was- not till her own experience with life drives her to strive for more. She was still doing her best and studied the book thoroughly and practice enough to be able to have a fine chakra control.

Kakashi - at thirteen - was a jonin and fought in the 3rd Shinobi War. He developed the Chidori.

Again a renowned father ( better training in childhood) + got a sharingan gifted to him. And war- funny you would mention that as if ending up in a war situation was a personal accomplishment... He didn't succeed that much is war did he? Despite his gifts- Obito "died" ( supposedly) saving him and Rin ended up dead. Minato gets blame for being busy with other missions and not being able to help them out.

Really no idea why anyone would make such arguments seeing the manga is mainly about a lot of awesome guys being shonnen and all.

Naruto - at twelve - knocked out Hizuren Sarutobi with the Sexy-no-Justu and was capable of using (a version) of Rasengan - a notable feat in itself due to his piss-poor chakra control.

Because he was taught. And you have poor understanding of what poor chakra control meant- Kakashi said Naruto wasted too much chakra in doing the same thing, Sakura wasted almost nothing. Sasuke was in between he wasted much less chakra than Naruto but more than Sakura if all three performed the same tech. Naruto had too much to spare so he succeeded despite poor control back then. Plus you seem to forget he was TAUGHT that tech by his godfather. Sakura was neglected completely during that time.

Sasuke - mastered his Sharingan and Chidori.

Good for him. Finally since he had the b asic requirements thanks to his KG and teacher. You are seemingly writing a lot but irrelevant things in here... what's your point ?
The Rookie 9 - mastered team work; a concept in which largely evades Sakura right up into the 4th Shinobi War.

Wow- you have to have a team first you know? I didn't think I would find more absurd and illogical argument to bash someone. The original team seven never fought as a team till finale because Sasuke wanted to play the lone wolf and saw her as a medic in the back only. Naruto too was away most of the time and not really practicing coordination in a fight with her. Sai's contribution as a team mate was putting her on a gilt trip when she was already torn because of her feelings for Sasuke who was going down the path of darkness rapidly and defending him against the interest of the village was getting more and more difficult.

Just because Shizune couldn't master that technique, doesn't mean it would be impossible for others to do so. Beating Sh*tzune isn't exactly the pinnacle of achievements.

... That's why we see the medics with bayakugo summoning slug all over the field. ..Wait there are only 2 such people.

As for Shizune was not motivated enough and kind of got satisfied with what she learned. Sakura on the other hand asks Yamato too to teach her the justu which he used to calm Naruto when he went berserk in bijju mode. Though he said it was not possible since it required Senju cells.

Sakura despite her fairly normal back ground didn't just sit in the background saying "what can I do -one of my team is a jinchuriki and another Uchiha prodigiy" So I will just lend moral support and prey daily that they return safely. "

The technique itself - requires precise chakra contorl - big f'ing whoop. It's an S-rank technique that allows her to catch up, somewhat, to her team mates in terms of chakra reserves and durability.

Such hate ..

... not that she equals them, even then.

She is a master in her field and that takes her right up there. Also she posses the qualification to handle herself in such a team where every single remaining member is dealing with personal issues and be there for them if they would let her. Hers was a slightly flawed character and that of a normal girl who had little idea about who the people she ended up really were. And she comes to know them and that not only makes a difference in her outlook towards them , she changes herself too be able to keep up. She gets ample growth as her life experience increases.

Her character clearly suffered- ( frankly Naruto and Sasuke's too to an extent- All three main characters retained some annoying traits for far too long which if resolved earlier would have increased their personal likability).

Even the side villains get so much development that's rare in most mangas -most either do not add so many or keep it short and avoid making them too complicated. The writer has hard time forgetting his villains and wants a closer for every little damn thing out there. So they steal a lot of time and attention away. They get to be interesting but at the cost of the main cast. So there are both plus and minus side to it. Sakura got the worst hit among three due to that trend as she was not the focus of the story and not even the girl meant for the hero. But her performance was not that bad to warrant such hate as a character.
 
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Never said she was equal to Naruto and Sasuke. Just that she wasn't ordinary.

@bold: No it doesn't.

What do you mean not ordinary?Someone having good chakra control is special now?Its nothing compared to what most OP characters in this series received
 

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Not from her brother, father, friend or the sage. Her gifts are inherent talent and I already said it. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. Sounds like you are finally accepting her talent. 'Fine by me ^^.

My point was that she wasn't ordinary like you were saying. I never not accepted her talents.
 

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Not from her brother, father, friend or the sage. Her gifts are inherent talent and I already said it. I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. Sounds like you are finally accepting her talent. 'Fine by me ^^.

Inherent talent. They all have inherent talent. Your point is entirely moot.

So? Sakura is not the genius of the century is she? Besides Itachi had sharingan to boost his powers and his clan KG and jutsus. Plus he was born during war time and grew up seeing too much violence and his family is one of the leading families in Konoha.

Blah blah blah. My point was that she is not the exception - or exceptional - in "mastering an s-rank technique" at a young age (being 13).
I find it highly debatable that she mastered that technique at 13 anyway - she may have begun it, but I don't think it was truly "mastered" until she released it and used it affectively, and that was when she was 17.

Again a renowned father ( better training in childhood) + got a sharingan gifted to him. And war- funny you would mention that as if ending up in a war situation was a personal accomplishment... He didn't succeed that much is war did he? Despite his gifts- Obito "died" ( supposedly) saving him and Rin ended up dead. Minato gets blame for being busy with other missions and not being able to help them out.

His father being renowned has nothing to do with it. At all.
He died when Kakashi was what? Five years old? His training had an impact on his early life, but I sincerely doubt it was instrumental in his creating Chidori.
Surviving the 3rd Shinobi War is an achievement, it was after all a war and shinobi have rather short lifespans due to the nature of their work. When you consider that he graduated the Academy at age 5 - made Chunin at 6 - Jonin at 13, not to mention being the son of Konoha's White Fang and being the student of Konoha's Yellow Flash; he might as well have had a sign painted on his back saying "Please try and kill me, I like it."

So yes; a personal accomplishment.
Obito and Rin sacrificed themselves - the in the true spirit of the Will of Fire. I'm not sure what you expect Kakashi to have done to avoid that.


Really no idea why anyone would make such arguments seeing the manga is mainly about a lot of awesome guys being shonnen and all.

Because I personally feel that Kishi is capable - and has created some great female characters but the undeniable fact is; Sakura isn't one of them.


Because he was taught. And you have poor understanding of what poor chakra control meant- Kakashi said Naruto wasted too much chakra in doing the same thing, Sakura wasted almost nothing. Sasuke was in between he wasted much less chakra than Naruto but more than Sakura if all three performed the same tech. Naruto had too much to spare so he succeeded despite poor control back then. Plus you seem to forget he was TAUGHT that tech by his godfather. Sakura was neglected completely during that time.

My understanding of poor chakra control is perfectly fine. I think you have a poor understanding of how exactly Jiraiya TAUGHT Naruto.
If you think that was sufficient teaching, then... kudos to you. I don't.


Bleh. I have to delete so so much... bumph because it's just too much.

I'll make some brief points to cover anything significant...

1. Yes, only two people summoning a Slug Summon because.... *gasp* Tsunade didn't teach everyone else, hence why they can't do it. Shocking, isn't it?

2. Sakura's "normal family" is a moot point. She has Tsunade from the age of 13, regardless of what happened in the Academy or under Kakashi's care. She had a Sannin for a Master and she is her main student...
It's like whining about how the other Rookies didn't get a Sannin. So she didn't have a Clan or shinobi parents, big whoop.


Also she posses the qualification to handle herself in such a team where every single remaining member is dealing with personal issues and be there for them if they would let her.

....Bullsh*t.


Sakura got the worst hit among three due to that trend as she was not the focus of the story and not even the girl meant for the hero. But her performance was not that bad to warrant such hate as a character.

No. It was.
 

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2. Sakura's "normal family" is a moot point. She has Tsunade from the age of 13, regardless of what happened in the Academy or under Kakashi's care. She had a Sannin for a Master and she is her main student...
It's like whining about how the other Rookies didn't get a Sannin. So she didn't have a Clan or shinobi parents, big whoop.

This point right here is my most favorite point from this post. This is the reason why I never fell for that whole "Shes a normal girl excuse". A normal girl does not get trained by a well known Sanin who is well known around the world for there medical ninjutsue. A normal girl is someone who starts out from below and reaches the top without any special resources. What Sakura is, is a special girl because she is part of a special team that consists of two legends Naruto and Sasuke. Which normal girl gets to be part of a team like that? I have not seen many.
 

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Sakura's family is uttery unknown, but it's obvious she is from a clan even that symbol she wears.
 

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But Tsunade didn't choose her to train out of the blue, Sakura was the one to go and ask her if she could train with her. So, Tsunade didn't choose her like Jiraya came for Naruto or Kakashi came to Sasuke and later Orochimaru for complete different reasons. Having special chakra control is a given ability indeed and made on purpose so she could develop super strength and awaken the Yin seal but we can't compare her to two special reincarnations and males in terms of power :| even though she's a female main character. Should be more developed but I think it doesn't deserve all the hate she gets.
 

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But Tsunade didn't choose her to train out of the blue, Sakura was the one to go and ask her if she could train with her. So, Tsunade didn't choose her like Jiraya came for Naruto or Kakashi came to Sasuke and later Orochimaru for complete different reasons. Having special chakra control is a given ability indeed and made on purpose so she could develop super strength and awaken the Yin seal but we can't compare her to two special reincarnations and males in terms of power :| even though she's a female main character. Should be more developed but I think it doesn't deserve all the hate she gets.

How many normal girls get to choose who train them? And specially someone who is well known around the world? So lets say if I wanna learn to be a good artist I can easily choose Kishi and become his student?
 

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How many normal girls get to choose who train them? And specially someone who is well known around the world? So lets say if I wanna learn to be a good artist I can easily choose Kishi and become his student?

You don't live with Kishi in the same village and Kishi doesn't happen to study in your college but if he was a main teacher of manga there, I don't see the problem in asking him to accept you as his student. Im sure Stephen Hawking, the world renowed physisicist has helped many students with their investigations in his college. Tsunade is Hokage and Hokages help the village. Of course someone like Tsunade could have easily refused but I don't see what's so strange in Sakura asking the Hokage for help if she was so determined in getting strong to help Naruto and bring a member of Konoha back to the village. She went there hoping to be trained by her and she got accepted. Fact is she is not a Uchiha nor Hyuuga nor a Senju or Uzumaki. She is from an unknown clan and happens to have a very useful ability because plot reasons and main female character but that's just it.
 
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You don't live with Kishi in the same village and Kishi doesn't happen to study in your college but if he was a main teacher of manga there, I don't see the problem in asking him to accept you as his student.

Even if I lived in the same village as Kishi that still does not mean he will right away train me. Also meeting him would not be easy, let alone starting a student teacher relationship. Kishi is not a main teacher of a college either but so isn't Tsunade.

Im sure Stephen Hawking, the world renowed physisicist has helped many students with their investigations in his college. Tsunade is Hokage and Hokages help the village. Of course someone like Tsunade could have easily refused but I don't see what's so strange in Sakura asking the Hokage for help if she was so determined in getting strong to help Naruto and bring a member of Konoha back to the village. She went their hoping to be trained by her and she got accepted. Fact is she is not a Uchiha nor Hyuuga nor a Senju or Uzumaki. She is from an unknown clan and happens to have a very useful ability because plot reasons and main female character but that's just it.

Tsunade is a Hokage not a teacher like Iruka. She is a well renowned Sannin who is basically up there as far as medical ninjustue is concerned. Can you honestly tell me with a honest face that most normal people would get accepted by someone with the caliber of Tsunade? Honestly I don't think so. That is why she is a special person not a normal person. Because only select few can get the opportunities like she did. She may not be a Senju, Uchiha nor Uzamaki but she is still someone who has had far more opportunities than any average human would to achieve her goals. Also being part of a team of legends or being paralleled with them takes only a special character to be part of it. No normal character would be part of something as special. Basically my point is, she's not from a special clan nor does she have any special heritages but plot made her special. Meaning she is not a normal girl she is a special girl.
 

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Even if I lived in the same village as Kishi that still does not mean he will right away train me. Also meeting him would not be easy, let alone starting a student teacher relationship. Kishi is not a main teacher of a college either but so isn't Tsunade.



Tsunade is a Hokage not a teacher like Iruka. She is a well renowned Sannin who is basically up there as far as medical ninjustue is concerned. Can you honestly tell me with a honest face that most normal people would get accepted by someone with the caliber of Tsunade? Honestly I don't think so. That is why she is a special person not a normal person. Because only select few can get the opportunities like she did. She may not be a Senju, Uchiha nor Uzamaki but she is still someone who has had far more opportunities than any average human would to achieve her goals. Also being part of a team of legends or being paralleled with them takes only a special character to be part of it. No normal character would be part of something as special. Basically my point is, she not from a special clan nor does she have a any special heritages but plot made her special. Meaning she is not a normal girl she is a special girl.

Even if Hokages are not teachers, they help the village so it's not so surprising she accepts a student She accepted Shizune too even being world renowned. If I recall, Ino went to Tsunade too to ask if she could train medical ninjutsu too and got accepted but Im not sure if that was a filler. Now of course Sakura had the ability that fit Tsunade's type of training and type of jutsu. Being the female main character of course she would have to be more special than others and thus the fact she was accepted by Tsunade too. The other rookies all belonged to a specific clan with specific features except from Tenten who might be the only one similar to Sakura aside from the fact that she is not a main character and thus she wasn't put in a main team nor was trained by Tsunade. For a main character and for a female in a shonnen my point is that one couldn't expect that she would catch up to the two male main characters that are reincarnations and got special power-ups. She got strong enough to help heal everyone in the war and help her team as much as she could. She got strong enough to make Kakashi acknowledge her in early part 2 and for Hashirama to also value her stregth. Kishi should have developed her background, her reasons for loving Sasuke and make more fights where she would use her skills but well he didn't. I don't think she should receive this much hate because of that. Kishi just isn't good with female characters aside from a few exceptions.
 
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The reason why we don't know anything about her clan is because she was unpopular, according to Kishi.
 

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The reason why we don't know anything about her clan is because she was unpopular, according to Kishi.

Well that's probably because of her 12 year old personality compared to Hinata who became much more likable for being more adorable in a way. Also, Naruto is the main character and we know next to nothing about his clan. Was that because Sasuke was more popular?
 

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Well that's probably because of her 12 year old personality compared to Hinata who became much more likable for being more adorable in a way. Also, Naruto is the main character and we know next to nothing about his clan. Was that because Sasuke was more popular?

Naruto's clan was meant to be unknown because he was an orphan and we found out about them later(way more info was given about them than Sakura's).
 
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