I fully accept that they are not ment to be exactly the same that ideals matter. But the fact is Hashirama's ideals were very dark towards the end. He wouldn't attempt to save Madara from his darkness any longer. He gave up!
Hashirama tried to negotiate with him over and over. He was the Hokage while a mad man was attacking his village. He wasn't going to just sit there and cry about it.
Thats the exact opposite of how Ashura was supposed to act.
Wrong. Ashura and Indra blew each other up in their final fight, which has been foreshadowed for Naruto and Sasuke's final fight.
Hashirama also feared and held enough prejudice against the Biju not to trust them on their own and hence helped seal the Kyuubi within his own wife.
Naruto too for the longest time believed Kurama was a monster and used him in the same manner. This was because both he and Hashirama were ignorant of whom the bijuus were. They did not possess the Rinnegan and the Uchiha stone. Furthermore, it's implied the bijuus had been wreaking havoic in the world during Hashirama's time.
He used the Biju as bargaining chips.
Yes, Hashirama was not perfect. He did not know or understand everything. However, he valued peace and the people over war and himself, reflecting Ashura and Naruto.
Are these the acts of an idealist or a realist? Ashura was always supposed to be someone that cared about others, biju or human. Hashirama rationalized his actions with the "greater good" but ultimately all he created was more hate and anguish.
The events of the world and the knowledge Hashirama possessed were different from those of Ashura's. If you paid any attention to Hashirama's father, it showed that the Senju at the time had degraded pretty much to jerks who favored war and superiority over peace and forced their own children to fight. Hashirama rejected this and his father beat him as a result. Butsuma and Tajima were rvials and leaders of the clan, but they were purposely not constructed to mirror Ashura/Hashirama/Naruto or Indra/Madara/Sasuke. And actually, Hashirama and Tobirama's ideals were passed down to Hiruzen, who gave Konoha a fifty year peace.
Those don't seem like the actions of either Naruto or Ashura.
Right, ending war with clans you had fought against for generations, offering an eye for an eye for the peace, making the village system that ultimately led to a melting pot and a democracy and creating a peace between them through capitalism, trade and the exchange of power is totally unlike Naruto and Ashura whom also value the people over themselves.
Not everything needs to be stated exatly.
Technically, for your theory to hold ground, the data you use must be factual for the most part. It looks like Ashura used the bijuus, however, we still do not know how or if he did for sure. For all we know, the bijuus may not have liked either of the sons and favored Hagoromo instead.
Kishi stated that Ashura was the heir to the biju's as well by showing off Indra's Biju mode.
What indra was using was likely susano'o. And if that was a typo and you meant Ashura, it may not have been all the bijuus if all all, because it is not stated and it resembles Kurama with no other bijuu resemblances. Furthermore, it is not stated he used all the bijuus, if any.
If thats not Biju mode then explain to me what Ashura's Mode form is when facing Indra.
I'm not saying it isn't, however, I'm also not saying it is, because it isns't written in stone what it was. It could have just been the form of his yang chakra for all we know.
We see the glowing construct wielding Bijudamas which looks exactly like Naruto own Kyuubi Biju mode.
Rasengan is based off the bijuu dama and Naruto mastered it without harmonizing with Kurama.
If you can't be bothered to draw your own conclusions from such an obvious piece of information then I'm sorry I can't make you understand.
I'm not saying that you're exactly wrong in this respect, just that you don't know the circumstances behind Ashura's relationship with the bijuus to state that he was harmonized with all of them, if at all.
Hashirama can't have the same ideals as Ashura or even Naruto because he never experienced being useless.
That isn't how Hashirama's ideals were constructed. They were constructed via the carnage he faced growing up as a child in war and his father being a warmongering jerk rather than a uniter. Hashirama did not have to be "a pariah" or "powerless" to develop virtuous ideals. That's your own subjective, invalid opinion. And the paradox to this is that one way or another, both Naruto and Ashura through hard work like Hashirama became strong.
He was always strong he never could understand how it would be like to be weak because he never has been weak.
Right, a prepubescent child fighting in wars against his will is totally not weak. Perhaps you didn't see his little brother outmatched and killed by a half a dozen adult Uchiha? Hashirama never used his mokuton or senjutsu at such an age either, making you that much more presumptuous.
There are OBVIOUS problems with Hashirama being selected for "ideals" not to mention the fact that babies don't have ideals =_=.
A narrow-minded statement. When they are raised from birth to be warriors and are prodigies, they can be. This was how the Spartans were. Mozart was a prodigy and at age four began writing his own symphonies. Are you still going to continue to generalize that "babies" have no goals or ideals? Oh wait, Hashirama was not a baby. He was a child.
Obviously Hashirama gained Ashura's Chakra as a newborn just like Naruto. Ideas obviously don't play a damn part in this.
Actually, they do. There is the paradox. As stated before, these people are their own individuals who grew up in different environments. They have been stated to be similar to each other, but not exactly the same. If that were the case, there would be no story and Ashura and Indra would have seen eye to eye and created permanent peace during their own time. Hashirama's ideals formed from witnessing children dying in war off and on his whole life while his father followed the path of the warmonger rather than the peacekeeper and uniter. It's all environment. Inheriting someone's chakra does not mean that chakra controls their minds and takes over their individuality.
