valandil988
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I have to say I feel that Kishi's foreshadowing of the progression of Naruto and Sasuke has been done.....well kind of poorly. Let me point out what I mean.
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Hashirama/Ashura and Madara/Indra
For half the manga we all believed that Naruto was closer to the reincarnation of the sage rather than the sage's younger son. Hence to me personally I felt quite jarred when Kishi pulled out all the stops with the Naruto = Ashura stuff. It just didn't really seem to fit from what I had seen so far.
To me Hashirama was a far better example of the younger son. The fact that the sage seems to have stated that Naruto is just like Ashura seems kind of odd to me. Why was Hashirama so awesome? If its the fate of the Younger son to always be the underdog then why the heck did Ashura choose Hashirama? A certified prodigy from the get go that outstripped even Madara in talent??? I'm sorry the comparison just doesn't seem to fit at all.
I had from these examples always imagined that the younger son and the elder son were equal in smarts and skill only with different approaches to life and peace. Now it seems like Ashura needed the tailed beasts to match up against Indra. So does that mean Hashirama > Ashura??? It certainly seems so.
Over all Sasuke is a good match for the elder son, this has never been in doubt and is well established, his state of affairs concerning foreshadowing is very solid. Hence the line of examples makes perfect sense. Indra/Madara/Sasuke all very similar, we can see why they were chosen. The exact opposite of Naruto's position.
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A comparison of Ashura vs Naruto:
Ashura was chosen to hold the tailed beasts by his father, ergo he was given a choice to be Heir and accepted. Naruto had greatness thrust upon him, he was never in the position to choose.
Naruto had to earn the trust of the tailed beasts, Ashura it seems was given it due to their currently young and impressionable nature.
Naruto for much of his early life didn't have a personal teacher, Ashura had the fricken Sage of six paths to tutor him.
All Naruto needed was for people to teach him and acknowledge him, this is shown by his ability to master wind chakra extremely rapidly never mind his sage jutsu. Ashura however seems to be far WORSE than Naruto it seems he has had all the opportunities but overall didn't seize them like Naruto did.
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Inconsistencies with Ashura's choices of "hosts"
The only other we know of is Hashirama I restate how odd a choice this is. Compared to Ashura Hashirama couldn't be more different.
Hashirama is a Prodigy no matter what you say, his ability to use Mokuton marks him as a 1 in a ten thousand maybe even more prodigy. The fact that people fought over his genetic material long after his death is a sure sign of his body's strength and natural ability. Compared to Ashura who is apparently a no good talentless dunce they couldn't be more dissimilar.
Hashirama's reaction to the tailed beasts is one of fear and prejudice again it seems to be at odds with Ashura's own characteristics.
The next so called "host" is Naruto who apparently personifies all of Ashura's worst and best traits. I'm sorry but I have to vehemently disagree with Mr Sage on his "compliments" or insults. The sage tried to make is sound like Ashura was very similar to Naruto, but if you think about it their situations couldn't be more different. Ashura was the son of a veritable Kami, likely beloved or at the very least acknowledged by all. Naruto was more or less hated since his birth by the general populace.
As I have listed above in "A comparison of Ashura vs Naruto" Naruto couldn't be more different from Ashura when considered logically.
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In conclusion I have decided that there is something very fishy going on with this whole Ashura = Naruto set up.
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Hashirama/Ashura and Madara/Indra
For half the manga we all believed that Naruto was closer to the reincarnation of the sage rather than the sage's younger son. Hence to me personally I felt quite jarred when Kishi pulled out all the stops with the Naruto = Ashura stuff. It just didn't really seem to fit from what I had seen so far.
To me Hashirama was a far better example of the younger son. The fact that the sage seems to have stated that Naruto is just like Ashura seems kind of odd to me. Why was Hashirama so awesome? If its the fate of the Younger son to always be the underdog then why the heck did Ashura choose Hashirama? A certified prodigy from the get go that outstripped even Madara in talent??? I'm sorry the comparison just doesn't seem to fit at all.
I had from these examples always imagined that the younger son and the elder son were equal in smarts and skill only with different approaches to life and peace. Now it seems like Ashura needed the tailed beasts to match up against Indra. So does that mean Hashirama > Ashura??? It certainly seems so.
Over all Sasuke is a good match for the elder son, this has never been in doubt and is well established, his state of affairs concerning foreshadowing is very solid. Hence the line of examples makes perfect sense. Indra/Madara/Sasuke all very similar, we can see why they were chosen. The exact opposite of Naruto's position.
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A comparison of Ashura vs Naruto:
Ashura was chosen to hold the tailed beasts by his father, ergo he was given a choice to be Heir and accepted. Naruto had greatness thrust upon him, he was never in the position to choose.
Naruto had to earn the trust of the tailed beasts, Ashura it seems was given it due to their currently young and impressionable nature.
Naruto for much of his early life didn't have a personal teacher, Ashura had the fricken Sage of six paths to tutor him.
All Naruto needed was for people to teach him and acknowledge him, this is shown by his ability to master wind chakra extremely rapidly never mind his sage jutsu. Ashura however seems to be far WORSE than Naruto it seems he has had all the opportunities but overall didn't seize them like Naruto did.
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Inconsistencies with Ashura's choices of "hosts"
The only other we know of is Hashirama I restate how odd a choice this is. Compared to Ashura Hashirama couldn't be more different.
Hashirama is a Prodigy no matter what you say, his ability to use Mokuton marks him as a 1 in a ten thousand maybe even more prodigy. The fact that people fought over his genetic material long after his death is a sure sign of his body's strength and natural ability. Compared to Ashura who is apparently a no good talentless dunce they couldn't be more dissimilar.
Hashirama's reaction to the tailed beasts is one of fear and prejudice again it seems to be at odds with Ashura's own characteristics.
The next so called "host" is Naruto who apparently personifies all of Ashura's worst and best traits. I'm sorry but I have to vehemently disagree with Mr Sage on his "compliments" or insults. The sage tried to make is sound like Ashura was very similar to Naruto, but if you think about it their situations couldn't be more different. Ashura was the son of a veritable Kami, likely beloved or at the very least acknowledged by all. Naruto was more or less hated since his birth by the general populace.
As I have listed above in "A comparison of Ashura vs Naruto" Naruto couldn't be more different from Ashura when considered logically.
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In conclusion I have decided that there is something very fishy going on with this whole Ashura = Naruto set up.
