Kishimoto's one major flaw.

[Xerotes]

- Yo for the one comparing the mangas.. they are all equal.... Bleach sh*ts on both in fighting.. Naruto has better character.. One piece has a grander story.. Why the hell are you trying to compare which one is better?

- My point of comparison was to say what Naruto could've done better.

- For the kishimoto lovers who are gettin hurt, i can't discuss what could have made it a better manga? am i saying it sucks? no. Its something i would have liked to see in Kishimoto's manga.. that is all.

Why don't you guys focus on simply discussing the topic, instead of going offtopic? Thank you very much sistas and brothas.

The one thing that could have made this manga way more amazing is if Kishimoto didn't rush it, like for example when he brought back the Akatsuki members for the war because he rushed it and made it Alliance vs a bunch of weak ass Zetsu then all the Akatsuki members got wrecked for no reason, the Seven Swordsman of The Mist were hyped up then got destroyed off panel, if he stretched things out and took his time the war could have been wayyyy better, instead we got a shit ton of talking and the good guys just solo'd everyone like they were from part 1 or something.

Plus Kishimoto held back on so many characters, he hyped up Sasori to be some guy who bloodied a damn desert then when he is in action he gets destroyed and just flings puppets around, Kakuzu ( <3 ) fought Hashirama and LIVED then got simply embarrassingly wrecked by Naruto who just learned a technique, then came back with Edo Tensei and got beaten even worse. Kishimoto should have took his time and made his villains more than just tools to show off heroes new techniques.

 

[KingHashirama]

I honestly have to say kishi isn't the best of story writers. Seriously, probably half of his concepts are stolen/used from either DBZ, HxH, or East Asian religions and myths.

HxH and Naruto share some of the main sources..

And applying religions and myth to a manga based on cultural society is kind of cool actually. (to me atleast.)

I don't think i know of any other manga that focuses this much on bonds, yet its readers to grasp any knowledge about it.

That's what happens if you mention all three in the same thread fella

I guess, people simply can't maintain their desire to bash another manga. X_X

What the show misses is the feeling of Naruto being a underdog, now he's so strong it's not as cool as before

Underdogs are overrated now.

His flaw was making Hashirama exist.
Come at me, bro!

I agree though. Should have never made such a thing called a "perfect Shinobi". Just increases the butthurt in the fans.

 

[Kαmi]

I completely agree here. It's actually the thing that bugs me the most in this manga and one of the reasons I prefer OP over Naruto the way I do. I just feel like the depth the Narutoverse has now is not up to its full potential when it comes toe history, background and other characters.

 

[take it easy]

oda makes same mistake like kishi

 

[KingHashirama]

oda makes same mistake like kishi

Not really mistakes.. but more like things they could have done.

I completely agree here. It's actually the thing that bugs me the most in this manga and one of the reasons I prefer OP over Naruto the way I do. I just feel like the depth the Narutoverse has now is not up to its full potential when it comes toe history, background and other characters.

for example, we won't know a sh*t about the starting of the other villages.. Hell watch even the anime won't cover it.

 

[Tobi98]

But on the other hand the plot is all around the SH, only in the War arc did it change a little, and Luffy was still the center of the war

 

[Amaterasuice]

I do agree with you. But to everyone else who are comparing bleach, OP, and Naruto; they all have good sides and flaws. They wouldn't be the top three current manga if they weren't at least around equal. I personally do not like OP, but it's obviously an appealing story to others.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

And he still hasn't had Naruto kiss a girl

 

[KingHashirama]

But on the other hand the plot is all around the SH, only in the War arc did it change a little, and Luffy was still the center of the war

Plot is not around the main character, but instead the story of that character. Meaning everything that happens around him. For example, if the jounins of konoha would have been available, Naruto and etc would have never been sent.

We tend to look at mangas such as OP and Naruto as things that are going to happen, instead of treating them like a biography , as in things that happened in the life of Naruto.

Its like looking at half filled glass of water, is it half empty or half full.

 

[Kαmi]

for example, we won't know a sh*t about the starting of the other villages.. Hell watch even the anime won't cover it.

Exactly what I'm saying, that's a really good point. I wish Kishi would have given these other villages depth instead of just Konoha. But I remember you said in a thread a while ago that the story centers around Naruto and that's why the story is centered around Konoha the way it is. It was a good point back then that I still can't help but agree with now. Because of my personal preference in story telling, this is why Naruto doesn't get as much love from me as other mangas I've read. IMO, the world Kishi set up is so broad but seems vague compared to the details we've been given throughout the manga.

 

[Dark Magician]

And he still hasn't had Naruto kiss a girl

He kissed Sasuke and Sakura which one is more of a girl is up to you.

 

[KingHashirama]

Exactly what I'm saying, that's a really good point. I wish Kishi would have given these other villages depth instead of just Konoha. But I remember you said in a thread a while ago that the story centers around Naruto and that's why the story is centered around Konoha the way it is. It was a good point back then that I still can't help but agree with now. Because of my personal preference in story telling, this is why Naruto doesn't get as much love from me as other mangas I've read. IMO, the world Kishi set up is so broad but seems vague compared to the details we've been given throughout the manga.

yea honestly, Kishimoto should either have the manga pull these flashbacks out, or maybe the databook.. OR have the anime focus on this stuff, while in the Hashirama flashbacks.

Yea that is usually the reason why some don't like Naruto as much. Its too centered.

 

[Chie]

1- Naruto is still a better overall manga than OP...
2- Definitely Naruto lacks some aspects in which other mangas are better...

I agree with you somehow...

^^^^I agree with this.

 

[Solo]

Exactly what I'm saying, that's a really good point. I wish Kishi would have given these other villages depth instead of just Konoha. But I remember you said in a thread a while ago that the story centers around Naruto and that's why the story is centered around Konoha the way it is. It was a good point back then that I still can't help but agree with now. Because of my personal preference in story telling, this is why Naruto doesn't get as much love from me as other mangas I've read. IMO, the world Kishi set up is so broad but seems vague compared to the details we've been given throughout the manga.

I believe Kishi just wanted to go with the MAIN villains instead. Let's be honest, each village could take an entire arc itself. Kishi is also VERY repetitive in his work. Shit would have been like Fairy Tail.

I think he went the best route, tbh.

 

[vasu 32]

You mean to say like the way he did part 1 ? Part 1 is an example that he can focus on multi characters but the fact is unlike one piece or bleach ,the manga's name is on main protagonist. It's a manga which is more closer to the protagonists life journey. Sure it had it's moment of giving panel time to other characters,but in the end it revolves around the life of protagonist. It's more like plot driven story and that what makes it unique. What's more,it's not like kishi neglected other char. but in reality he focused on akatsuki,kages,ino-shika-cho,gai,kakashi,asuma,kurenai,jiraya,literally so many important char. beside main char.s yet people are blind for that & last but not the least,how do u define char. developmen? For me it's growth in maturity from the last time,even if the char. got 1 panels at max,not that where he gets equal panel time every arc yet acts immature every time.