Kishimoto what have you done? Lost for ideas

[DeeaRose]

I just want kishi to stop with naruto and focus on mario tbh

 

[DeathXVII]

Salad is not an uchiha
Boruto rival could never be a female

Sarada is not a Uchiha? She unlocked the Sharingan. Only Uchiha are able to do that.

What's wrong with having a "female rival"? Is that a bad thing?

 

[Char Aznable]

Not even Dragonball got this redundant and repetitive. Toriyama didn't succeed at everything, but at least he tried conveying new ideas and not recycling old ones but with different characters.

 

[ninjarasengan]

She was going to copy someone regardless...Kids learn from their parents usually...that is how Nv works.

So, why did anyone expect her to have some random fighting style?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I totally agree. Sarada was one of the biggest disappointments this morning.

 

[Merkel]

Gaiden honestly sucks. We have seen nothing except shit about Sadara like you said. The dialog at some parts sucks aswell... The movie looks awesome though.

Yeah I'm hype for the movie.

Kishi is one of the most unoriginal mangakas that I know of. Either that or he's damn lazy. I just want this gaiden to be over already tbh. Thank god I got Toriko still.

True I agree as the manga went on he got more unoriginal but now he's just recycling his own damn ideas like no tomorrow.
PS: I'm still a sucker for the manga lol. I love it still.

YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE,need to understand that shes ****ing 10 *****es geez,what do you want her to do?!She can't be superwoman and ameterasu the villian's ass in a second just because shes sasuke's kid.
Now please,go read something else.

How about you go READ my OP again because you clearly missed the point. I never said she needed to be stronger or weaker. I said she needed to be DIFFERENT.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Kishimoto just opened up sarada to having the highest potential among the rookies.

The sharingan offers her the ability to adapt any ninjutsu to her fighting style, along with inherent genjutsu capabilities.
Her use of the 'power punch' or whatever it's canonically called has now established that she has immense chakra control. This chakra control allows her to learn a wide variety of jutsu, among which could be Byakugo.

now, the real big deal about all this, in the long run, is that once sakura unlocks her 3 tomoe sharingan, she will automatically have:
1) The visual prowess to track the movement of characters up to the speed of a V2 Ay

2) Shushin abilities capable of incredible speeds to rival some of the fastest characters around - Shushin comes from focusing chakra in the feet (easier to do than hands), then emitting it in a huge burst to provide a huge speed bump. This chapter has shown some decent reaching time from her and We've already seen sakura perform some very decent shushin, while her father is essentially a shushin god. Her potential for God-like speed is immense.

3) The strength to immediately have more power than a ribcage susano'o. In fact, she already has more strength than a rib cage susano'o by the feats of this chapter, allowing her to severely injure those she hits directly. The genjutsu abilities of sharingan provide the illusion and stun capabilities to provide sufficient time for her to hit most opponents.

4) The sharingan and chakra control combination opens her up to learning to use basically any jutsu in near no time at all - basic rasengan, byakugo, shadow clone, arsenal of fire jutsu, array of taijutsu styles. They're literally all at her disposal the second she glances it with her sharingan; after which, she simply needs to adapt her body to be able to use them.

5) Lastly, she has the potential of owning a near infinite chakra supply, thanks to her potential for learning byakugo as discussed above. Now, Byakugo might seem like a reach, however there have been only 2 people in the series to use tsunade's super strength fighting style... Tsunade and sakura; coincidentally two users who eventually learnt how to use byakugo, without the aid of sharingan insta-learn hax.

Sarada, right now, has the potential to be the strongest non-ms uchiha out - healing, super strength, near limitless chakra, god-like speed. The only thing which can hold her back at this point is an Itachi-style retcon disease.

 

[Merkel]

She was going to copy someone regardless...Kids learn from their parents usually...that is how Nv works.

So, why did anyone expect her to have some random fighting style?

I didn't expect her to have a random fighting style, I actually expected her to hardly have a fighting style at that point. Sharingan and academy jutsu was enough for me. Even so, if she just learned some Basic Katon from Sakura, which is hardly out of the question as someone like Sakura being able to teach it despite not using it. It's only hand seals and basic ninjutsu concepts which Sakura can surely handle with her knowledge so it wouldn't be an asspull for Sarada to know fireball jutsu. Atleast with Katon she has other options for her fighting style but with CES it's pretty much foreshadowing that she will be a fighter like her mother despite being an UCHIHA. I hope that's not the case though.

I totally agree. Sarada was one of the biggest disappointments this morning.

Yeah me too. Mini Juubi getting falcon punched was highlight for me though.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tsunade even immortalized herself through a uchiha. Orochimaru can't win

 

[UnknownJin]

well she's been living with her mom , no wonder... and dont talk shit about Sarada!

 

[Merkel]

Kishimoto just opened up sarada to having the highest potential among the rookies.

The sharingan offers her the ability to adapt any ninjutsu to her fighting style, along with inherent genjutsu capabilities.
Her use of the 'power punch' or whatever it's canonically called has now established that she has immense chakra control. This chakra control allows her to learn a wide variety of jutsu, among which could be Byakugo.

now, the real big deal about all this, in the long run, is that once sakura unlocks her 3 tomoe sharingan, she will automatically have:
1) The visual prowess to track the movement of characters up to the speed of a V2 Ay

2) Shushin abilities capable of incredible speeds to rival some of the fastest characters around - Shushin comes from focusing chakra in the feet (easier to do than hands), then emitting it in a huge burst to provide a huge speed bump. This chapter has shown some decent reaching time from her and We've already seen sakura perform some very decent shushin, while her father is essentially a shushin god. Her potential for God-like speed is immense.

3) The strength to immediately have more power than a ribcage susano'o. In fact, she already has more strength than a rib cage susano'o by the feats of this chapter, allowing her to severely injure those she hits directly. The genjutsu abilities of sharingan provide the illusion and stun capabilities to provide sufficient time for her to hit most opponents.

4) The sharingan and chakra control combination opens her up to learning to use basically any jutsu in near no time at all - basic rasengan, byakugo, shadow clone, arsenal of fire jutsu, array of taijutsu styles. They're literally all at her disposal the second she glances it with her sharingan; after which, she simply needs to adapt her body to be able to use them.

5) Lastly, she has the potential of owning a near infinite chakra supply, thanks to her potential for learning byakugo as discussed above. Now, Byakugo might seem like a reach, however there have been only 2 people in the series to use tsunade's super strength fighting style... Tsunade and sakura; coincidentally two users who eventually learnt how to use byakugo, without the aid of sharingan insta-learn hax.

Sarada, right now, has the potential to be the strongest non-ms uchiha out - healing, super strength, near limitless chakra, god-like speed. The only thing which can hold her back at this point is an Itachi-style retcon disease.

That's all very well but potential and reality are both different things my friend. Besides I don't care what her potential is, she is going to be like Sakura with a Sharingan and that bores me...

1) Her father has a very good shunshin but he also has an enhanced body. Shunshin isn't passed down through genetics and if shunshin was just chakra control then Sakura would be a beast at it, but she's not.

2) You don't have to tell me what the Sharingan can do. And Sasuke had to resort to Susanoo against Ay so he wasn't really keeping up. Hebi Sasuke couldn't keep up with Bee either. I still acknowledge the predictive abilities of the Sharingan though.

3) More punching power than a rib-cage susanoo? Meh. Who cares? Prior to Byakugou Sakura had that much punching power, but what did it matter? She was still nothing special.

4) Everyone knows the Sharingan copying is just hype and was no longer relevant after Part 1, only thing we know it has copied was Lee's lotus. She won't be copying shit all with the Sharingan. And Sakura had perfect chakra control but did she go and learn any jutsu? No. She is the most linear and has the least amount of jutsu out of team 7 at every point in the manga.

5) I know she will most likely learn Byakugou and that is why I'm disappointed. So repetitive. Byakugou is not near-limitless chakra. It is at like a bijuu level. Also, Sakura and Tsunade were not known for their speed and definitely did not have "god-like" speed and neither will Sarada.

well she's been living with her mom , no wonder... and dont talk shit about Sarada!

Yeah but I would have rathered her not have CES at all then have it aswell as being only 10 years old. Just giving my opinion man, you can't deny it is unoriginal though. It's fine if you like the idea of Sakura copy except with a Sharingan but that's not for me.

Tsunade even immortalized herself through a uchiha. Orochimaru can't win

Sorry what?

 

[ninjarasengan]

I didn't expect her to have a random fighting style, I actually expected her to hardly have a fighting style at that point. Sharingan and academy jutsu was enough for me. Even so, if she just learned some Basic Katon from Sakura, which is hardly out of the question as someone like Sakura being able to teach it despite not using it. It's only hand seals and basic ninjutsu concepts which Sakura can surely handle with her knowledge so it wouldn't be an asspull for Sarada to know fireball jutsu. Atleast with Katon she has other options for her fighting style but with CES it's pretty much foreshadowing that she will be a fighter like her mother despite being an UCHIHA. I hope that's not the case though.




Yeah me too. Mini Juubi getting falcon punched was highlight for me though.

So, another person spewing fire is more interesting? Only thing Uchiha have shown with fire-style is a few fireball type Jutsu. Shoot fireball as diversion meh...
To each his own i suppose:bdpf:

 

[WalksInShadows]

prior before this chapter, ppl presumed to know that the staff wasn't planning on giving Salad anything to make her respectable. There's no point in saying Kishimoto ran out of ideas just because she was given something some ppl won't like. If the staff truly ran out of ideas, then she'd have nothing other than a Sharingan. She's barely in her teen years, and she's already physically stronger than her dad ever was. The last Uchiha that was capable of 1 shotting someone with a physical strike was Madara, so i couldn't help but be a bit happy for that.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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That's all very well but potential and reality are both different things my friend. Besides I don't care what her potential is, she is going to be like Sakura with a Sharingan and that bores me...

1) Her father has a very good shunshin but he also has an enhanced body. Shunshin isn't passed down through genetics and if shunshin was just chakra control then Sakura would be a beast at it, but she's not.

2) You don't have to tell me what the Sharingan can do. And Sasuke had to resort to Susanoo against Ay so he wasn't really keeping up. Hebi Sasuke couldn't keep up with Bee either. I still acknowledge the predictive abilities of the Sharingan though.

3) More punching power than a rib-cage susanoo? Meh. Who cares? Prior to Byakugou Sakura had that much punching power, but what did it matter? She was still nothing special.

4) Everyone knows the Sharingan copying is just hype and was no longer relevant after Part 1, only thing we know it has copied was Lee's lotus. She won't be copying shit all with the Sharingan. And Sakura had perfect chakra control but did she go and learn any jutsu? No. She is the most linear and has the least amount of jutsu out of team 7 at every point in the manga.

5) I know she will most likely learn Byakugou and that is why I'm disappointed. So repetitive. Byakugou is not near-limitless chakra. It is at like a bijuu level. Also, Sakura and Tsunade were not known for their speed and definitely did not have "god-like" speed and neither will Sarada.




Yeah but I would have rathered her not have CES at all then have it aswell as being only 10 years old. Just giving my opinion man, you can't deny it is unoriginal though. It's fine if you like the idea of Sakura copy except with a Sharingan but that's not for me.




Sorry what?

Kishi is about bringing a point across and foreshadowing. Of all the things that could've happened, he made sarada perform a move simultaneously reflecting both her father and mother - Ducking past the shuriken at high speed like sasuke commonly does with raikiri, and the punch. It's to hint at what is to come in the future - the sara will reflect aspects of both her mom and dad; Sakura and sasuke respectively. Also, it's to try to show the bond between her and her mom and yadi yadi.

1) sakura has, on quite a few situations shown some considerable shushin speed feats, along with tsunade. a few ex. Tsunade shushin punch madara, sakura shushin into the air against mini juubis, sakkura shushin in academy to keep up with ino, Sasuke shushin on mist bridge to out speed a, noted, considerably faster opponent. There are many instances of pure shushin out pacing speedsters. Shushin is purely about chakra control and I'm referring to hebi and MS sasuke who don't have advanced bodies.

2) I said he could visually track. The sharingan effortly kept up with Bee, Ay and even juubito; It's his body that couldn't react. This point is completely different to mine.

3) Sakura doesn't have 'battle' screen time, so this point is essentially moot. Before byakugo, all she did was act as a medic; which she primarily is. Super strength in hands of someone who is primarily a fighter is different than in the hands of someone who isn't.

4) Sasuke used it to copy chidori, then trained his body to be able to use it. It's been established since day 1 that as long as they see a non-KKG it's copied. It's a matter of whether or not they decide to use the jutsu or not. Kakashi has 1000+ jutsu, yet only uses about 30; Doesn't mean he doesn't have the other 970+, he just hasn't chosen to use it yet. Sarada can Incorporate whichever techniques she need to create her own fighting style. Further more, you're just because she uses super strength doesn't mean she uses sakura/tsunade's fighting style. The technique simply increases damage output, that's all, after which point she's free to use whatever style she wants. She can go use gentle fist if she wants and incoporate it with the high physical DPS; She's not restricted to one fighting style, only you're restricting her.

5) How exactly is byakugo repetitive? Because you don't like it? There are 4 MS users, 4 susano'o users, 3 Sage users, 4 Jins, 5 rasengan users, 4 rinnegan users who've all had plenty of screen time; Yet, there are only 2 byakugo users who have 2 fights worth of screen time between themselves (tsunade vs madara & sakura vs juubi). Byakugo has the least screen time and the least restrictions. All it does is heal and provide a huge chakra stock(remote healing and strength are different abilities), it can literally be applied to might guy, naruto, sasuke or an ant and their fighting style and techniques wouldn't change a single bit - they'd simply get healing and chakra stock.

CES is the best ability for sarada right now because it's the ability with the least screen time and it opens up sarada to being the first uchiha in history to naturally learn the ability to heal. No one wants more chidori, rasengan, or susano'o camping nonsense. THOSE are overplayed with literally hundreds of chapters of screen time.

oh and btw, Byakugo does have near limitless chakra stocks(which is what bijuu level chakra is commonly referred to throughout the series). She healed the equivalent of 7 kages, along with an army. Sakura completely replenished base naruto's chakra stock, then went on to use byakugo, then went on to heal an entire army.

 

[NineSNS]

If Kishi could curse a character with a single move, the Sakura punch would be the one for him to use.

When Sarada was only showing her Uchiha-ness, everybody loved her. Give the poor kid a Sakura move, and her popularity just tanked.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

If Kishi could curse a character with a single move, the Sakura punch would be the one for him to use.

When Sarada was only showing her Uchiha-ness, everybody loved her. Give the poor kid a Sakura move, and her popularity just tanked.

Do you know whats even more sad? She was the first Uchiha girl to finally get some spotlight. Yet her fighting style was changed to one of the most stalest fighting styles. It puts a bad taste in the mouth of those who expected better.

 

[ultraChalk]

You know I didn't think anything of it at first but you're right... I really hope that Sarada develops a more diverse arsenal beyond 'punch this punch that'...

 

[Merkel]

So, another person spewing fire is more interesting? Only thing Uchiha have shown with fire-style is a few fireball type Jutsu. Shoot fireball as diversion meh...
To each his own i suppose:bdpf:

Yeah, you missed my point. Pretty much all Uchiha had Katon but their fighting style didn't revolve around it. In terms of redundancy and monotonousness of basic Katon and CES I see them as fairly the same however now that Sarada had CES it probably means she will just end up with the same lamo fighting style like her mother.

Kishi is about bringing a point across and foreshadowing. Of all the things that could've happened, he made sarada perform a move simultaneously reflecting both her father and mother - Ducking past the shuriken at high speed like sasuke commonly does with raikiri, and the punch. It's to hint at what is to come in the future - the sara will reflect aspects of both her mom and dad; Sakura and sasuke respectively. Also, it's to try to show the bond between her and her mom and yadi yadi.

1) sakura has, on quite a few situations shown some considerable shushin speed feats, along with tsunade. a few ex. Tsunade shushin punch madara, sakura shushin into the air against mini juubis, sakkura shushin in academy to keep up with ino, Sasuke shushin on mist bridge to out speed a, noted, considerably faster opponent. There are many instances of pure shushin out pacing speedsters. Shushin is purely about chakra control and I'm referring to hebi and MS sasuke who don't have advanced bodies.

2) I said he could visually track. The sharingan effortly kept up with Bee, Ay and even juubito; It's his body that couldn't react. This point is completely different to mine.

3) Sakura doesn't have 'battle' screen time, so this point is essentially moot. Before byakugo, all she did was act as a medic; which she primarily is. Super strength in hands of someone who is primarily a fighter is different than in the hands of someone who isn't.

4) Sasuke used it to copy chidori, then trained his body to be able to use it. It's been established since day 1 that as long as they see a non-KKG it's copied. It's a matter of whether or not they decide to use the jutsu or not. Kakashi has 1000+ jutsu, yet only uses about 30; Doesn't mean he doesn't have the other 970+, he just hasn't chosen to use it yet. Sarada can Incorporate whichever techniques she need to create her own fighting style. Further more, you're just because she uses super strength doesn't mean she uses sakura/tsunade's fighting style. The technique simply increases damage output, that's all, after which point she's free to use whatever style she wants. She can go use gentle fist if she wants and incoporate it with the high physical DPS; She's not restricted to one fighting style, only you're restricting her.

5) How exactly is byakugo repetitive? Because you don't like it? There are 4 MS users, 4 susano'o users, 3 Sage users, 4 Jins, 5 rasengan users, 4 rinnegan users who've all had plenty of screen time; Yet, there are only 2 byakugo users who have 2 fights worth of screen time between themselves (tsunade vs madara & sakura vs juubi). Byakugo has the least screen time and the least restrictions. All it does is heal and provide a huge chakra stock(remote healing and strength are different abilities), it can literally be applied to might guy, naruto, sasuke or an ant and their fighting style and techniques wouldn't change a single bit - they'd simply get healing and chakra stock.

CES is the best ability for sarada right now because it's the ability with the least screen time and it opens up sarada to being the first uchiha in history to naturally learn the ability to heal. No one wants more chidori, rasengan, or susano'o camping nonsense. THOSE are overplayed with literally hundreds of chapters of screen time.

oh and btw, Byakugo does have near limitless chakra stocks(which is what bijuu level chakra is commonly referred to throughout the series). She healed the equivalent of 7 kages, along with an army. Sakura completely replenished base naruto's chakra stock, then went on to use byakugo, then went on to heal an entire army.

Cbs addressing every detail but here we go:

That little segment about Kishi foreshadowing Sarada directly representing both sides of her parents is bollocks. Pure fanfic. Her dodging a shuriken is meant to be a representatoin of her father? Please.

1) My point being if Shunshin was just about chakra control, then Sakura, Tsunade and Hyugas would have be at the pinnacle of the shunshin ranks. But they aren't at the pinnacle, they have some decent shunshin but nothing that would suggest her daughter would have "god-like" speed, as you put it. I meant Kabuto enhancments of Sasuke's body when I said that. I wasn't referring to his Sage powers.

2) Good point, my bad. (Although most are already aware of what the Sharingan can track)

3) What? I was saying how does this punching power attest to the supposed grand scale of Sarada's potential.

4) Was it actually stated in the manga that Sasuke copied Chidori with his Sharingan? (It very well could be, I just don't recall it.) To think that Uchiha/Sharingan users can copy any non KKG jutsu they see is a joke. 1000 jutsu is pure hype and if he was that versatile he wouldn't have constantly spammed chidori. Sasuke could be using Rasengan, FRS and all other kinds of powerful jutsu yet he didn't. Kishi plot nerfed the Sharingan copying, it's evident because out of all the jutsu the Sharingan has seen, how much has actually been replicated? Shit all. Sarada will not be copying any jutsu she pleases.

5) Come on now man, you are just being salty. Look if you like Byakugou and are fine with another using that same battle style, then that is fine. However, the fact of the matter is, a large portion of NB along with myself find Byakugou as a bland and linear fighting style. Oh so there are alot of MS, Susanoo, Sage mode, Rasengan and the Rinnegan. But how many of those users just rely solely on that specific aspect? Seriously, I could say NV IS REPETITIVE BECAUSE EVERYONE USES CHAKRA yet everyones use and properties of chakra is different. Eveything you listed has variation aswell, unlike the Byakugou which does not. Sakura and Tsunade, the only two Byakugou users, only punch shit hard. That is the essence of their fighting style. You're in so much denial you can't even see my point of view or realize why much of NB feels the same way; use your head, people are bored by Sakura's fighting style for a reason. IDGAF about screen time of Byakugou, my point is that Sakura and Tsunade fight pretty much the same in or out of Byakugou. Of course I know Byakugou can be applied to anything else however, the only users who have fought with CES and Byakugou have just had really boring fighting styles (IMO).

NO ONE WANTS MORE CES EITHER. You go make a poll of which people would prefer in the new generation, the jutsu you listed, or CES super punches. I'm 99% sure the results won't be in your favor. Rasengan and Chidori got variants to keep it interesting and versatile, but where is Byakugou at? What does it matter if she is the first Uchiha to use CES and attain the ability to self-heal? She could be the first Uchiha to do ALOT of things. Wrap your points up tighter man, I don't need all the extra info as I know what the Byakugou does... Basically you are telling me that you love CES and Byakugou and that you think CES/Byakugou > all commonly used jutsu in NV. I agree that Chidori and Rasengan have been repeated a lot in the manga, but they have variants and many different ways to be used to keep it interesting and in the eyes of most fans, it is more visually appealing/exciting than seeing Sakura falcon punch something.

IDC your wording doesn't mean shit. "Limitless", yet it pales far in comparison to Juubi, Kaguya, Hagoromo/50% of Hagoromo, Kyuubi/50% of Kyuubi. Limitless chakra is not how you describe Byakugou by the time the manga ended.

If Kishi could curse a character with a single move, the Sakura punch would be the one for him to use.

When Sarada was only showing her Uchiha-ness, everybody loved her. Give the poor kid a Sakura move, and her popularity just tanked.

True that. And it's give that kid THE Sakura move. Since she pretty much only has one.

Do you know whats even more sad? She was the first Uchiha girl to finally get some spotlight. Yet her fighting style was changed to one of the most stalest fighting styles. It puts a bad taste in the mouth of those who expected better.

I know very disappointing.

You know I didn't think anything of it at first but you're right... I really hope that Sarada develops a more diverse arsenal beyond 'punch this punch that'...

Me too... Get's old.