Kishi the troll
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BEASTLY NARUTO
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I agree with you. You know it funny how ppl even say naruto wins through plot when it is the uchiha that are been powered up through plot imagine the world feared kurama of yesterday today just to make the uchiha superior kishi came with the issue that kurama has no yang chakra and made the uchiha more powerful
Blaze Release
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Op you are wrong first of all there are many ways to translate what Karin said and i believe you have translated it wrong.
What karin said was firstly exaggeration and this isnt the first time that characters in the manga exaggerate. Second of all A's chakra levels though very high isnt comparable to a tailed beast. Its only when he pumps up his raiton even more does it reach/mimic such levels (though karin was exaggerating).
Anyway having tailed beast level chakra doesnt mean you are just as physically strong as a tailed beast. Tailed beasts have many advantage's over humans when it comes to physicality and endurance. Lets however assume A has chakra level comparable to a tailed beast, so what?. What madara said is that his susano is comparable even to the bijuu when it comes to its destructive force and thats why he mentioned that a single stroke of the blades contains enough power to smash all things in the universe. All note that this is exaggeration im talking about unless you actually believe that madara's ps could do what he said it could. Instead its destructive power was able to overwhelm mountains and the same can be said about the destructive powers of a tailed beast. Tbb for example can achieve what madara's susano did. Also this image below im about to upload should give you examples of the destructive force of a tailed beast;
"Once appeared a nine tailed demon fox, one swing of its mighty tale could crumble mountains and cause tsunami's."
Thats why madara's compared his PS to the destrcutive power of a tailed beast. Even if A did have tailed beast level chakra, his destructive force although very impressive, still lacks in the face of the destructive force of PS or a bijuu
Btw kisame himself has very high reserves and thats why he was the idea candidate for the Shoten. Neji later commented on 30% kisame and compared him to kyuubi naruto. Karin was later frightened by kisame's reserves
What karin said was firstly exaggeration and this isnt the first time that characters in the manga exaggerate. Second of all A's chakra levels though very high isnt comparable to a tailed beast. Its only when he pumps up his raiton even more does it reach/mimic such levels (though karin was exaggerating).
Anyway having tailed beast level chakra doesnt mean you are just as physically strong as a tailed beast. Tailed beasts have many advantage's over humans when it comes to physicality and endurance. Lets however assume A has chakra level comparable to a tailed beast, so what?. What madara said is that his susano is comparable even to the bijuu when it comes to its destructive force and thats why he mentioned that a single stroke of the blades contains enough power to smash all things in the universe. All note that this is exaggeration im talking about unless you actually believe that madara's ps could do what he said it could. Instead its destructive power was able to overwhelm mountains and the same can be said about the destructive powers of a tailed beast. Tbb for example can achieve what madara's susano did. Also this image below im about to upload should give you examples of the destructive force of a tailed beast;
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"Once appeared a nine tailed demon fox, one swing of its mighty tale could crumble mountains and cause tsunami's."
Thats why madara's compared his PS to the destrcutive power of a tailed beast. Even if A did have tailed beast level chakra, his destructive force although very impressive, still lacks in the face of the destructive force of PS or a bijuu
Btw kisame himself has very high reserves and thats why he was the idea candidate for the Shoten. Neji later commented on 30% kisame and compared him to kyuubi naruto. Karin was later frightened by kisame's reserves
NarutoKage2
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Uhmm....ok?
smh, that's not what i meant. If kishi is gonna use the reference to a tailed beast as a power/chakra level for someone he should at least be accurate about it.
Agreed he did it for the Uchiha fans though lol.
Huge chakra= fuel for using huge, powerful jutsus try to be logical lol.
Smfh. There is a difference between SKILL and POWER. Kakashi had more skill than Naruto, but he did'nt have more POWER. Why can't Kakashi use a tech like the rasenshuriken? You think its because he is'nt skilled enough? No, he does'nt have enough chakra for a tech like that!! Huge Chakra LEVELS lets you use techs like the rasenshuriken that are POWERFUL. In this sense it is a direct correlation. Get it??
Lol
Thanks for that.viz translation
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"it rivals even the bijuu"
Thank you. Yup the Uchiha are haxxed thanks to kishi lol. He's playing around with too many other characters and demeaning them to make his fav clan seem more badass. Kinda pathetic imo.
Sigh. Well its no secret that the manga is in japaneese but one of the posters pointed out that the viz translation had the same meaning as what i posted, so you'll have to show a link if you have a better version, thanks.
Now the level of chakra automatically translates into both scale and power available for any jutsu, i'd expect you to know this by now, Blaze. So it is quite significant if what Karin said were true, which i have no reason to not believe. And when you say destructive power, note that as i said in reply to another guy that lets take the example of the rasenshuriken. Its a DESTRUCTIVE and POWERFUL jutsu .....yes it does require skill but only if you have a large amount of chakra!! Why can't Kakashi do it? Sure he does,t have wind element but he could still add his lightning to the rasengan, but why does'nt he?? He does not really lack in skill since he was the one who TAUGHT naruto that tech, but he does'nt have enough POWER because his CHAKRA levels are too low! You can't separate chakra levels from the power and scale of a tech, it just does'nt make sense that way.
Kisame does have a very high chakra level but originally its a borrowed chakra, either from Samehada or his water tech that absorbs the chakra from an opponents ninjutsu(see the fight against Gai) . Its not the result of his own power, like is the case, or was supposed to be anyway with the Raikage A.
Read my responses above to know the difference between SKILL and POWER.
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Ive quiet a bit to do, however this entire post isn't correct. I even thought that my original post was enough to see what like many people have said the difference between a bijuu's power and that of a human. Im not sure what you mean by the highlighted part. From what i see, it seems you think the more chakra you pour into a technique the greater the scale/power of that technique. Though that is normally true, it isnt always the case and kirin is the perfect example;
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Actually its skill that kakashi/minato himself lacked and not power/chakra. He even says it here;
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Im not sure where this is going though, because it i cannot see how relevant this is to the topic.
Again this is going to another topic that i dont want to discuss because we are diverting, but kisame himself has very high reserves and thats why he commands a 5 in the DB along with his hype in the manga, he himself has very high chakra reserves. You keep on saying borrowed chakra from his opponents yet before his fight with gai when he was at 30%, he was able to produce his very own lake with Bakusui Shoha and neither did he drain chakra from any of the members of team gai. The only water technique which was hinted to absorb an opponents chakra is the Suiro Sameodori, but again kisame himself has very high reserves and the DB even says this without mentioning samahada or his ability to absorb chakra and even compares him to naruto who himself has high reserves without the fox
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Anyway OP, as many have said, A doesnt posses the same destructive power of either a tailed beast or PS
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NarutoKage2
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I don't have the time to go through all this right now so i'll answer later. But i will say this: that link of Naruto learning the rasenshuriken you posted, right there Kakashi also says 'or rather natural talent..' as opposed to skill which he said earlier. What i think he meant by this was Naruto's enhanced chakra/stamina due to the fox. If you look at Naruto as a fighter, he himself admitted to his dad that he s'nt smart nor a great ninja. In the sense that he does'nt have an arsenal of jutsus nor has he been able to invent brand new jutsus of his own like his father. Most of his techs are borrowed/improved from previously existing techs. HOWEVER, that does'nt mean he is'nt powerful. What i'm trying to say is that what Kakashi meant to say there was that Naruto's talent is that he has the required stamina/chakra for the rs, which he called skill/talent. I still think if Kakashi had the same chakra levels as Naruto, he would have been able to add an element to the rasengan.
Anyways i'll address the rest of the post at a later time.
