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It's been 1 chapter so far.
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1. Naruto does have Bijuu chakra, but not enough to utilize in battle. Sasuke said it himself, and Naruto never used any Tailed Beast in VOTE2 aside from Kurama.
2. Naruto did not restore/gather chakra, Kurama gathered Natural Energy and they combined their remaining chakra into the final TBBFRS

Natural Energy =/= Sage Mode
 
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Not sure how a sword would have been that much of difference maker considering he had chidori. And yang nine tails broke out of CT when Naruto fought Pain. The only difference in the two situations is kurama was under a genjustu and not inside Naruto when sasuke used it. So even if CT was used, it wouldn't have been a guaranteed win.


Dunno what your obsession with the sword is honestly. Sasuke could have made a sword by manipulating the shape of either chidori or enton. The sword is not a huge factor. Why Naruto need to counter sword techs anyway? Amaterasu did jack against the kyubi clock, and Naruto is slighty faster than Sasuke when Sasuke not using S/T jutsu so there's nothing to say his sword play would have been that effective if he had superior skills anyway.


Lol! If it wasn't absolutely necessary, why do it? TO INCREASE HIS CHANCE OF WINNING. Sasuke knew full well he couldn't defeat Naruto with just his basic abilities. It's not a coincidence he wanted to fight Naruto after the Kaguya battle knowing full well Naruto did most of the actual fighting and thereby using up most of his chakra. The only reason Kurama gathered all that energy during the fight was because of Sasuke using the Bijuu to greatly enhance his own Rikodou powers. And if you wanna talk about techs not being used, why didn't naruto use any of his rasengan variants like lava or wind? Why didn't he use his super strength when fighting or any other abilities RSM gave him? If Kishi nerfed Sasuke like u said, then he REALLY nerfed Naruto.



Sasuke's not stupid when it comes to battle, he wanted to kill Naruto, and would use any means to do it! But the thing is, he couldn't! Not because of some handicap or him not really wanting to, but because Naruto countered everything Sasuke threw at him to the point where after Sasuke got smashed through a wall, he actual asked Naruto if he would just die for him. I'm not bashing Sasuke or his skills, but all this onesided handicap stuff is BS
Sasuke easily had his sword stab Madara in the chest.Madara only survived because he was the Juubi's Jin with regenerative abilities.Having a physical Sword is different than making one out of chakra.Sasuke can swap places with a physical sword,and have it hit his opponent.He can't do that with a Chakra Sword he's holding.

It's simple - Naruto run towards Sasuke,once he gets close enough,Sasuke swaps places with his sword,and the sword stabs through him like it did Madara.

Nagato's level is far below Sasuke's,and besides,he used that CT while he didn't have much chakra left.Sasuke effortlessly put all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,and CT,with absolute ease,then went on to fight Naruto,using multiple other techniques throughout chapter 695,while maintaining the Bijuu in the sky in CT,then in chapter 696,he used Bansho Tenin to pull them all miles away from their location to him - he did all this without showing any signs of exhaustion.

Look at how big the Bijuu are compared to Naruto,and Sasuke.



Sasuke covered them all at the same time in seconds without even going all out,and using all his chakra.So imagine what could happen if he used it on one target - Naruto,the size would be atleast 9 times as bigger,the technique would be atleast 9 times as powerful,,and the speed would be atleast 9 times as fast.

I say atleast 9 times as big,fast,and powerful because we already saw him using it on the 9 Bijuu individually,without even going all out,so obviously he could put that same amount of effort,and even more into just one target.


Sasuke choose to fight Naruto after Kaguya was defeated because all their enemies had been defeated.Why are you trying to make it seem like he choose to fight Naruto specifically because he wouldn't be in full condition? So you think Sasuke should have fought Naruto before they defeated Kaguya? Okay,he starts fightning Naruto back then,and Kaguya easily kills both of them,what sense does it make to have fought Naruto before she was defeated?

Sasuke used alot of chakra during that battle aswell.He used multiple techniques and his eyes bled multiple times in that battle which is a sign of huge chakra loss,and physically straining himself.Also did you ever even think that Sasuke putting all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,and Chibaku Tensei,plus having them maintained in the sky took alot of chakra? All this was before he started fighting Naruto.

Naruto couldn't use the Bijuus techniques because he didn't know how to use them.Notice how everytime he ever used them,the Bijuus helped him.He made his Rasengan,or RasenShuriken,and the Bijuu applied their chakra to it.With them being sealed,they couldn't help him.

As i said.It was never said or shown Sasuke absolutely needed their power.For one he didn't even use all his techniques against Naruto before taking their chakra,so much for going all out.

You're right,Naruto did counter everything Sasuke threw at him hence why Masashi had Sasuke use those techniques,because Naruto had counters. But Naruto didn't counter all Sasuke's techniques because Sasuke didn't use them all because Naruto had no counters to them.

You acted as if Naruto could break free from CT cause the Kyuubi did so to a far weaker Nagato,but what about Bansho Tenin? What is Naruto's counter to that? What i said about CT applies to BT aswell.Sasuke effortlessly used it on all nine massive skyscrapper sized Bijuu,trapped in even bigger CT,which made them even heavier,yet he didn't use it on Naruto who is far smaller than all nine Bijuu,and CT,who weighs far less than all nine Bijuu in CT.

Also the Bijuus chakra increases the users power including all his techniques,so CT,and BT would be even more powerful than i just described,yet he didn't use them at all with or without the Bijuus chakra.
 
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Sasuke easily had his sword stab Madara in the chest.Madara only survived because he was the Juubi's Jin with regenerative abilities.Having a physical Sword is different than making one out of chakra.Sasuke can swap places with a physical sword,and have it hit his opponent.He can't do that with a Chakra Sword he's holding.

It's simple - Naruto run towards Sasuke,once he gets close enough,Sasuke swaps places with his sword,and the sword stabs through him like it did Madara.
Sasuke couldn't kill Madara even before he became a Jubi Jin. Remember when Madara was first revived and had no eyes, but was easily able to dodge all of Sasuke's sword strikes? That was just with Hashi's stolen sage powers. Naruto's RSM is, according to the databook, Superior than Madara's jubi jin form. That includes speed and reflexes. Heck Naruto blitzed him before even actually using RSM. So I still don't see Sasuke sword techs being a big factor in the outcome without using S/T. Even if Sasuke used the same skill he used to stab JJ Madara, there's always a chance he could be attacking a clone instead of the real Naruto. Sasuke can't spam that jutsu.

Nagato's level is far below Sasuke's,and besides,he used that CT while he didn't have much chakra left.Sasuke effortlessly put all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,and CT,with absolute ease,then went on to fight Naruto,using multiple other techniques throughout chapter 695,while maintaining the Bijuu in the sky in CT,then in chapter 696,he used Bansho Tenin to pull them all miles away from their location to him - he did all this without showing any signs of exhaustion.
BOLD. Sasuke had to put them in a genjustu or risk them breaking out of CT like yang Kurama did with Nagato. Even though Sasuke is stronger than Nagato, to me that just means his CT is larger and he can create more of them. It doesn't mean his CT is anymore unbreakable than Nagato's

Sasuke didn't show signs of exhaustion because:
1) He got his power directly from the Sagehimself so he was greatly augmented. Unlike Nagato who had an implant of someone else's eyes
2) Naruto did most of the fighting with Kaguya

Look at how big the Bijuu are compared to Naruto,and Sasuke.



Sasuke covered them all at the same time in seconds without even going all out,and using all his chakra.So imagine what could happen if he used it on one target - Naruto,the size would be atleast 9 times as bigger,the technique would be atleast 9 times as powerful,,and the speed would be atleast 9 times as fast.

I say atleast 9 times as big,fast,and powerful because we already saw him using it on the 9 Bijuu individually,without even going all out,so obviously he could put that same amount of effort,and even more into just one target.
Size and power of Bijuu is irrelevant when you have magic eyes that are specifically tailored to control tailed beast with a freaking glance. Nine tails had way more chakra than Madara, but he was defeated because Madara looked at him with his sharingan. Naruto had to actually TALK to them to gain their trust with no guarantee that he would have been successful.


Sasuke choose to fight Naruto after Kaguya was defeated because all their enemies had been defeated.Why are you trying to make it seem like he choose to fight Naruto specifically because he wouldn't be in full condition? So you think Sasuke should have fought Naruto before they defeated Kaguya? Okay,he starts fightning Naruto back then,and Kaguya easily kills both of them,what sense does it make to have fought Naruto before she was defeated?
Because that's the smart way to do battle. You don't go at your enemy at his strongest, you always attack him when he's weakened. That's how actual battles are won. Sasuke's not Goku who wants to fight people at there full strength just to test his abilities. He wanted Naruto DEAD. Sasuke is a tactical genius. It's not a knock on him. He did a realistic thing.

Sasuke used alot of chakra during that battle aswell.He used multiple techniques and his eyes bled multiple times in that battle which is a sign of huge chakra loss,and physically straining himself.Also did you ever even think that Sasuke putting all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,and Chibaku Tensei,plus having them maintained in the sky took alot of chakra? All this was before he started fighting Naruto.
I agree to an extent. But you have to look at it another way. Sasuke did that for possibly a few reasons. He did it so Naruto couldn't go to the bijuu to ask for more chakra, and it would have simultaneously given Sasuke a extra boost of chakra during his fight. He basically limited Naruto's options during the fight.

Naruto couldn't use the Bijuus techniques because he didn't know how to use them.Notice how everytime he ever used them,the Bijuus helped him.He made his Rasengan,or RasenShuriken,and the Bijuu applied their chakra to it.With them being sealed,they couldn't help him.
False. RSM gives him universal understanding of chakra and nature. That's way he could use lava rasengan and the 5 tails super strength without training or an explanation on how to use them. The only reason I see why he didn't was because he was either nerfed, or like Naruto said, he didn't want to fight Sasuke the way Sasuke was at that point. Thus Naruto not going all out and using everything at his disposal.

As i said.It was never said or shown Sasuke absolutely needed their power.For one he didn't even use all his techniques against Naruto before taking their chakra,so much for going all out.
Maybe. But to me it was implied, because again, if he didn't need the power to defeat Naruto, why use it to start with?

You're right,Naruto did counter everything Sasuke threw at him hence why Masashi had Sasuke use those techniques,because Naruto had counters. But Naruto didn't counter all Sasuke's techniques because Sasuke didn't use them all because Naruto had no counters to them.
That's like saying Kishi didn't have Naruto using all his abilities and skills because Sasuke didn't have a counter for them. It doesn't fly. Both had abilities that were not used. Whether they could or couldn't counter everything is pure speculation. They were evenly matched.

You acted as if Naruto could break free from CT cause the Kyuubi did so to a far weaker Nagato,but what about Bansho Tenin? What is Naruto's counter to that? What i said about CT applies to BT aswell.Sasuke effortlessly used it on all nine massive skyscrapper sized Bijuu,trapped in even bigger CT,which made them even heavier,yet he didn't use it on Naruto who is far smaller than all nine Bijuu,and CT,who weighs far less than all nine Bijuu in CT.

Also the Bijuus chakra increases the users power including all his techniques,so CT,and BT would be even more powerful than i just described,yet he didn't use them at all with or without the Bijuus chakra.
Your acting like CT is the end all and be all of niinjutsu. Naruto is stronger now than hw e was fighting Pain. What makes you think Sasuke's CT would have been anymore effective? Naruto's power equals Sasuke's. They're really isn't anyway you can prove that Sasuke would have won even if he used all his abilities.
 
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Sasuke couldn't kill Madara even before he became a Jubi Jin. Remember when Madara was first revived and had no eyes, but was easily able to dodge all of Sasuke's sword strikes? That was just with Hashi's stolen sage powers. Naruto's RSM is, according to the databook, Superior than Madara's jubi jin form. That includes speed and reflexes. Heck Naruto blitzed him before even actually using RSM. So I still don't see Sasuke sword techs being a big factor in the outcome without using S/T. Even if Sasuke used the same skill he used to stab JJ Madara, there's always a chance he could be attacking a clone instead of the real Naruto. Sasuke can't spam that jutsu.



BOLD. Sasuke had to put them in a genjustu or risk them breaking out of CT like yang Kurama did with Nagato. Even though Sasuke is stronger than Nagato, to me that just means his CT is larger and he can create more of them. It doesn't mean his CT is anymore unbreakable than Nagato's

Sasuke didn't show signs of exhaustion because:
1) He got his power directly from the Sagehimself so he was greatly augmented. Unlike Nagato who had an implant of someone else's eyes
2) Naruto did most of the fighting with Kaguya



Size and power of Bijuu is irrelevant when you have magic eyes that are specifically tailored to control tailed beast with a freaking glance. Nine tails had way more chakra than Madara, but he was defeated because Madara looked at him with his sharingan. Naruto had to actually TALK to them to gain their trust with no guarantee that he would have been successful.




Because that's the smart way to do battle. You don't go at your enemy at his strongest, you always attack him when he's weakened. That's how actual battles are won. Sasuke's not Goku who wants to fight people at there full strength just to test his abilities. He wanted Naruto DEAD. Sasuke is a tactical genius. It's not a knock on him. He did a realistic thing.



I agree to an extent. But you have to look at it another way. Sasuke did that for possibly a few reasons. He did it so Naruto couldn't go to the bijuu to ask for more chakra, and it would have simultaneously given Sasuke a extra boost of chakra during his fight. He basically limited Naruto's options during the fight.



False. RSM gives him universal understanding of chakra and nature. That's way he could use lava rasengan and the 5 tails super strength without training or an explanation on how to use them. The only reason I see why he didn't was because he was either nerfed, or like Naruto said, he didn't want to fight Sasuke the way Sasuke was at that point. Thus Naruto not going all out and using everything at his disposal.



Maybe. But to me it was implied, because again, if he didn't need the power to defeat Naruto, why use it to start with?



That's like saying Kishi didn't have Naruto using all his abilities and skills because Sasuke didn't have a counter for them. It doesn't fly. Both had abilities that were not used. Whether they could or couldn't counter everything is pure speculation. They were evenly matched.



Your acting like CT is the end all and be all of niinjutsu. Naruto is stronger now than hw e was fighting Pain. What makes you think Sasuke's CT would have been anymore effective? Naruto's power equals Sasuke's. They're really isn't anyway you can prove that Sasuke would have won even if he used all his abilities.

The battle started with them both runnibg toward each other then clashing.Naruto was in base.



If he had his Sword,he could set things up to where he could swap with his sword when Naruto got close enough. If having a Sword would make no difference than Masashi wouldn't have made sure to have Sasuke lose his sword before fighting Naruto.That's a clear indication of nerfing Sasuke.


You didn't form a good counter for Naruto against CT because you couldn't.Size,and power do matter.Sasuke was able to cover all the massive Bijuu in seconds.One target is nothing compared to that,he would cover Naruto in an instant,and me pointing out how Sasuke was not exhausted at all from using all those techniques was to show he had plenty of chakra left,which goes to show he could definitely make an even powerful CT.

Naruto is not breaking out of something so huge,and so powerful.Hence why Kishimoto didn't have Sasuke use it against Naruto at all,much less show Naruto actually countering it.By the way,Genjutsu is yet another thing Sasuke did not use on Naruto.Did not act like Naruto is invincible,Genjutsu does indeed work on Jinchuriki,it's just that the Bijuu save the users once they get trapped,which usually takes a few seconds,and a few seconds is all that was needed for Sasuke to get all the Bijuu in CT,again,using that technique on one target would even more powerful.

Speaking of Genjutsu,what i said about CT applies to it aswell.Sasuke trapped all the Bijuu in Genjutsu with no problem,and had plenty of chakra left,hence using multiple other techniques.Logically he should be able to get Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi in Genjutsu aswell,at the very least maybe he would actually have to put an effort.


Sasuke did so much with Genjutsu,and CT by using just a small portiom of his chakra.After taking chakra from the Bijuu his power increased tremendously,which is even more reason of why these techniques could have worked on Naruto,yet he doesn't use them at all,with or without the Bijuus chakra


Sasuke did not choose to fight Naruto during that time cause he was weakened,he didn't do so before cause they absolutely needed to team up to defeat their enemies. Why would Sasuke try to kill Naruto before Madara,and Kaguya were defeated? What would happen if he did? Naruto dieing would mean Madara,and Kaguya couldn't be sealed. Sasuke himself repeatedly told Naruto that they are both needed to seal them.






Yet you claim Sasuke waited for Naruto to be weakened before he fought him.


Everytime Naruto ever used the Bijuus skills he called upon them,or they contacted him.

Four Tail - Lava Style



One Tails - Magnet Style


Four Tails


All the Bijuu



If he had already knew how to do it,then why would they need to have helped him? The One,and Four Tails even contacted him inorder to use their special power.It's not like Naruto was doing everything alone before,yet suddenly does none of those techniques.
 
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The battle started with them both runnibg toward each other then clashing.Naruto was in base.



If he had his Sword,he could set things up to where he could swap with his sword when Naruto got close enough. If having a Sword would make no difference than Masashi wouldn't have made sure to have Sasuke lose his sword before fighting Naruto.That's a clear indication of nerfing Sasuke.


You didn't form a good counter for Naruto against CT because you couldn't.Size,and power do matter.Sasuke was able to cover all the massive Bijuu in seconds.One target is nothing compared to that,he would cover Naruto in an instant,and me pointing out how Sasuke was not exhausted at all from using all those techniques was to show he had plenty of chakra left,which goes to show he could definitely make an even powerful CT.

Naruto is not breaking out of something so huge,and so powerful.Hence why Kishimoto didn't have Sasuke use it against Naruto at all,much less show Naruto actually countering it.By the way,Genjutsu is yet another thing Sasuke did not use on Naruto.Did not act like Naruto is invincible,Genjutsu does indeed work on Jinchuriki,it's just that the Bijuu save the users once they get trapped,which usually takes a few seconds,and a few seconds is all that was needed for Sasuke to get all the Bijuu in CT,again,using that technique on one target would even more powerful.

Speaking of Genjutsu,what i said about CT applies to it aswell.Sasuke trapped all the Bijuu in Genjutsu with no problem,and had plenty of chakra left,hence using multiple other techniques.Logically he should be able to get Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi in Genjutsu aswell,at the very least maybe he would actually have to put an effort.


Sasuke did so much with Genjutsu,and CT by using just a small portiom of his chakra.After taking chakra from the Bijuu his power increased tremendously,which is even more reason of why these techniques could have worked on Naruto,yet he doesn't use them at all,with or without the Bijuus chakra


Sasuke did not choose to fight Naruto during that time cause he was weakened,he didn't do so before cause they absolutely needed to team up to defeat their enemies. Why would Sasuke try to kill Naruto before Madara,and Kaguya were defeated? What would happen if he did? Naruto dieing would mean Madara,and Kaguya couldn't be sealed. Sasuke himself repeatedly told Naruto that they are both needed to seal them.






Yet you claim Sasuke waited for Naruto to be weakened before he fought him.


Everytime Naruto ever used the Bijuus skills he called upon them,or they contacted him.

Four Tail - Lava Style



One Tails - Magnet Style


Four Tails


All the Bijuu



If he had already knew how to do it,then why would they need to have helped him? The One,and Four Tails even contacted him inorder to use their special power.It's not like Naruto was doing everything alone before,yet suddenly does none of those techniques.
Again, Chidori is much better than any sword he could ever have. If he really wanted a sword he could fashioned one with chidori like he has before. Naurto could have blitzed Sasuke before he set up his kanton distraction, but kishi decided that the fight needs to last so he limited both Naruto and Sasuke during this fight as I have already stated.

CT is a technique that can trap things in huge land masses. It's powerful yes, but you have nothing to prove that Kurama and the other bijuus couldn't have escaped with their own massive power if Sasuke didn't place them in a genjutsu first. Obviously Sasuke new as much or he would have just used CT and not bothered placing them in a genjutsu in the first place. Naruto has the chakra of all tailed beast plus RSM. I just don't see how using CT would have been a endgame move. Remember, RSM is equal to Sasuke's Rinnegan, so if Sasuke has the power to use CT, Naruto has equal power to break it.

Another thing about genjutsu. First, Sasuke's not Itachi. His genjutsu is a natural ability of the sharingan. The Bijuus are weak against the sharingan, which is why it seems so impressive. Sasuke has NEVER been a regular genjutsu user and he's certainly not a master of it. You say Naruto not immune to genjutsu, this is true. But don't act like Sasuke is so perfect that he could just genjutsu Naruto and would have won. Remember Bee? if he used genjutsu to catch Naruto, Kurama would have broken him out of it. Sasuke knew this from his fight with B. That's why he didn't use genjutsu.

Thing you're not getting is, Sasuke fought a weakened Naruto. Whether by design, or coincidence, that was an advantage for Sasuke. That's not a bad thing. It's part of the rules of engagement. But don't act like Sasuke was so nerfed and Naruto wasn't.

The bijuus did talk to Naruto, but all they said was "Hey, use my power". None of them went into detail about how to use their specific abilities. Naurto did that on his own.
 

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Again, Chidori is much better than any sword he could ever have. If he really wanted a sword he could fashioned one with chidori like he has before. Naurto could have blitzed Sasuke before he set up his kanton distraction, but kishi decided that the fight needs to last so he limited both Naruto and Sasuke during this fight as I have already stated.

CT is a technique that can trap things in huge land masses. It's powerful yes, but you have nothing to prove that Kurama and the other bijuus couldn't have escaped with their own massive power if Sasuke didn't place them in a genjutsu first. Obviously Sasuke new as much or he would have just used CT and not bothered placing them in a genjutsu in the first place. Naruto has the chakra of all tailed beast plus RSM. I just don't see how using CT would have been a endgame move. Remember, RSM is equal to Sasuke's Rinnegan, so if Sasuke has the power to use CT, Naruto has equal power to break it.

Another thing about genjutsu. First, Sasuke's not Itachi. His genjutsu is a natural ability of the sharingan. The Bijuus are weak against the sharingan, which is why it seems so impressive. Sasuke has NEVER been a regular genjutsu user and he's certainly not a master of it. You say Naruto not immune to genjutsu, this is true. But don't act like Sasuke is so perfect that he could just genjutsu Naruto and would have won. Remember Bee? if he used genjutsu to catch Naruto, Kurama would have broken him out of it. Sasuke knew this from his fight with B. That's why he didn't use genjutsu.

Thing you're not getting is, Sasuke fought a weakened Naruto. Whether by design, or coincidence, that was an advantage for Sasuke. That's not a bad thing. It's part of the rules of engagement. But don't act like Sasuke was so nerfed and Naruto wasn't.

The bijuus did talk to Naruto, but all they said was "Hey, use my power". None of them went into detail about how to use their specific abilities. Naurto did that on his own.
Having a physical sword has it's own benifits.I already explained,there's a clear difference.If making a sword out of chakra was so much more superior than why would Sasuke even have his sword? He could make a Chidori sword since the beginning of part two.







I don't think i said Sasuke didn't have to place them in Genjutsu first.Although ofcourse casting Genjutsu on them made it easier to capture.How would Naruto even have the time to prepare enough power to be able to break out of Chibaku Tensei? We saw how fast they covered all the Bijuu,getting just one target would obviously be even faster.Plus if Sasuke had used CT while having the Bijuus chakra,the results would even greater.

Sasuke mastered Sharingan Genjutsu,hence him being able to use Rinnegan Genjutsu so well.The Bijuus are weak to Genjutsu,but only those of the highest of levels can control them with Genjutsu,otherwise if simply having a Sharingan/using Genjutsu on them would work then the Uchiha's would have gotten all the Bijuu long ago,and ruled the world.But instead only Madara,and Tobi controlled the Kyuubi with Sharingan Genjutsu,and Madara was said to be the only one who ever had the power to control the Kyuubi (they thought Tobi was Madara).



My point was,that Sasuke Genjutsu should be strong enough to get the Yin Kyuubi aswell,considering he easily got all the Bijuu,like it was nothing,and still had plenty of chakra left.

I know,Naruto,and Sasuke were both weakened.In full condition or not,Sasuke logically should beat Naruto.I was just countering you when you were making it seem as if Sasuke purposefully waited for Naruto to be weakened to fight him.He didn't,he didn't fight him before because they needed to defeat their enemies.
 
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Having a physical sword has it's own benifits.I already explained,there's a clear difference.If making a sword out of chakra was so much more superior than why would Sasuke even have his sword? He could make a Chidori sword since the beginning of part two.







I don't think i said Sasuke didn't have to place them in Genjutsu first.Although ofcourse casted Genjutsu on them made it easier to capture.He would Naruto even have the time to prepare enough power to ne able to break out of Chibaku Tensei? We saw how fast they covered all the Bijuu,getting just one target would obviously be even faster.Plus if Sasuke had used CT while having the Bijuus chakra,the results would even greater.

Sasuke mastered Sharingan Genjutsu,hence him being able to use Rinnegan Genjutsu so well.The Bijuus are weak to Genjutsu,but only those of the highest of levels can control them with Genjutsu,otherwise if simply having a Sharingan/using Genjutsu on them would work then the Uchiha's would have gotten all the Bijuu long ago,and ruled the world.But instead only Madara,and Tobi controlled the Kyuubi with Sharingan Genjutsu,and Madara was said to be the only one who ever had the power to control the Kyuubi.



My point was,that Sasuke Genjutsu should be strong enough to get the Yin Kyuubi aswell,considering he easily got all the Bijuu,like it was nothing,and still had plenty of chakra left.

I know,Naruto,and Sasuke were both weakened.In full condition or not,Sasuke logically should beat Naruto.I was just countering you when you were making it seem as if Sasuke purposefully waited for Naruto to be weakened to fight him.He didn't,he didn't fight him before because they needed to defeat their enemies.
Sasuke's chidori had the potential to pierce and smash a meteor even if it was years later. When Sasuke used S/T to get behind Naruto, he hit him directly in the chest and it didn't pierce Naruto's RSM. It just knocked him back. A sword doesn't compare. Besides, Naruto could have used one of his TSB and formed a weapon to help him block Sasuke's sword strikes. I just don't see his sword making a huge difference.

I think Sasuke had to use a genjutsu first, because tailed beasts are extremely powerful and can use TBB. Puttinng them in a genjutsu means that they won't try to fight back and attempt to breakout of his CT. Naruto has shown to be godly fast. He can nearly match S/T users as shown when his speed was compared to Minato's flying thunder god, and dodging Kaguya's S/T feats. Plus he has TBB Rasengans which have also shown to smash multiple meteors during his battle with JJ Madara. It's fully in naruto capabilities to escape Sasuke's CT.

All Bijuu are weak against Sharingan based genjutsu. It's the fact that Sasuke got them all at once that was impressive, not that he was a master genjutsu user. Madara and obito didn't do anything special with their sharingan when they took control of kurama. It was just a basic sharingan genjutsu tech, unless proven otherwise. The image you showed with Jiraya thinking of Maadra being the only man that can control bijuus is wrong cuz Hashi could also do it without genjutsu.

Sasuke can indeed affect yin kurama, but not while he's inside Naruto working together with him. If Sasuke used genjutsu on Naruto, yin kurama would have dispelled it similar to what happened to B.

Even if it wasn't Sasuke's intention to fight a weakened Naruto, He did have a few advantages.
1) They fought in a place where he previously won against Naruto. That could have worked on a psychological level against Naruto(It didn't and that might have been his intent, but you can't overlook such things)
2) By sealing the bijuus he cut off a possible refreshing supply of chakra that Naruto could have asked for, and instead he had to resort to NE.
3)Sasuke was a little less tired than Naruto when the fight began. At least to me.


And NO. I'm not knocking Sasuke for it. He is a battle genius. Even if it was unintentional, what he did was perfectly fine in battle in my eyes. I'd say the same if Naruto did something similar.
 

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Sasuke's chidori had the potential to pierce and smash a meteor even if it was years later. When Sasuke used S/T to get behind Naruto, he hit him directly in the chest and it didn't pierce Naruto's RSM. It just knocked him back. A sword doesn't compare. Besides, Naruto could have used one of his TSB and formed a weapon to help him block Sasuke's sword strikes. I just don't see his sword making a huge difference.

I think Sasuke had to use a genjutsu first, because tailed beasts are extremely powerful and can use TBB. Puttinng them in a genjutsu means that they won't try to fight back and attempt to breakout of his CT. Naruto has shown to be godly fast. He can nearly match S/T users as shown when his speed was compared to Minato's flying thunder god, and dodging Kaguya's S/T feats. Plus he has TBB Rasengans which have also shown to smash multiple meteors during his battle with JJ Madara. It's fully in naruto capabilities to escape Sasuke's CT.

All Bijuu are weak against Sharingan based genjutsu. It's the fact that Sasuke got them all at once that was impressive, not that he was a master genjutsu user. Madara and obito didn't do anything special with their sharingan when they took control of kurama. It was just a basic sharingan genjutsu tech, unless proven otherwise. The image you showed with Jiraya thinking of Maadra being the only man that can control bijuus is wrong cuz Hashi could also do it without genjutsu.

Sasuke can indeed affect yin kurama, but not while he's inside Naruto working together with him. If Sasuke used genjutsu on Naruto, yin kurama would have dispelled it similar to what happened to B.

Even if it wasn't Sasuke's intention to fight a weakened Naruto, He did have a few advantages.
1) They fought in a place where he previously won against Naruto. That could have worked on a psychological level against Naruto(It didn't and that might have been his intent, but you can't overlook such things)
2) By sealing the bijuus he cut off a possible refreshing supply of chakra that Naruto could have asked for, and instead he had to resort to NE.
3)Sasuke was a little less tired than Naruto when the fight began. At least to me.


And NO. I'm not knocking Sasuke for it. He is a battle genius. Even if it was unintentional, what he did was perfectly fine in battle in my eyes. I'd say the same if Naruto did something similar.
I'm starting to see your points on the sword but are you sure Sasuke directly hit Naruto with Chidori? I always thought Naruto barely dodged it,and it hit him alittle. How is it that Madara,who was the Juubi's Jin,and absorbed the Shinju tree was slashed in half yet Naruto tanks it? Kaguya also made sure to dodge Chidori,and she was even stronger than Madara.

Sasuke's CT makes the user the core.How would Naruto defend against that? He has no expereince with practically being the center if gravity,plus all Sasuke's power going against Naruto would add more pressure,the speed at which large pieces of the Earth go to Naruto would be insane.Naruto wouldn't have enough time to form a RS,or Bijuudama,and even if he did,the large pieces of earth flying towards him from all directions would hit the RS,or Bijuudama causing them to explode on Naruto.

And if he was to somehow manage to throw it,then it would simply hit the pieces of earth,and explode.It has no chance of reaching Sasuke at all.


Madara and Obito were the only ones ever to be able to control the Kyuubi with the Sharingan for a reason,it's extremely hard.The only people who ever forcibly controlled a Bijuu were Madara,Obito,Hashirama,and Sasuke.
 
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I'm starting to see your points on the sword but are you sure Sasuke directly hit Naruto with Chidori? I always thought Naruto barely dodged it,and it hit him alittle. How is it that Madara,who was the Juubi's Jin,and absorbed the Shinju tree was slashed in half yet Naruto tanks it? Kaguya also made sure to dodge Chidori,and she was even stronger than Madara.

Sasuke's CT makes the user the core.How would Naruto defend against that? He has no expereince with practically being the center if gravity,plus all Sasuke's power going against Naruto would add more pressure,the speed at which large pieces of the Earth go to Naruto would be insane.Naruto wouldn't have enough time to form a RS,or Bijuudama,and even if he did,the large pieces of earth flying towards him from all directions would hit the RS,or Bijuudama causing them to explode on Naruto.

And if he was to somehow manage to throw it,then it would simply hit the pieces of earth,and explode.It has no chance of reaching Sasuke at all.


Madara and Obito were the only ones ever to be able to control the Kyuubi with the Sharingan for a reason,it's extremely hard.The only people who ever forcibly controlled a Bijuu were Madara,Obito,Hashirama,and Sasuke.
Pretty sure Sasuke hit him directly cuz Naruto was off guard when he struck. According to the databook RSM is superior to the ten tails sealing tech that madara used. It's one of the reasons why Naruto was able to pressure JJ Madara before he absorbed the tree.

Sasuke's CT is more powerful than Nagato's no doubt. However the principle of the tech is still the same. When Nagato used it kyubi Naruto was still the center of the gravity used to create CT, and yang kurama still broke out even tho he wasn't fully formed. I personally believe the only difference of CT between Sasuke and Nagato the scale and amount. I don't believe the gravity part would have been that much greater. Remember, Sasuke is strong, but without bijuus, he's not SS6P strong.

As the TBB goes, kurama and 4 tailed(or was it 3 tail)broke through multiple demon gates without the ball exploding. Kurama when Hashi did it. Naruto when he fought Oro during the find Sasuke Arc. I believe both the tailed beasts and Naruto can make them explode at will thus making the TBB bust through the mass of CT without getting caught in the blast
 

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Pretty sure Sasuke hit him directly cuz Naruto was off guard when he struck. According to the databook RSM is superior to the ten tails sealing tech that madara used. It's one of the reasons why Naruto was able to pressure JJ Madara before he absorbed the tree.

Sasuke's CT is more powerful than Nagato's no doubt. However the principle of the tech is still the same. When Nagato used it kyubi Naruto was still the center of the gravity used to create CT, and yang kurama still broke out even tho he wasn't fully formed. I personally believe the only difference of CT between Sasuke and Nagato the scale and amount. I don't believe the gravity part would have been that much greater. Remember, Sasuke is strong, but without bijuus, he's not SS6P strong.

As the TBB goes, kurama and 4 tailed(or was it 3 tail)broke through multiple demon gates without the ball exploding. Kurama when Hashi did it. Naruto when he fought Oro during the find Sasuke Arc. I believe both the tailed beasts and Naruto can make them explode at will thus making the TBB bust through the mass of CT without getting caught in the blast
How about this then?



Once Sasuke took chakra from all the Bijuu,he became almost as powerful as a Juubi's jin.The Bijuus chakra powers up the user fully,including all their techniques,which means Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei would be even more powerful then when he used it on the Bijuu.So if Sasuke used it as soon as he got their chakra, Naruto wouldn't be able to form enough power to counter cause the Kyuubi wouldn't have time to gather,and give him all the natural energy aboveground.


As for Genjutsu

Sasuke's Rinnegan was already powerful enough to withstand Infinite Tsukuyomi,and easily capture all 9 Bijuu,Futhermore,with the Bijuus chakra,Sasuke had enough power to END the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

The Sage said with the amount of chakra Naruto had from all the Bijuu,and Sasuke's Rinnegan,the Infinite Tsukuyomi could be stopped.

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Just from the amount of Bijuus chakra Naruto had combined with Sasuke's Rinnegan could end the Infinite Tsukuyomi.Sasuke obtained more of the Bijuus chakra then what was inside Naruto,from actually taking chakra from the Bijuus themselves.

Tobi exlained to the Kages how becoming the Juubi's jin would magnify his powers,and allow him to put the whole world in Genjutsu.

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And as i showed above The Sage said with the amount of the Bijuus chakra in Naruto,and Sasuke's Rinnegan the Infinite Tsukuyomi could end.Sasuke had enough power to end Tsukuyomi,that means he has enough power to cast a Genjutsu on it's level.

Yet Sasuke didn't use Genjutsu at all.

I guess i should say,"Yet Masashi had him not use Genjutsu on Naruto at all."

Genjutsu should have without a doubt worked on Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi.
 
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How about this then?



Once Sasuke took chakra from all the Bijuu,he became almost as powerful as a Juubi's jin.The Bijuus chakra powers up the user fully,including all their techniques,which means Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei would be even more powerful then when he used it on the Bijuu.So if Sasuke used it as soon as he got their chakra, Naruto wouldn't be able to form enough power to counter cause the Kyuubi wouldn't have time to gather,and give him all the natural energy aboveground.


As for Genjutsu

Sasuke's Rinnegan was already powerful enough to withstand Infinite Tsukuyomi,and easily capture all 9 Bijuu,Futhermore,with the Bijuus chakra,Sasuke had enough power to END the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

The Sage said with the amount of chakra Naruto had from all the Bijuu,and Sasuke's Rinnegan,the Infinite Tsukuyomi could be stopped.

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Just from the amount of Bijuus chakra Naruto had combined with Sasuke's Rinnegan could end the Infinite Tsukuyomi.Sasuke obtained more of the Bijuus chakra then what was inside Naruto,from actually taking chakra from the Bijuus themselves.

Tobi exlained to the Kages how becoming the Juubi's jin would magnify his powers,and allow him to put the whole world in Genjutsu.

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And as i showed above The Sage said with the amount of the Bijuus chakra in Naruto,and Sasuke's Rinnegan the Infinite Tsukuyomi could end.Sasuke had enough power to end Tsukuyomi,that means he has enough power to cast a Genjutsu on it's level.

Yet Sasuke didn't use Genjutsu at all.

I guess i should say,"Yet Masashi had him not use Genjutsu on Naruto at all."

Genjutsu should have without a doubt worked on Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi.
Interesting ideas.

Problem is I don't think Sasuke can contain all that chakra. Hence why he stored it in his PS. I don't think it would have worked any other way IMO

Sasuke could resist the IT because he had the Rinnegan which grants him immunity. Personally I don't think it has much to with his overall strength TBH.

Although he did without a doubt solo all bijuu with a glance, Yang Kurama was still able to resists even a little. As opposed to Madara who had complete control of full kurama with just his basic sharingan. Sasuke is Indra's transmigrant same as Madz, but Madz seems to have better genjutsu skills, where as Sasuke seems he has better battle capabilities even above Madara.

The problem with casting Genjutsu on jin's like Naruto(who is labeled as a perfect jin) is he can only get one victim. He may get Naruto, to which Kurama would dispel the jutsu, and unless he can get to kurama without interference from Naruto, I don't see him with a one shot win
 

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Interesting ideas.

Problem is I don't think Sasuke can contain all that chakra. Hence why he stored it in his PS. I don't think it would have worked any other way IMO

Sasuke could resist the IT because he had the Rinnegan which grants him immunity. Personally I don't think it has much to with his overall strength TBH.

Although he did without a doubt solo all bijuu with a glance, Yang Kurama was still able to resists even a little. As opposed to Madara who had complete control of full kurama with just his basic sharingan. Sasuke is Indra's transmigrant same as Madz, but Madz seems to have better genjutsu skills, where as Sasuke seems he has better battle capabilities even above Madara.

The problem with casting Genjutsu on jin's like Naruto(who is labeled as a perfect jin) is he can only get one victim. He may get Naruto, to which Kurama would dispel the jutsu, and unless he can get to kurama without interference from Naruto, I don't see him with a one shot win
Sasuke used the Bijuus chakra perfectly.The Kyuubi even noted that his chakra control was almost unrivalled,and put him on the Sage's level.

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Containing nor using the chakra is a problem.When Naruto made 3 Clones with Kyuubi avatars,Sasuke speed blitzed one,then Naruto,and the 2 other clones all fought Sasuke in Taijutsu + each used a Bijuudama - Sasuke countered with Mini Lightning arrows.

Sasuke dealt with them easily ,then made Indra's arrow.He could have definitely used Genjutsu which undoubtedly would work on Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi.It's on the level of Infinite Tsukuyomi.Naruto/the Kyuubi would have been finished if Sasuke didn't save them from Madara's,they're not invincible.

And the Kyuubi barely resisted.He was only able to talk to Naruto for 3 seconds,and keep in mind Sasuke was not anywhere close to going all out when he got them all in Genjutsu instantly.
 
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Sasuke used the Bijuus chakra perfectly.The Kyuubi even noted that his chakra control was almost unrivalled,and put him on the Sage's level.

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Containing nor using the chakra is a problem.When Naruto made 3 Clones with Kyuubi avatars,Sasuke speed blitzed one,then Naruto,and the 2 other clones all fought Sasuke in Taijutsu + each used a Bijuudama - Sasuke countered with Mini Lightning arrows.

Sasuke dealt with them easily ,then made Indra's arrow.He could have definitely used Genjutsu which undoubtedly would work on Naruto,and the Yin Kyuubi.It's on the level of Infinite Tsukuyomi.Naruto/the Kyuubi would have been finished if Sasuke didn't save them from Madara's,they're not invincible.

And the Kyuubi barely resisted.He was only able to talk to Naruto for 3 seconds,and keep in mind Sasuke was not anywhere close to going all out when he got them all in Genjutsu instantly.
Controlling chakra and containing the amount are different tho. No question his control is superb, but there's a reason he had to store it in his PS, he has the eyes of the sage. Not the body.

If it was anyone else other than Naruto, I don't think any other person bar Hashi could have gathered enough NE to combat the immense power up Sasuke gained from the bijuus. Plus with that increase of speed and power, he has the sharingan which predicted all of the clones movements. Also consider, a clone is never as strong as the original unless limbo is involved.

If Sasuke could defeat Naruto without indra's arrow, I believe he would have. But considering he immediately went to his strongest attack. To me that says as soon as Kurama gathered all that NE, Sasuke knew that he only had a a small window to which he could kill Naruto. Even tho Sasuke had a massive power up from the bijuus AND the

Genjutsu would have worked on either Naruto OR yin kurama. Not both at the same time. One of the perks of being a perfect Jin. I know of no instance where if a Jin like Naruto or B with full cooperation from their bijuus were trapped in a genjutsu that couldn't be dispelled. At least any thing not as powerful as IT. As I said, I don't think any genjutsu Sasuke could have used to end it as quickly as people seem to think cuz
1) Genjutsu really isn't his thing
2) Considering his run in with B, he was probably wary of using it anyway
 

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Controlling chakra and containing the amount are different tho. No question his control is superb, but there's a reason he had to store it in his PS, he has the eyes of the sage. Not the body.

If it was anyone else other than Naruto, I don't think any other person bar Hashi could have gathered enough NE to combat the immense power up Sasuke gained from the bijuus. Plus with that increase of speed and power, he has the sharingan which predicted all of the clones movements. Also consider, a clone is never as strong as the original unless limbo is involved.

If Sasuke could defeat Naruto without indra's arrow, I believe he would have. But considering he immediately went to his strongest attack. To me that says as soon as Kurama gathered all that NE, Sasuke knew that he only had a a small window to which he could kill Naruto. Even tho Sasuke had a massive power up from the bijuus AND the

Genjutsu would have worked on either Naruto OR yin kurama. Not both at the same time. One of the perks of being a perfect Jin. I know of no instance where if a Jin like Naruto or B with full cooperation from their bijuus were trapped in a genjutsu that couldn't be dispelled. At least any thing not as powerful as IT. As I said, I don't think any genjutsu Sasuke could have used to end it as quickly as people seem to think cuz
1) Genjutsu really isn't his thing
2) Considering his run in with B, he was probably wary of using it anyway
Why does it matter that he stored it in his Susano'o,and not his body? His power increase with it,which means all his techniques would be more powerful.

Sasuke is highly skilled with Genjutsu,he has been using it since the start of part 2.

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Why does it matter that he stored it in his Susano'o,and not his body? His power increase with it,which means all his techniques would be more powerful.

Sasuke is highly skilled with Genjutsu,he has been using it since the start of part 2.

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This may just be my thinking, but imagine if Sasuke could contain the bijuu chakra within his own body like Naruto or madara. Naruto with so6p chakra and bijuu was able to with stand Sasuke's so6p powers to the point Sasuke had to gain chakra from another source. The bijuus. You see how powerful Naruto was with just rikudou senjutsu, imagine if Sasuke could contain the chakra of the bijuus in his body along with his rikudou chakra. I believe his Susanoo would have lasted a lot longer and his Justus would have been even more amped. Remember chakra in the body replinshes over time so an the upgrade COULD theoretically be permanent. Similar to the rinnegan and RSM power ups.

I don't doubt Sasuke's genjutsu skills. He's proven to be very good. But most of the people he used it one were not perfect jins. No doubt he got Bee, but Habchi(sp?) broke him out of it. Sasuke, as smart as he is probably figured the same would happen to Naruto.

It's funny you bring up Danzo, cuz he was very critical of Sasuke's genjutsu prowess. It was good, but not Itachi good even though he was defeated by Sasuke's jutsu. That's why I believe even though Sasuke is an excellent genjutsu caster, it's not something he considers using on a regular basis. Think about when he used the rinnegan to absorb Naruto's chakra. Wouldn't a better way to end the fight if cast genjutsu on Naruto first and then he could have killed him with anything he wanted. I believe he didn't cuz he knew there was a possibility that Kurama could break Naruto out of it which would have been even more disastrous considering his sharingan went out right before he could deal the final blow and instead got Team Rocketed smack into a cliff wall.
 
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