women are naturally weaker than men...............this isnt chauvinism its fact. And KAKASHI killed rin! Its his fault if you really take a step back and look at it. Kishi is just creating a tragic story...do you think that obito would turn evil over kakashi dying?...Its the love of a female that drove him to do the things that he did (at first). Solely blaming everything on rin is chauvinistic of you.
Kishi is a chauvinist!
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Ur right :| I mean look at sakura...shes supposed to be the lead female protagonist and she hasn't shown many feats at all U_Uand now he isn't giving her screen time at all :| pitiful:sy:
Dude, you are talking about physical strength; we are talking about manga characers who mostly fight with techniques involves contolling elements, using eyes or other traits; it is not about "who hits harder", in case you didn't notice in more than 600 chapters...And Tsunade is the one "who hits harder" than any other character; the person who posted it meant that "the women in this manga are being kept away from the screen; the female ninja are not seen in the plot too much; even if one of them getting defined by strong, she ends up being a faux action girl"
About the real life "facts", every indivudual is unique by its own, if someone chooses to be strong he or she will work for it and make it happen, so "being weak by nature" does not mean that much.
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Tsunade has had an incredible amount of screen time...You think its chauvinist to put the main focus of the story on the main characters, who just so happen to be male? Its not like kishi has a lack of females in naruto. If kishi was a true chauvinist then he would make all women seem pitiful and useless when thats obviously not the case. Ino & hinata even saved naruto's life....
And as for the bold, you do realize than no matter how hard a female tries, she will always be at a disadvantage physically to their male counterpart.
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This is a Japanese story that people from other countries and cultures have come to love,so don't use FemaNazi tactics of the liberal left on it. Accept it and read it or find something else to read. This story is going by Japanese tradition by a traditional writher of Japanese tradition so don't expect Liberal views in it.
Of course the focus would be on main characters; i know that for sure but how many fights you can tell me a woman beats a man in Naruto? almost none, and Kishi said it himself, he is not good at writing female characters; that means he knows what he is doing, but nothing is progressing in that department; it is not just about power; most females do not have well-developed characteristics, they are just "women" most of the time, while the male ones are actual "characters" with personalities, and many females got saved many times; even Tsunade got saved by part 1 Naruto from part 1 Kabuto; it was like a joke.
About the bold part, there is not a such thing as counterpart, i do not know how much knowledge or experience in that department, but for example there is no such thing as "a man with 5 years of boxing experience would definetely defeat a woman with 5 years of boxing experience". Everything depends on different conditions, so yes there would be a physical disdtvantage, but physical strength is not the only parameter in a fight.
1. Sakura & chiyo defeated sasori...You speak as if females are undermined in the series, two of the 5 kage are females. There are strong women in naruto and they get the same amount of screen time as all of the other side characters. Sakura is the only one who hasnt been fulfilling her role as a character and i think thats because kishi is shifting that spotlight to hinata, who is doing good so far.
2. So you agree with me. women will be at a disadvantage(never said they would definitely lose), even with the same amount of training and experience. But this only applies to fighting. And your missing my point about "physically"...im not only talking about physical strength. Im also talking about chakra capacity, stamina, and everything else that is associated in a naruto fight. Tsunade (arguably the strongest female in naruto) has all of these traits and is a senju, which is a major plot point in the story. And kishi recognizes this by giving her a lot of screen time.
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Its always been this way with Japanese Anime's look at dragon-ball Z there is no female super saiyen.. blah blah blah.
You're missing a some things in your argument
(keeping in mind that I do think that women are portrayed poorly and not as strong as some of there male counter parts)
1) The culture of how things work in the part of the world are a lot different then they are here. So the way we perceive things in North America is way different then how they perceive in things in Japan.
2) the way you present your arguments you sound like a feminist (I'm not sure if you are, but you're anger is evident)
3) This is his anime and he can present however he wants
4) You still take the time daily to watch/read the manga/anime So you must enjoy it either way.
Also keep in mind that i am not attacking you, i just think you need to present it in a better way.
You're missing a some things in your argument
(keeping in mind that I do think that women are portrayed poorly and not as strong as some of there male counter parts)
1) The culture of how things work in the part of the world are a lot different then they are here. So the way we perceive things in North America is way different then how they perceive in things in Japan.
2) the way you present your arguments you sound like a feminist (I'm not sure if you are, but you're anger is evident)
3) This is his anime and he can present however he wants
4) You still take the time daily to watch/read the manga/anime So you must enjoy it either way.
Also keep in mind that i am not attacking you, i just think you need to present it in a better way.
Sasori took an attack that he could avoid, it is stated by Chiyo. Kishi can make every kage female if he wants; but being kage is just a title, the things that counts what characters actually do.And just look at everybody's stronges shinobis list, they are like freakin sausage fests, even in top twenty, you can see 3 women at most. Yes, Tsunade is arguably the strongest female, but the strongest "female", so Konan, Chiyo, Mei are some of strongest females, not strongest characters; i hope i made my point; there are strong females there, but the Narutoverse full of much more powerful male characters; and the other female ninja with lower ranks are not even par with the males in their age group; k11 girls are on the bottom of the list maybe along with Kiba, Samui who is supposed to be Killer Bee's student showed absoultely nothing other than bewbz, Rin had no skills other than madical ninjutsu and withstanding some genjutsu, how the actual f**k Sakura even became a ninja in the first place etc...It is like Kishi are making some female characters just because they can play around, i am not telling every single one of them are terrible; but they are absolutely pale in comparasion...
Anyway, you seem like a cool person who has his(i am assuming that you are a he) own thoughts and ideas, which is something many people in the base lacks, i hope i did not say anything to somewhat offend you, i think it is pretty cool thing to having a debate with someone has different opinions than mine.
yeah im a guy, And i guess we just have different opinions on the matter. I feel as if females are portrayed decently when necessary. And im just using tsunade as an example of someone with a lot of screen time. Sakura and a lot of the k11 did for a while but it started to fade rapidly. However IMO thats just due to the ridiculous power scaling, which usually involves males but these males are the main pro/antagonists of the series, so it makes sense...
Idk as i said this is my opinion, there's obviously no convincing you
but yeah it was an entertaining debate
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Konan was a member of the Akatsuki - a group where you didn't get in if you were weak. She hold her own pretty good against Obito. Tsunade is a Hokage and known as the best medic nin. Mei is a Kage as well.
Kushina was able to survive the extraction of the Kyuubi and even helped Naruto tame him later on.
Hinata and Temari are women who aren't weak either and can fight very well.
Did you confuse Rin with Sakura? Because from what I have read, Rin was actually nice to Obito and even befriended him. It wasn't her fault that he didn't have the guts to admit he had a crush on her. Don't blame Rin for something Obito didn't have the guts to admit. Obito chose the path he made for himself - it's not Rin's fault.
Kishimoto-sensei isn't sexistic. He admitted during an interview that he is bad at portraying women in the manga, but even with that I think he did a fairly good job still. At least his female characters have bodies that can actually be found in real life as well - he has both curvy women (like Mei, Tsunade and Hinata) as regular sized girls (like Sakura, Tenten, Kushina ...).
I consider the mangaka of High school of the dead more sexistic - while the girls in his manga can fight off zombies well, their bodies are way out of proportion (big breasts, very thin waist, very slender, long legs ...) and contrarily to the guys, they don't seem able to keep their clothes on during the fighting. I've only read the first two, three volumes so far, and practically all the main female characters have already lost their clothes, leaving them in nothing more than skimpy underwear and in one case even with just panties and a kitchen short, before they all went in bath together. And the guys? Well, they managed to keep their clothes on strangely enough.
Also you have to keep into consideration the Japanese culture. You can't put the Western view on some things together with the Japanese view. The Japanese people have viewed women as caring mothers who stay home and do the household and raise the children. Of course nowadays most women do have a job as well, but most women don't mind to stay at home to take care of the children and the household.
Naruto is a shinobi world - a world filled with fighting. Is it a miracle that most female characters are put into a healing role then? And even then they still are able to fight. Some even combine fighting with healing (like Sakura).
So yeah, sorry, but I don't view Kishimoto-sensei as sexistic. Sure, he could do a bit more work regarding the female characters, but overall he did a pretty good job in my opinion.
Kushina was able to survive the extraction of the Kyuubi and even helped Naruto tame him later on.
Hinata and Temari are women who aren't weak either and can fight very well.
Did you confuse Rin with Sakura? Because from what I have read, Rin was actually nice to Obito and even befriended him. It wasn't her fault that he didn't have the guts to admit he had a crush on her. Don't blame Rin for something Obito didn't have the guts to admit. Obito chose the path he made for himself - it's not Rin's fault.
Kishimoto-sensei isn't sexistic. He admitted during an interview that he is bad at portraying women in the manga, but even with that I think he did a fairly good job still. At least his female characters have bodies that can actually be found in real life as well - he has both curvy women (like Mei, Tsunade and Hinata) as regular sized girls (like Sakura, Tenten, Kushina ...).
I consider the mangaka of High school of the dead more sexistic - while the girls in his manga can fight off zombies well, their bodies are way out of proportion (big breasts, very thin waist, very slender, long legs ...) and contrarily to the guys, they don't seem able to keep their clothes on during the fighting. I've only read the first two, three volumes so far, and practically all the main female characters have already lost their clothes, leaving them in nothing more than skimpy underwear and in one case even with just panties and a kitchen short, before they all went in bath together. And the guys? Well, they managed to keep their clothes on strangely enough.
Also you have to keep into consideration the Japanese culture. You can't put the Western view on some things together with the Japanese view. The Japanese people have viewed women as caring mothers who stay home and do the household and raise the children. Of course nowadays most women do have a job as well, but most women don't mind to stay at home to take care of the children and the household.
Naruto is a shinobi world - a world filled with fighting. Is it a miracle that most female characters are put into a healing role then? And even then they still are able to fight. Some even combine fighting with healing (like Sakura).
So yeah, sorry, but I don't view Kishimoto-sensei as sexistic. Sure, he could do a bit more work regarding the female characters, but overall he did a pretty good job in my opinion.
Sigh Temari>>>>>>>>Shikamaru and Shikamaru admitted inferiority to her already so I don't know why people still think otherwise.Oh, and I just remembered another one! What her name? The one that has a sand-freaky brother as the Kazekage and some goth punk playing with dolls as another brother.. Oh yeah, Temari! She was like 14 or 15 during the Chunin Exams, and got pretty much owned by Shikamaru, who was 12.. Either Shikamaru is gonna be one of the greatest Shinobi we've ever seen (which I doubt will happen so far), Or Temari is just lame. You'll know I'm right if Kishi will kill her as well
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. As for their fight during the chunin exams, you do realize that Shikamaru didn't have any chakra left to finish the fight so he pretty much lost unless you can prove otherwise. Not only that but any form of Temari not from the chunin exams will beat current Shikamaru unless Shikamaru can avoid a forest buster attack somehow
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.As for the issue at hand, Kishi just has his way of doing things but I could agree to some extent but when it comes to combat, males are quite stronger than females. Then you also have to take into account that there is one female for every two males so it stands to reason why there are far more powerful males than females.
