Kishi Has Done Well To Balance Naruto and Sasuke.

[DeViliShChild]

Here is a normal genjutsu by zetsu clone of itachi and it's all black.

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[Scooby Doo]

Nope. You have to show the whole page. And that whole place doesn't look black. Itachi's Tsukuyomi shows everything black and some parts white.

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Like this:




Apparently... only a blood relative can actually break his Tsukuyomi.

1) The manga page you posted about B under genjutsu isnt the whole black !!!!Only that picture where it shows B ubder genjutsu so you contradicted yourself .(dont get angry, not an insult, just prove me wrong if you can.You said the whole page has to be black yet your page with B isnt whole black)
2) What does it have to do with anything I wrote.Sorry I dont see

 

[Seraphiel]

Now ask yourself, does this..

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Look like this?

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Yes. LOL

Tsukuyomi is the only jutsu that's painted like that.

Here is a normal genjutsu by zetsu clone of itachi and it's all black.

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Nope. Look how different Kakashi looks.

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1) The manga page you posted about B under genjutsu isnt the whole black !!!!Only that picture where it shows B ubder genjutsu so you contradicted yourself .(dont get angry, not an insult, just prove me wrong if you can.You said the whole page has to be black yet your page with B isnt whole black)
2) What does it have to do with anything I wrote.Sorry I dont see

My god. Look closely at the pages. U_U

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[Stark]

I agree, Naruto is stronger ATM though

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yes. LOL

Tsukuyomi is the only jutsu that's painted like that.

Sigh. Ok,I'm a little bit tired, lets suppose Sasuke has tsukoyomi but its weak like shit. Still I dont think an eye can have 2 abilities. And I still dont think Susanoo requires amaterasu and tsukoyomi. The page I linked doesnt say it. So you say that for example someone with kamui cannot awaken it?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I agree, Naruto is stronger ATM though

Yh, that's for sure.

 

[Seraphiel]

Sigh. Ok,I'm a little bit tired, lets suppose Sasuke has tsukoyomi but its weak like shit. Still I dont think an eye can have 2 abilities. And I still dont think Susanoo requires amaterasu and tsukoyomi. The page I linked doesnt say it. So you say that for example someone with kamui cannot awaken it?

1. You need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to be able to use Susano'o.

2. Enton is probably Sasuke's original MS ability. Remember that Itachi transferred some of his powers to Sasuke.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Yes. LOL

Tsukuyomi is the only jutsu that's painted like that.




Nope. Look how different Kakashi looks.

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My god. Look closely at the pages. U_U

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Yea your right it is different (just inverted colors)
One question though, what is the benefit to using Tsukuyomi over a normal genjutsu if you cannot alter the time?

 

[Seraphiel]

Yea your right it is different (just inverted colors)
One question though, what is the benefit to using Tsukuyomi over a normal genjutsu if you cannot alter the time?

Tsukuyomi requires more chakra to use. A regular genjutsu won't use as much chakra. But Tsukuyomi is still more powerful than a regular genjutsu.

 

[Scooby Doo]

1. You need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to be able to use Susano'o.

2. Enton is probably Sasuke's original MS ability. Remember that Itachi transferred some of his powers to Sasuke.

2) Then why Itachi couldnt manipulate amaterasu? And why was he surprised that sasuke has susanoo?

1) Sasuke said only those can acquire susanoo who have control over both mangekyou eyes. He has no control over tsukoyomi, then how does he have susanoo?

But ok I admit that B 's drawing is similar/same like Itachi's tsukoyomi world, but I said that I think the caster can decide what the genjutsu should be like.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Tsukuyomi requires more chakra to use. A regular genjutsu won't use as much chakra. But Tsukuyomi is still more powerful than a regular genjutsu.

No it isn't, danzo broke out of it instantly.

 

[Seraphiel]

2) Then why Itachi couldnt manipulate amaterasu? And why was he surprised that sasuke has susanoo?

1) Sasuke said only those can acquire susanoo who has control over both mangekyou eyes. He has no control over tsukoyomi, then how does he have susanoo?

But ok I admit that B 's drawing is similar/same like Itachi's tsukoyomi world, but I said that I think the caster can decide what the genjutsu should be like.

1. Itachi doesn't have Enton. Only Sasuke can manipulate them to such a degree because of it.

2. Sasuke does have Tsukuyomi. The difference between his and Itachi's is that he can't alter time the way Itachi can - "one second in the real world is like 24 hours in Tsukuyomi". << Itachi's.

3. The caster might have the ability to change how the world looks, but Itachi's Tsukuyomi looks white on black on the manga... always. No matter how he makes it look, the color is always the same - white on black.

No it isn't, danzo broke out of it instantly.

How did he break out of it? I really don't know. But Sasuke does have Tsukuyomi.

 

[DeViliShChild]

How did he break out of it? I really don't know. But Sasuke does have Tsukuyomi.

thats fine , for now i'll accept that. I just don't understand why he would use a genjtusu that takes a LOT out of him (grabbed eye on both uses (danzo and killerbee)) That is essientally as strong as a "normal genjutsu"

 

[Scooby Doo]

1. Itachi doesn't have Enton. Only Sasuke can manipulate them to such a degree because of it.

2. Sasuke does have Tsukuyomi. The difference between his and Itachi's is that he can't alter time the way Itachi can - "one second in the real world is like 24 hours in Tsukuyomi". << Itachi's.

3. The caster might have the ability to change how the world looks, but Itachi's Tsukuyomi looks white on black on the manga... always. No matter how he makes it look, the color is always the same - white on black.

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Ok, still, only one picture is the proof....its not too much you can admit it...but I also admit that you might be right...Still, you havent answered the susanoo problem.If sasuke has tsukoyomi but hasnt mastered it then how can he have susanoo

 

[Seraphiel]

thats fine , for now i'll accept that. I just don't understand why he would use a genjtusu that takes a LOT out of him (grabbed eye on both uses (danzo and killerbee)) That is essientally as strong as a "normal genjutsu"

Maybe Izanagi allowed him to. :shrug: I can't explain everything. LOL

Ok, still, only one picture is the proof....its not too much you can admit it...but I also admit that you might be right...Still, you havent answered the susanoo problem.If sasuke has tsukoyomi but hasnt mastered it then how can he have susanoo

You don't have to master it... you just have to have it. The databook says it - you need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

 

[nigha]

There is no definite proof sauske has Tsukoyomi just as kobak has said. He might, and that all fine and dandy, but until he shows a move and the word Tsukoyomi pops up we must assume he does not have that ability.

i strongly agree..everyone has a personal ms tech from shuishi to madara...ACCEPT IT

 

[Scooby Doo]

You don't have to master it... you just have to have it. The databook says it - you need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

Wrong. I've posted it a few times already:

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Sasuke says you need control over both mangekyous

 

[nigha]

wrong. I've posted it a few times already:

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sasuke says you need control over both mangekyous

you are wrong..you just have to awken both techs in both eyes to have susanoo...whatever those techs may be,as long as you have them you have susanoo

 

[Seraphiel]

Wrong. I've posted it a few times already:

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Sasuke says you need control over both mangekyous

But that doesn't prove that you don't need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to be able to use it.

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And that doesn't prove that he doesn't have Tsukuyomi.

 

[Scooby Doo]

But that doesn't prove that you don't need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to be able to use it.

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And that doesn't prove that he doesn't have Tsukuyomi.

It proves that if you cannot control both eyes you cannot use susanoom so Sasuke obviously can use susanoo but he cannot control tsukoyomi. How do you explain that???
And your proof for sasuke having tsukoyomi is a picture of B in black.Sorry but you cannot expect me to accept this as an unquestionable proof.Also, I dont know how old is that databook. Maybe it will be updated soon. According to the databook Sai is stronger than naruto. But now Naruto is stronger, the story developed on.