Kishi had it all layed out and then decided to throw it all away?

[Draxus]

4: it does not take equal portions of yin and yang energies to generate chakra, every jutsu has a diffrent composition of ying-yang energy chakra required actually.. i suggest you read into this a bit more before posting your counter arguement

I never said equal parts yin and yang, but it does take both. So he does have both. So his ability to create yang energy wasn't sealed with his other half. So he doesn't need his other half to create a balance.

I still don't get what he "threw away". Please enlighten me to the greater plan that was not realized.

2: i never said this idea came to him a few weeks ago what are you talking about? i'd rather say he came up with it all the way back at the pain fight if not earlier...

3: then why did kishi state that his yin energy was sealed? not just half his chakra? his abillity to create yin energy must have been removed the same way orochimaru's capabillity of molding chakra with his arms was removed...

Aren't you saying he just came up with the whole yin and yang Kurama thing recently? IDK. You don't really seem to have clear message sorry I assumed incorrectly.

 

[osba]

I never said equal parts yin and yang, but it does take both. So he does have both. So his ability to create yang energy wasn't sealed with his other half. So he doesn't need his other half to create a balance.

he could be using naruto's.. i mean he is taking naruto's chakra after all..

I still don't get what he "threw away". Please enlighten me to the greater plan that was not realized.

naruto needed (minato's)kurama yin energy to properly balance out the (naruto's)kurama yang energy for kyuubi sage mode.

Aren't you saying he just came up with the whole yin and yang Kurama thing recently? IDK. You don't really seem to have clear message sorry I assumed incorrectly.

no, i'm saying that, if you look at how sage mode works, the kyuubi's chakra should have been balanced and else he should not have been capable of using it, and that this is the reason he can now use kyuubi sage mode.. not "because kurama allowed it" because if that would have been the case i'm pretty sure he would have just gone kyuubi sage mode from the first day he attained the kyuubi's chakra.. it's not like he forgot about it... why go trough the trouble of stopping kyuubi cloak to use sage mode if not for it not being compatible with each other the way it was before?

 

[Draxus]

he could be using naruto's.. i mean he is taking naruto's chakra after all..
naruto needed (minato's)kurama yin energy to properly balance out the (naruto's)kurama yang energy for kyuubi sage mode.
no, i'm saying that, if you look at how sage mode works, the kyuubi's chakra should have been balanced and else he should not have been capable of using it, and that this is the reason he can now use kyuubi sage mode.. not "because kurama allowed it" because if that would have been the case i'm pretty sure he would have just gone kyuubi sage mode from the first day he attained the kyuubi's chakra.. it's not like he forgot about it... why go trough the trouble of stopping kyuubi cloak to use sage mode if not for it not being compatible with each other the way it was before?

I already explained this. When BM was first introduced the focus was on perfecting the link, SM was a part of the equation. 2ndly Kurama is too proud to think to apply sage mode to his power. That's why the idea didn't come about until after it was established SM is Obito's weakness AND BM was possible.

Lastly there would have been no time to show what BM can do if they went straight into SBM. Kishi needed to build tension.

 

[osba]

I already explained this. When BM was first introduced the focus was on perfecting the link, SM was a part of the equation. 2ndly Kurama is too proud to think to apply sage mode to his power. That's why the idea didn't come about until after it was established SM is Obito's weakness AND BM was possible.

Lastly there would have been no time to show what BM can do if they went straight into SBM. Kishi needed to build tension.

i agree with you! kurama was indeed too proud but you see, naruto used sage mode several times and why wouldnt he have tried mixing it up himself?
and i agree with you again! it was indeed to build tension.. the same kind of reason he ended up changing explanation of the way the kyuubi sage mode works

but lets keep it at this.. there is no use to this thread other than my curiousity

 

[svladcjelli42]

you need your yin and yang energies balanced with nature energy to attain sage mode.

That's your problem right there. That is wrong. You need to balance Spiritual, Physical, and Nature chakras, whereas regular Ninjutsu just balances Spiritual and Physical. That Yin/Yang/Nature thing came straight out of your imagination.

 

[osba]

That's your problem right there. That is wrong. You need to balance Spiritual, Physical, and Nature chakras, whereas regular Ninjutsu just balances Spiritual and Physical. That Yin/Yang/Nature thing came straight out of your imagination.

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yin = spiritual
yang = physical....
stop posting...