Kishi had it all layed out and then decided to throw it all away?

[osba]

1: kurama became angry and thus some bijuu chakra sipped out being mixed with nature chakra???

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as you can see he let himself get hit on purpose... he balanced out the yin chakra with his own and thus made a 1/1/1 ratio of nature/naruto yin/kurama yang.. why didn't he use this in battle? because he did not want to rely on kurama to win.

2: they could not use sage mode because kurama would not allow pa toad to join"his room"..?

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as you can see he needed Yin chakra to perform it.. wich he got in the chapter before the last.

what do you guys think? was this chapter written by his cleaner? were the translators off?

My personal guess is that he does not care about the plot as much as he does about the feel of the moment; having naruto figure out something so complex once again in such a short notice might give off a wrong message..

oversimplified explanation:

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Ok, first things first; this thread is about naruto getting kyuubi sage mode.

you need your yin and yang energies balanced with nature energy to attain sage mode.

naruto's kurama is a yang energy entity, and thus misses the required yin to make a 33% ratio of each.

now in the last few chapters we have seen kurama getting some yin energy and now he can use kyuubi sage mode.

naruto and kurama have been "friends" for many chapters already so why didn't he tell naruto that he could use kyuubi mode together with sage mode? because he could not do so.

so my conclusion is that kishi cares more about the feel of the moment, (naruto figured out quite some stuff in the past few chapters and i guess kishi felt it would be too much to make him figure out himself that he can balance the yin and yang now to make kyuubi sage mode?) that's my guess on that at least...

 

[FemmeFatale]

Naruto got the yin chakra???

 

[osba]

Naruto got the yin chakra???

yeah last chapter he lended some from black kurama

 

[Zuru]

Naruto got the yin chakra???

Well, Minato's Kurama did power-up Naruto when they bumped fists.

 

[boshans]

I don't really get what you are taking about to be honest. Can you please put it in better terms, whatever you are trying to say doesn't make sense with how you worded it.

 

[osba]

I don't really get what you are taking about to be honest. Can you please put it in better terms, whatever you are trying to say doesn't make sense with how you worded it.

so your saying you don't get it? too bad. :yeah:

 

[The Necromancer]

so your saying you don't get it? too bad. :yeah:

What a great attitude you have...

 

[osba]

What a great attitude you have...

sorry stay on topic please.

 

[Sot6p]

That's what I was thinking actually... He needed a balance between Yin/Yang to gather Natural Energy as well.

Really, the original idea I had was for Naruto to summon the toads to gather Natural Energy faster... I mean, they could probably have explained about the senjutsu weakness.

 

[osba]

That's what I was thinking actually... He needed a balance between Yin/Yang to gather Natural Energy as well.

Really, the original idea I had was for Naruto to summon the toads to gather Natural Energy faster... I mean, they could probably have explained about the senjutsu weakness.

i would say summon the toads for them to lend him their chakra.. both gamabunta, ma and pa were capable of chakra sharing/giving so i wouldn't be surprised if all toads could.
and as we have seen from gamabunta, toads do not have nature energy, they have normal chakra.
they are masters at manipulating it though

 

[shanee]

Naruto got the yin chakra???

nope. not yet.

 

[osba]

nope. not yet.

he got yin chakra handed out to him in the second last chapter.

 

[Draxus]

This thread makes no sense to me either.

What exactly are you saying kishi laid out and threw away? I see no missing pieces here.

Wait... are you saying you don't understand how Naruto could used senjutsu before w/o Kurama's yang chakra?

 

[Jako98146]

I forgot all about that balance thing until you mentioned it. You're right, that is kind of weird that Kishi didn't use that explanation

 

[boshans]

so your saying you don't get it? too bad. :yeah:

Maybe you can describe what you are trying to say better, or use better grammar. I wasn't making fun of you, I just wanted to know what you meant since I would like to understand your point. Naruto didn't get yin Kurama btw, he got some chakra from him yes, but that doesn't mean he has a full 100% chakra kurama yet, so that doesn't mean anything so far. If your saying that naruto couldn't use sage bijuu mode because he didn't have yin kurama...well that's just wrong. Senjutsu = physical energy + spiritual energy + nature energy.basically yin+ yang+ nature= senjutsu. Has nothing to do with kurama, Kurama's chakra IS naruto's chakra now, they are one entity basically, so the equation still stays the same. And naruto always had both yin and yang chakra. Kurama never stopped naruto from using sage mode. He only stopped pa from fusing with naruto. The only reason naruto never used sage mode while using Kurama's chakra is because, well he just never thought about combining the two, if he thought of it he could have done it.

I don't even know if that's what you're talking about that, so please enlighten us.

 

[Enigmatic]

Naruto got the yin chakra???

Lol. Femme like: NO. SAKURA SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WITH YIN CHAKRA.

 

[osba]

Maybe you can describe what you are trying to say better

Ok, first things first; this thread is about naruto getting kyuubi sage mode.

you need your yin and yang energies balanced with nature energy to attain sage mode.

naruto's kurama is a yang chakra entity, and thus misses the required yin to make a 33% ratio of each.

now in the last few chapters we have seen kurama getting some yin chakra and now he can use kyuubi sage mode.

naruto and kurama have been "friends" for many chapters already so why didn't he tell naruto that he could use kyuubi mode together with sage mode? because he could not do so.

so my conclusion is that kishi cares more about the feel of the moment, (naruto figured out quite some stuff in the past few chapters and i guess kishi felt it would be too much to make him figure out himself that he can balance the yin and yang now to make kyuubi sage mode?) that's my guess on that at least...

 

[Draxus]

Ok, first things first; this thread is about naruto getting kyuubi sage mode.

you need your yin and yang energies balanced with nature energy to attain sage mode.

naruto's kurama is a yang chakra entity, and thus misses the required yin to make a 33% ratio of each.

now in the last few chapters we have seen kurama getting some yin chakra and now he can use kyuubi sage mode.

naruto and kurama have been "friends" for many chapters already so why didn't he tell naruto that he could use kyuubi mode together with sage mode? because he could not do so.

so my conclusion is that kishi cares more about the feel of the moment, (naruto figured out quite some stuff in the past few chapters and i guess kishi felt it would be too much to make him figure out himself that he can balance the yin and yang now to make kyuubi sage mode?) that's my guess on that at least...

No... Kurama didn't need Yin Kurama's chakra to allow Naruto use Sage mode. Kurama didn't tell him before because them getting their link perfected for BM took was more pressing. Not that much time has past in the war between him first getting BM and the last chapter. Also there was no reason for him to mention until using SM became a necessity.

Kishi planned to use SBM before the war arc even started, not sure where you're getting this hypothisis that the idea just came to him a few weeks ago.

Also if you think Kurama can't produce both spiritual and physical energy you are wrong. It take both to create chakra, Kurama is made of chakra.

 

[osba]

No... Kurama didn't need Yin Kurama's chakra to allow Naruto use Sage mode. Kurama didn't tell him before because them getting their link perfected for BM took was more pressing. Not that much time has past in the war between him first getting BM and the last chapter. Also there was no reason for him to mention until using SM became a necessity.

Kishi planned to use SBM before the war arc even started, not sure where you're getting this hypothisis that the idea just came to him a few weeks ago.

Also if you think Kurama can't produce both spiritual and physical energy you are wrong. It take both to create chakra, Kurama is made of chakra.

1: sage mode = spiritual + physical + nature energy divided in equal partings.. yes there is a diffrence between spiritual and physical kurama (chakra arms, appeareances and even tempers...)

2: i never said this idea came to him a few weeks ago what are you talking about? i'd rather say he came up with it all the way back at the pain fight if not earlier...

3: then why did kishi state that his yin energy was sealed? not just half his chakra? his abillity to create yin energy must have been removed the same way orochimaru's capabillity of molding chakra with his arms was removed...

4: it does not take equal portions of yin and yang energies to generate chakra, every jutsu has a diffrent composition of ying-yang energy chakra required actually.. i suggest you read into this a bit more before posting your counter arguement

 

[Nous]

I agree with the title. I think Masashi had better stuff planned for us but due to publishing or maybe he's stressed out or something cause manga-ka have very tight schedules with minimal sleep and leisure time, wasn't able to showcase it.

OT: I kinda get what you're saying. It's odd, that is all :bb