Kishi can't seem to make up his mind

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Does anyone else feel kishi is being a little ambiguous in regards to hashi vs Madara, let me explain.

When we were first introduced to Madara it was said that he was the leader of the uchiha clan who rivals are the senju. If a country hired one clan there opposition would hire the other because it was said that no other clan could match these two (uchiha and senju) in strength.

It was also stated that Madara and hashi have fought multiple times in the past and it seems that all but one fight ended in a stalemate. This would mean hashi and Madara were equal in power and experience. And seeing how bitch everyone gets when they hear madaras name it would seem hashi was the only senju to be able to go toe to toe with him and vice versa. Mind you this was back when Madara only had ms ems and kuybi.

Now let's fast forward to the present. Kishi wants to reintroduce Madara into the world so how does he do it he makes him the ultimate shinobi giving him Rin and mukton ontop of the great techs he already has. He even goes as far as to show case his powers By dropping not one but two meteors on the army then bitching out the five kage and showing us that based god susanoo. Now logically Madara should be able to stomp hashi now since hashi had trouble with Madara with just the ems, now hashi would have to fight the same power he faced back then, new far more powerful eyes, and his own power. It's almost like saying Kobe beat Lebron by a little bit but them Lebron learned all of Kobe's moves to a t and mixed them with his and Kobe still wins some how.

It's almost like kishi was so hyped about introducing the greatest another uchiha (because lets face it kishi def favors uchiha over everyone else) he gave him all these tools then a couple chapters later comes down off his uchiha high and realizes oh yea he's a villain and villans can't win so now I have to make it seem as if hashi can still beat Madara even thought I did pretty much say they were equal in power because in manga world evil never wins (which i don't agree with because in the real world many evil people get away with what they did).

Now when Madara states that hashi is the only Person that could stop him I thing he was saying he's is the only one that has a chance to beat him not that he could just out right beat him with no diff.

Kishi needs to stop bull shitting and just show us the fight an what went down and he better not troll and show some weak ass fight.

Does anyone else feel that kishi could have been more clear on these two interns of strength, and also how do you feel about this subject do you feel hashi and Madara have a huge gap in power or does one have the upper hand over the other.
 

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I think kishi has made it unclear about their strength yes. Does he mean hashi can stand up to him now or does he mean that the kages compared to hashi is pitiful. Either way I am sure edo madara would win against hashi.

But if madara was brought back the way he was intended to he wouldn't of been edo. So that is no regeneration and also no well dare I say unlimited chakra, we all know that edo's can't die so that means they can't die from having no chakra. I blieve their might be a re-charge time, if anything.

So maybe he is thinking with this mind-frame when he talks about hashi.
 
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Tobi is the one who said that the whole staelmate thing. We all know Tobi is a liar, he lied about his identity... Now the real Madara is saying Hashirama is the only one who can beat him, the only person able to beat him. Kishimoto will show us the fight sooner or later.
 

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Now when Madara states that hashi is the only Person that could stop him I thing he was saying he's is the only one that has a chance to beat him not that he could just out right beat him with no diff.

Kishi needs to stop bull shitting and just show us the fight an what went down and he better not troll and show some weak ass fight.

Does anyone else feel that kishi could have been more clear on these two interns of strength, and also how do you feel about this subject do you feel hashi and Madara have a huge gap in power or does one have the upper hand over the other.
sorry i cut half of your post out as it was too big.Anyway,that what he meant.Of course he couldnt beat him right away.He meant he got a chance to win him.
 

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I reckon its not out of the question that Kishi could show us the fight over the next few chapters. Edo tensei ending and a break is a great place to put the story on hiatus, and it would keep readers in suspense about Madara's fate (even though it is pretty obvious he's not going anywhere)
 
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Tobi is the one who said that the whole staelmate thing. We all know Tobi is a liar, he lied about his identity... Now the real Madara is saying Hashirama is the only one who can beat him, the only person able to beat him. Kishimoto will show us the fight sooner or later.
Yes while Tobi does lie about things he still speaks real shit. I still kinda think hes a Madara clone but I digress. It's known by everyone that uchiha and senju were rival clans and would always fight each other. If there leaders were not equal why even hire the other clan is you know they would lose anyway. I feels they fought many times in the past and all but one ended in a stalemate.
 
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we dont know how the fight went between the two. for all we know, hashi was holding back cuz he follows the love ideals and if he did go alll out, the power outclassed madara's greatly and now that hes suped up, madara now matches hashi
I see what your saying but I doubt hashi was holding back in any of there fights as he was protecting his clan I don't see some one half ass protecting there family.
 
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I reckon its not out of the question that Kishi could show us the fight over the next few chapters. Edo tensei ending and a break is a great place to put the story on hiatus, and it would keep readers in suspense about Madara's fate (even though it is pretty obvious he's not going anywhere)
I fcuks with this, would be a great idea instead of some dumb ass filler. And I completely agree I don't thing Madara is going anywhere some how he'll pull through (might use the putter path to truly resurrect himself.
 
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I think kishi has made it unclear about their strength yes. Does he mean hashi can stand up to him now or does he mean that the kages compared to hashi is pitiful. Either way I am sure edo madara would win against hashi.

But if madara was brought back the way he was intended to he wouldn't of been edo. So that is no regeneration and also no well dare I say unlimited chakra, we all know that edo's can't die so that means they can't die from having no chakra. I blieve their might be a re-charge time, if anything.

So maybe he is thinking with this mind-frame when he talks about hashi.
Hmm that's a great point you made about how Madara is still thinking if he was brought back in his original form.
 
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sorry i cut half of your post out as it was too big.Anyway,that what he meant.Of course he couldnt beat him right away.He meant he got a chance to win him.
It's cool but yea that's what I'm saying most people took it as Madara saying hashi would stomp him in his current for and I feel that's incorrect. Sorry for the multi post I'm at work on my fone so it's to much work to try and quote all you guys lol
 
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Kishi really needs to show the Madara vs Hashi fight cuz its starting to seem kinda unreal that Hashi was able...that....thing....called Madara
Lol straight up since he's been back I've had to call him based god because he's to beastly right now and I really need to see how hashi be him, because if it was that power of good crap or plot no jutsu I'm gunna be friggin pissed
 
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I don't think anyone thinks Hashirama could beat Edo Madara. No one thinks this for obvious reasons. During his life Hashirama was the only one able to stop Madara.
Lol are we on the same forum if you go into the vs threads there are alot of people that will argue he can beat him. And untill I see how he beat him the first time I say Madara still wins.
 

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Lol are we on the same forum if you go into the vs threads there are alot of people that will argue he can beat him. And untill I see how he beat him the first time I say Madara still wins.
If we're talking about Edo Madara then I'll agree. Some peoples opinion on here baffles me. Maybe they think he can seal him because he had some powerful sealing techniques apparently.
 
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I don't think anyone thinks Hashirama could beat Edo Madara. No one thinks this for obvious reasons. During his life Hashirama was the only one able to stop Madara.
If we're talking about Edo Madara then I'll agree. Some peoples opinion on here baffles me. Maybe they think he can seal him because he had some powerful sealing techniques apparently.
Straight up another thing that urks me is when people say Madara has no sealing techs, so you mean to tell me he became the strongest uchiha and co founder of konoha and not learn one sealing tech, oh and let's not forget he has the Rin which snatches souls which is better than any sealing tech out ther IMO

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