[VS] Kisame & Zabuza vs Kakuzu & Hidan

[Forbidden Technique]

Hidan is the biggest non factor in this fight. All it takes is Kisame to create some type of water source as he does in all his fights, which makes it impossible for Hidan to form his ritual. This allows Zabuza to take him on comfortably given the fact that he has the elemental advantage and is liable to spam water clones or trap Hidan in a water prison.

Or Kisame can use water dome right off the bat trapping both Kakuzu and Hidan. It would be a while until they realize the water dome moves and figure out they need to move in opposite direction. There is absolutely no proof suggesting Kakuzu and Hidan can live without oxygen, in any case, it doesn't matter since Kisame can use the same sharks that ripped him to shreds on both Kakuzu and Hidan. Kakuzu would probably counter with iron skin, but Hidan is done.

As I mentioned before, there are many different possible outcomes in deciding who wins. I can, however, say Kakuzu, nor Hidan have a counter for Water Dome, 1,000 sharks, or Great Shark Bullet.

 

[Obito3631]

Why would Hidan engage Kisame in a Taijutsu battle when they are clearly kenjiutsu fighter's?

Also how would Samada's massive chakra draining ability effect Hidan..?
probably would not kill him but it may weaken him to the point of being unable to stand just a hunch.

Hidan uses a scythe so I don't consider that as kenjutsu but it's pretty much the same thing, he will engage him in CQC, rather.

Can you prove that Samehada can absorb chakra that is not clearly visible? Samehada only absorbed chakra cloak or chakra based jutsus that are visible, he can't just absorb it if the chakra is still inside the person and Hidan doesn't use chakra.

 

[Penguin]

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Ok thank you for posting your points first off.

Zabuza's sword is named "Decapitating Carving Knife." He will cutt off the head. In your scan he was trying too scare Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke, still genin by saying that he does not know how too kill them.

He reveals himself yes. But Zabuza's sword is bigger than Shikamaru's weapon. It would in-deed cutt his head off.

Kakazu would put him back together, but Kakazu would be fighting Kisame. Kisame is one of the most dangerous members of the Akatsuki. Kisame swings his sword and can drain alot of chakra out of Kakazu.

 

[Zexion~]

Hidan is the biggest non factor in this fight. All it takes is Kisame to create some type of water source as he does in all his fights, which makes it impossible for Hidan to form his ritual. This allows Zabuza to take him on comfortably given the fact that he has the elemental advantage and is liable to spam water clones or trap Hidan in a water prison.

Or Kisame can use water dome right off the bat trapping both Kakuzu and Hidan. It would be a while until they realize the water dome moves and figure out they need to move in opposite direction. There is absolutely no proof suggesting Kakuzu and Hidan can live without oxygen, in any case, it doesn't matter since Kisame can use the same sharks that ripped him to shreds on both Kakuzu and Hidan. Kakuzu would probably counter with iron skin, but Hidan is done.

As I mentioned before, there are many different possible outcomes in deciding who wins. I can, however, say Kakuzu, nor Hidan have a counter for Water Dome, 1,000 sharks, or Great Shark Bullet.

Well First Of Kakuzu Wouldnt Be "ripped To Shreds" Because OF Dotun Domu And It will work in water because earth>Water

And His hearts would Still Be able to swim Out of the dome And By kisame using this technique Zabuza Dies .. And it becomes A 1v1 battle Between Kakuzu And Kisame Which I would Then Repeat Could go either way Great water shark bullet is countered By earth Grundge Fear

 

[Zexion~]

Ok thank you for posting your points first off.

Zabuza's sword is named "Decapitating Carving Knife." He will cutt off the head. In your scan he was trying too scare Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke, still genin by saying that he does not know how too kill them.

He reveals himself yes. But Zabuza's sword is bigger than Shikamaru's weapon. It would in-deed cutt his head off.

Kakazu would put him back together, but Kakazu would be fighting Kisame. Kisame is one of the most dangerous members of the Akatsuki. Kisame swings his sword and can drain alot of chakra out of Kakazu.

Kisame Would Be distracted By Kakuzus Hearts While Kakuzu Is fixing Hidan if we use your Scenario

 

[Zexion~]

Why would Hidan engage Kisame in a Taijutsu battle when they are clearly kenjiutsu fighter's?

Also how would Samada's massive chakra draining ability effect Hidan..?
probably would not kill him but it may weaken him to the point of being unable to stand just a hunch.

Kisame Was Actually Said to not be so skileld in kenjutsu .... he doesnt Need to be since His sword drains chakra yet hidan has never show to use chakra with his techniques

 

[Penguin]

Kisame Was Actually Said to not be so skileld in kenjutsu .... he doesnt Need to be since His sword drains chakra yet hidan has never show to use chakra with his techniques

Show me a scan of where it says this. Kisame was a member of the seven ninja "SWORDSMEN" of the mist. By the way, Kisame can make water clones too fight the hearts. Zabuza can make watrer clones too distract Kakazu.

 

[Obito3631]

Show me a scan of where it says this. Kisame was a member of the seven ninja "SWORDSMEN" of the mist. By the way, Kisame can make water clones too fight the hearts. Zabuza can make watrer clones too distract Kakazu.

Still no counter to my argument? you were wrong, as i thought.

 

[Deadai]

Hidan uses a scythe so I don't consider that as kenjutsu but it's pretty much the same thing, he will engage him in CQC, rather.

Can you prove that Samehada can absorb chakra that is not clearly visible? Samehada only absorbed chakra cloak or chakra based jutsus that are visible, he can't just absorb it if the chakra is still inside the person and Hidan doesn't use chakra.

1.What is CQC?

2. You got me there I suppose it only is able to absorb straight from the body when infusion happens...?

3 Hidan may not use chakra but it is still something essential to everyone in Narutoverse. Shinobi whom have low chakra can weaken physicly and with no chakra die. I don't know how chakra absorption will effect Hidan though with his Immortality ability's.

 

[Zexion~]

Show me a scan of When He keeps Up with Someone skilled in taijutsu/Kenjutsu with just his sword...

And water Clones Are Nothing one shot From Lightning Heart Destroys them ..

 

[Obito3631]

1.What is CQC?

2. You got me there I suppose it only is able to absorb straight from the body when infusion happens...?

3 Hidan may not use chakra but it is still something essential to everyone in Narutoverse. Shinobi whom have low chakra can weaken physicly and with no chakra die. I don't know how chakra absorption will effect Hidan though with his Immortality ability's.

close quarter combat, kenjutsu if you prefer calling it this way

It cant just absorb chakra from physical contact when the opponent doesnt use chakra kisame can only do that when hes in his shark form, in the water dome.
Samehada alone doesnt have that ability

Except Samehada cant absorb Hidans chakra unless hes in his shark form... he isnt absorbing any of Hidan's chakra.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Well First Of Kakuzu Wouldnt Be "ripped To Shreds" Because OF Dotun Domu And It will work in water because earth>Water

And His hearts would Still Be able to swim Out of the dome And By kisame using this technique Zabuza Dies .. And it becomes A 1v1 battle Between Kakuzu And Kisame Which I would Then Repeat Could go either way Great water shark bullet is countered By earth Grundge Fear

I said in that very quote "Kakuzu would probably counter with iron skin, but Hidan is done." You must of missed that. Really doesn't matter anyways. What matters is, how does Kakuzu escape water dome.

Proof his hearts can swim? Kisames sharks can still take them out even if they can swim.

I don't know why you think Zabuza will be caught in it when it would be extremely likely that Kisame would warn him and tell him to stand back before he casts his jutsu or Kisame can simply allow him to swim out of the Water Dome.

And how does Earth Grudge Fear counter Great Shark Bullet, as well as 1,000 sharks.

Show me a scan of When He keeps Up with Someone skilled in taijutsu/Kenjutsu with just his sword...

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[Zexion~]

I said in that very quote "Kakuzu would probably counter with iron skin, but Hidan is done." You must of missed that. Really doesn't matter anyways. What matters is, how does Kakuzu escape water dome.

Proof his hearts can swim? Kisames sharks can still take them out even if they can swim.

I don't know why you think Zabuza will be caught in it when it would be extremely likely that Kisame would warn him and tell him to stand back before he casts his jutsu or Kisame can simply allow him to swim out of the Water Dome.

And how does Earth Grudge Fear counter Great Shark Bullet, as well as 1,000 sharks.

Well If Kisame warns Zabuza Kakuzu will Pick it up as well ?? and will then warn hidan and they will fall back .. And They have hands and feet .. they can swim ( but i guess i am assuming) But it is a Fairly Logical assumption.... Once again a hundred Sharks Cant pierce domu And Earth Grunge Fear counters Shark Bomb because the threads can pierce the shark they are not made of chakra and They would reach kisame .

And ya i was Multi tasking when i read your post i apologize i shouldn't do that with you

 

[Penguin]

Still no counter to my argument? you were wrong, as i thought.

What arguement do you have?

 

[Zexion~]

I said in that very quote "Kakuzu would probably counter with iron skin, but Hidan is done." You must of missed that. Really doesn't matter anyways. What matters is, how does Kakuzu escape water dome.

Proof his hearts can swim? Kisames sharks can still take them out even if they can swim.

I don't know why you think Zabuza will be caught in it when it would be extremely likely that Kisame would warn him and tell him to stand back before he casts his jutsu or Kisame can simply allow him to swim out of the Water Dome.

And how does Earth Grudge Fear counter Great Shark Bullet, as well as 1,000 sharks.

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He required His sharkskin to appear Believe me im not trying to say kisame does nothing and leaves it to his sword he wields his weapon well.. It reacting on its on is a key component to his Ability with the sword .. While Hidans Abilities With his scythe are vast enougt to stand a chance going one on one in taijutsu with a sharingan user ..While its all him

Hidan also relies on quick blows While kisame Has Slow Heavy Movements

 

[Obito3631]

What arguement do you have?

Earth grudge fear which you poorly attempted to counter and all you could come up with was "He never started off a fight using it"
One of the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. You're bad at this kid.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Well If Kisame warns Zabuza Kakuzu will Pick it up as well ?? and will then warn hidan and they will fall back .. And They have hands and feet .. they can swim ( but i guess i am assuming) But it is a Fairly Logical assumption.... Once again a hundred Sharks Cant pierce domu And Earth Grunge Fear counters Shark Bomb because the threads can pierce the shark they are not made of chakra and They would reach kisame .

And ya i was Multi tasking when i read your post i apologize i shouldn't do that with you

He can use Iron Skin all he wants, he still isn't getting any oxygen as well as his chakra being drained away from him.

Those aren't counters, you're simply using which works well against each technique. He can either use Iron Skin or Earth Grudge Fear, you pick. 1,000 Sharks takes care of Earth Grudge while Great Shark Bomb takes care of Iron Skin.

 

[Zexion~]

He can use Iron Skin all he wants, he still isn't getting any oxygen as well as his chakra being drained away from him.

Those aren't counters, you're simply using which works well against each technique. He can either use Iron Skin or Earth Grudge Fear, you pick. 1,000 Sharks takes care of Earth Grudge while Great Shark Bomb takes care of Iron Skin.

Oh i see your saying he uses Great Water Shark Bomb In the Water .. he hasnt been shown to use both at the same time in the water dome thats pretty outrageous using to high level jutsus like that at once.. So Kisame will have to go one at a time... Your also Forgetting Kakuzu could merge his two hearts creating wind+Fire whcih evaporates Water Style...

 

[Penguin]

Earth grudge fear which you poorly attempted to counter and all you could come up with was "He never started off a fight using it"
One of the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. You're bad at this kid.

Earth Grudge Fear huh. He has never started a fight out using it. He would start out in his normal form, just like any other fight he hass been in. Not a poor arguement, it is just a butthurt Hidan fan trying too make up wierd scenarios that contra-dict the manga is argueing with me. Yes I am a kid, are you a 40 year old on a base with teenagers and young adults wierdo? Ok gramps..

 

[Obito3631]

Earth Grudge Fear huh. He has never started a fight out using it. He would start out in his normal form, just like any other fight he hass been in. Not a poor arguement, it is just a butthurt Hidan fan trying too make up wierd scenarios that contra-dict the manga is argueing with me. Yes I am a kid, are you a 40 year old on a base with teenagers and young adults wierdo? Ok gramps..

You clearly have no notion of this manga whatsoever.
Kakuzu doesnt have to start off in his complete earth grudge fear form, it was never even implied, he can extend his arms with his tendrils to grab people without necesseraly having to go into this state

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How am I contradicting the manga? you just have no notion and you try to argue with me when i'm clearly more experienced, Oh I'm making up weird scenarios huh? LMAO, it's becoming more and more obvious that you didn't read the manga, you should just stay away from these kind of debates your ignorance won't allow you to compete with me.

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