[VS] Kisame Vs Tobirama

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The person who can absorb chakra is getting blitzed with a ninjutsu that would take longer to execute than just a normal kunai slice?

Kisame can win this tbh.
I'd have to pull up the scan, but I thought that Tobirama's Water Slice was pretty much instant. If it's as fast as I remember then I see no way Kisame survives an FTG slip behind followed up by a slice. Kisame isn't reacting with Samehada to avoid that.
 

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I'd have to pull up the scan, but I thought that Tobirama's Water Slice was pretty much instant. If it's as fast as I remember then I see no way Kisame survives an FTG slip behind followed up by a slice. Kisame isn't reacting with Samehada to avoid that.
Kisame turns the terrain into water (this is also a beach) so I don't see how he gets behind to mark the ground behind him and then come back around and use FTG.
 

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Kisame turns the terrain into water (this is also a beach) so I don't see how he gets behind to mark the ground behind him and then come back around and use FTG.
This would happen far before Kisame has a chance to move off the coast or turn the ground to liquid. Tobirama is in a whole other class of speed that Kisame isn't consistently reacting to. Even if Kisame was able to do this, Tobirama can accomplish that same thing with a marked kunai.

And it was incredibly fast, I found the scans;

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Bottom line is that Kisame has good reaction feats against Bee, but not good enough to suggest he can avoid a blitz from a Hirashin/FTG user. Especially one that can cut him in half instantly after FTGing.
 

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Kisame on easy diff. Kisame was able to regenerate after Bee's lariat. How Tobirama will kill him :)) With a kunai ? :)))
+ Kisame is more skilled in water type techniques, rather than Tobirama. To say shortly, Kisame is anti Tobirama
 

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Tobirama wins.

Kisame's severely outclassed in speed given the fact that Tobirama blitzed an MS user and proceeded to tag Juubito multiple times prior to his bisection. He then was capable of completely out-maneuvering KCM Minato by using the Shunshin to reach him and tagged Juubito's TSB before KCM Minato could even move his arm a few inches.

Given that, once Tobirama moves, Kisame's barely going to move an inch prior to getting decapitated via Hiraishin Giri or his penetrative Suiton.
 

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This would happen far before Kisame has a chance to move off the coast or turn the ground to liquid. Tobirama is in a whole other class of speed that Kisame isn't consistently reacting to. Even if Kisame was able to do this, Tobirama can accomplish that same thing with a marked kunai.

And it was incredibly fast, I found the scans;

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Bottom line is that Kisame has good reaction feats against Bee, but not good enough to suggest he can avoid a blitz from a Hirashin/FTG user. Especially one that can cut him in half instantly after FTGing.
Except Tobirama has to go behind Kisame for this to work, then back in front of him. The speed gap is there but its not large enough that Kisame is going to sit there dumbfounded, also the moment the fight starts he's doing this this means that

A) If Tobirama has set up an FTG point when he Hirashins he's getting pushed away by the currents, (also him using that jutsu is just as long as all other suitons nothing states its incredibly fast) he uses the handseal then gathers the water in his mouth.

B) You're also forgetting Samehada has a small field of absorption (and can move on its own) so its debatable to say the jutsu wouldn't be absorbed when you take into account the water influence. Tobirama still has a chance to win but an FTG blitz right from the start? Eh especially if he's not marking Kisame himself.

Full intel Kisame takes this though although VS threads like that are scarce these days.
 

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Except Tobirama has to go behind Kisame for this to work, then back in front of him. The speed gap is there but its not large enough that Kisame is going to sit there dumbfounded, also the moment the fight starts he's doing this this means that

A) If Tobirama has set up an FTG point when he Hirashins he's getting pushed away by the currents, (also him using that jutsu is just as long as all other suitons nothing states its incredibly fast) he uses the handseal then gathers the water in his mouth.

B) You're also forgetting Samehada has a small field of absorption (and can move on its own) so its debatable to say the jutsu wouldn't be absorbed when you take into account the water influence. Tobirama still has a chance to win but an FTG blitz right from the start? Eh especially if he's not marking Kisame himself.

Full intel Kisame takes this though although VS threads like that are scarce these days.
None of what you just said makes any remote sense.

Tobirama doesn't have to go back in front of him. He throws a marked kunai, FTGs, and then cuts him in half. The speed gap between the two is massive, Kisame doesn't have a remote chance of pulling that off. If he wastes time spewing water everywhere, Tobirama cuts him in half. Hell, Tobirama could apply pressure with base speed. No FTG needed.

Severing Wave was literally cast between two panels time, one after the other. Tobirama used it as soon as Naruto was caught in the branches. So, no, that's false. Tobirama has displayed some of the fastest Suiton feats in the manga. At BEST, Kisame's Suiton matches Tobirama's, in which case he still gets cut in half before Kisame can do any damage.

Provide me some scans of Samehada's "area of absorbtion" and Samehada bending to absorb a jutsu faster than Kisame can react defensively.

Until you give some actual speed feats for Kisame here, he gets trashed in the first 15 seconds. And that's being generous.
 

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None of what you just said makes any remote sense.

Tobirama doesn't have to go back in front of him. He throws a marked kunai, FTGs, and then cuts him in half. The speed gap between the two is massive, Kisame doesn't have a remote chance of pulling that off. If he wastes time spewing water everywhere, Tobirama cuts him in half. Hell, Tobirama could apply pressure with base speed. No FTG needed.

Severing Wave was literally cast between two panels time, one after the other. Tobirama used it as soon as Naruto was caught in the branches. So, no, that's false. Tobirama has displayed some of the fastest Suiton feats in the manga. At BEST, Kisame's Suiton matches Tobirama's, in which case he still gets cut in half before Kisame can do any damage.

Provide me some scans of Samehada's "area of absorbtion" and Samehada bending to absorb a jutsu faster than Kisame can react defensively.

Until you give some actual speed feats for Kisame here, he gets trashed in the first 15 seconds. And that's being generous.
You're using the Kunai lmfao what?

Kisame blocks it with Samehada, and that ruins your entire strategy as when he uses FTG he'd be right in front of the same thing that can absorb his jutsu lol.

His speed is better but you forget most if not all of his feats involve the opponent being distracted by someone else.

sword that pierced his body also had its raiton absorbed despite the other one actually striking Samehada itself, pretty sure the is another example somewhere as well.

Tobirama used it as soon as Naruto was caught in the branches. So, no, that's false. Tobirama has displayed some of the fastest Suiton feats in the manga.
Lol its a suiton bro, it doesn't take that much time to use, one handseal and gathered the water the panels are irrelevant Kakashi utilized a larger suiton wall in a single panel as well.

Whats that point of hyping his speed here if you're stating his using kunai anyways? Kisame uses his suiton to change the battlefield immediately and all Kunai are blocked and his suiton absorbed or even evaded if he doesn't start using it till after he FTG's. You showing me a scan of him slicing the branches is useless.

Notice how Naruto was already being pulled into the tree before Tobirama could use the suiton, hence why all the branches were able to get in his way.
 

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You're using the Kunai lmfao what?

Kisame blocks it with Samehada, and that ruins your entire strategy as when he uses FTG he'd be right in front of the same thing that can absorb his jutsu lol.
Tobirama can throw it any direction behind Kisame, dumbass. The point is that the Kunai needs to get past Kisame so that it can be FTG'd to in order to throw Kisame off.

His speed is better but you forget most if not all of his feats involve the opponent being distracted by someone else.

sword that pierced his body also had its raiton absorbed despite the other one actually striking Samehada itself, pretty sure the is another example somewhere as well.
His speed isn't just "better", it puts Kisame to shame. Tobirama dances around Kisame in base, FTG makes this a stomp in this category. Tobirama's speed has nothing to do with his targets being distracted, so drop that stupid argument. He blitzed an MS user that was looking directly at him.

That's it? That's what you were talking about? A 1 foot range outside of Samehada? That is not nearly enough to avoid getting fatally injured by Severing Wave. It's highly pressurized water able to cut through massive tree trunks, soaking up the chakra from a slower blade at a closer range does not mean Samehada can replicate it with Severing Wave. Another dumbass argument.



Lol its a suiton bro, it doesn't take that much time to use, one handseal and gathered the water the panels are irrelevant Kakashi utilized a larger suiton wall in a single panel as well.
I don't understand what your point is here. Thanks for admitting I'm correct? All you did was admit that Severing Wave as a Suiton was incredibly fast.

Whats that point of hyping his speed here if you're stating his using kunai anyways? Kisame uses his suiton to change the battlefield immediately and all Kunai are blocked and his suiton absorbed or even evaded if he doesn't start using it till after he FTG's. You showing me a scan of him slicing the branches is useless.
Because the example of the marked kunai is just entertaining your dumbass position. If you want, I'll drop it entirely, because Tobirama doesn't need it. His base speed and Shunshin shits on Kisame. I was just pointing out that even if you WERE correct in stating that Kisame can flood an area before Tobirama can blitz him, there are still avenues for Tobirama to take. But you're right, it's pointless to go down that road since Kisame doesn't have a chance in hell of getting anything off before being killed.

Notice how Naruto was already being pulled into the tree before Tobirama could use the suiton, hence why all the branches were able to get in his way.
That's a speed feat for the branches, not an indication that Tobirama's Suiton was slow. Use some common sense here, skippy; What do you think is more likely? That Tobirama performed Severing Wave within a second of seeing Naruto being kidnapped (as the panels demonstrate), or did Tobirama sit for 5 seconds holding water in his mouth in that exact same position before using it? Because that's retarded, and it's what you're implying.

Funny how you just entirely avoid certain arguments, too. Even assuming Kisame's speed, jutsu, and Suiton COULD match Tobirama's in speed, it doesn't matter. Because if Kisame tries vomiting an ocean, Tobirama will use that exact same moment to severe him in half.

Again, provide feats and scans that demonstrate Kisame has any prayer of reacting and dealing with Tobirama, or get the hell out. I don't want to read any other garbage you try to push forward here without actual speed feats suggesting he's on that level.
 

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Can you tell me, why can't Kisame just use samehada as a shield, against this technique ? He even do not need to "be in direct contact" with this technique to absorb it. It's just a low lvl technique (For Kisame).
Tobirama's speed and the speed of the Tech are far too great for Kisame to react or even block it. For what you're saying to work, Kisame would need to maneuver Samehada into place in anticipation of the attack. That isn't happening with Tobirama's speed.
 

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Tobirama and this techniqiu AINT this fast. Kisame's clone or something like it, was fighting with guy, who is incredible fast and even bet him in taijutsu. As i remember. If tobirama was so fast and were able to kill kage lvl shinobis with next move : (throw marked kunai, FTG, slice someone in a half), why would he was killed by Ginkaku/Kinkaku ? It just aint make sense.
 

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Can you tell me, why can't Kisame just use samehada as a shield, against this technique ? He even do not need to "be in direct contact" with this technique to absorb it. It's just a low lvl technique (For Kisame).
Depends. If he fuses, then he might be able to absorb it, but if he simply attempts to parry impending attacks through Samehada as he did against V1 Bee, then he can't respond to it because Tobirama's simply too fast.

And quit the low-rank bullshit. Rank is only reflective of the difficulty of learning the technique, but any skilled shinobi, especially one of Tobirama's caliber can refine and polish the technique beyond what most people are capable of. Shunshin is a C or D-Rank Ninjutsu yet Raikage uses it with such great finesse that he was even revered by the Yellow Flash.
 
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