Kisame vs MS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

Makes sense. Still means it won't absorb a v4 though, and I've already stated it being capable of absorbing infinite chakra doesn't mean anything since the Susano must be consumed by Daikodan for it to be absorbed.

It'd take most (at least and very unlikely) or all of a V4 (far more likely) unless you think MS Sasuke's V4 Susanoo has that much more chakra than Killer B's V2 cloak.

 

[Manda II]

Actually, it was almost all of Hachibi's chakra, not just the cloak.

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[KidGamer65]

Yeah, after multiple absorption sessions. Samehada can only take 6 tails at a time I believe....which means I guess the V2 chakra cloak doesn't contain as much chakra on it's own as the V1. But meh, the point should still stand.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Any reasonable person would conclude that GSB is taking out a V4 susano'o, given multiple reasons that suggest it. Apex just wants to be difficult and ignore all reason - just as he was with Samehada absorbing Amaterasu, because it's the Uchiha.

 

[Beans2]

Any reasonable person would conclude that GSB is taking out a V4 susano'o, given multiple reasons that suggest it. Apex just wants to be difficult and ignore all reason - just as he was with Samehada absorbing Amaterasu, because it's the Uchiha.

Actually I thought the strategy of slashing the shark with a Susanoo blade to destroy it before it consumes Susanoo was valid.

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually I thought the strategy of slashing the shark with a Susanoo blade to destroy it before it consumes Susanoo was valid.

Since when did a V4 Susanoo have the power to slash through and completely obliterate something made of water that dwarfs his Susanoo and is much larger than any Bijuu?

 

[Beans2]

Since when did a V4 Susanoo have the power to slash through and completely obliterate something made of water that dwarfs his Susanoo and is much larger than any Bijuu?

GSB=Hirudora [

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]. Hirudora is slightly larger than V3 Susanoo [

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]. V4 Susanoo is much bigger than V4 Susanoo [

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] so it's bigger than GSB. V2 Susanoo slashed through four thick stone pillars [

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], scale that up and I think V4 Susanoo would be able to cut in half a shark missile made of water.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Actually I thought the strategy of slashing the shark with a Susanoo blade to destroy it before it consumes Susanoo was valid.

I was specifically talking about GSB being able to absorb V4 susano'o amounts of chakra, which he is denying for the sole reason that it's "no limit fallacy". But to your point, I don't see how Susano'o is going to cut through a suiton technique without any destructive power, such as shockwaves. It's water...

 

[Beans2]

I was specifically talking about GSB being able to absorb V4 susano'o amounts of chakra, which he is denying for the sole reason that it's "no limit fallacy".

Oh, lmao. Yeah that should be obvious to anyone. GSB would just eat v4 Susanoo's chakra then get bigger and stronger.

 

[KidGamer65]

GSB=Hirudora [

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]. Hirudora is slightly larger than V3 Susanoo [

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]. V4 Susanoo is much bigger than V4 Susanoo [

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] so it's bigger than GSB. V2 Susanoo slashed through four thick stone pillars [

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], scale that up and I think V4 Susanoo would be able to cut in half a shark missile made of water.

Should be pretty obvious that the Hirudora used against Madara is smaller than the one used on Kisame. All you have to do is compare Hirudora to Gai in 507, and then compare Hirudora to Madara in 608. GSB dwarfs Susanoo.

 

[ToshiZO]

Gotta love the featless GSB.

 

[Zee U]

Should be pretty obvious that the Hirudora used against Madara is smaller than the one used on Kisame. All you have to do is compare Hirudora to Gai in 507, and then compare Hirudora to Madara in 608. GSB dwarfs Susanoo.

^ Someone here calculated GSB, and it turned out to be near 50 meters

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. I personally did Sasuke's V3/Naruto's BSM and they were around 70 meters, Daikodan is way bigger than a legless Susanoo which at best is around 30 meters.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

How does Kisame stop it also kisame starts in the middle of waterdome while Sasuke if caught while be around or near the edges of it giving him enough time to swim underground waterdome and length from top to bottom is not that large these snakes was looking over the village tops

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and 3 of them meaning kisame would have to intercept the right one either way Sasuke escaping is happening. Kisame has no choice once Sasuke get to his hawk kisame is a sitting duck, Kirin literally takes little to no chakra

add the fact that sasuke chooses to let it go so its does not come down on its own because its ready when he's ready so kisame going underground counters nothing, Water shark wave is blistered right through kirin is a giant lighting bolt the rock defense of the uchiha hideout did not slow it down the water is not either especially since he's only using it from the water he created with waterdome. while the latter used it from the ocean.

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, and is easily much bigger then Gamabunta while comparing him to trees[

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], whom isn't much shorter then those snake summons [

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]. Thus, the WD is definitely containing them. Also, Kisame while fused is a sensor, so he'll know exactly in which one Sasuke is hiding. All he has to do is latch onto it, and suck it dry of it's chakra.

It's a weather based attack, thus it's not going to sit there forever. Subteranean Voyage and confusing Sasuke with Mizu Bunshins guarantees that he'll never get hit by Kirin (assuming he even allows Sasuke to prep it). Suiton is actually a very useful defense. Gai couldn't punch through Kisames water prison, and Suegetsu was able to take on a point blank Bijuu laser without getting obliterated to nothing. Water Shockwave will definitely soften the blow.

Nature being Manda meaning shark skin would not be able to absorb its chakra or power, Naruto was handling what just fine?

Manda has chakra. Sasuke used genjutsu on it, which works by manipulating the targets chakra. Naruto was handling giant snake summons just fine [

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]. They're fodder food in front of Kisame.

Na bro, that's not what I mean. 100% Kisame might have lost like 10% chakra from creating that amount of water, and you wouldn't get any indication that he lost that amount of chakra. Continiously shape manipulating the water would also take quite some chakra over time. If Sasuke uses Amaterasu for the first time in a fight it might take, say, 15% of his chakra, but you wouldn't notice any 'dent' on his chakra. Same case here. If Kisame tries to manipulate a large body of water for an hour straight then he'll end up low on chakra.

Absortion takes time, he only was shown to be surprised after the Hirudora reached 10 meters inside the GSB [

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]. He doesn't need to question the amount of chakra for there to be a limit, because there is obviously a limit (it's not absorbing TBB's, Juubi lasers, etc, nor is it absorbing v3 Susano and over.
@bold, Doesn't matter what you say, it's no limits fallacy to suggest it can absorb huge quantities of chakra. And hell, I'll even drop this argument if you want and say PS gets absorbed, but that won't matter because Susano will never be inside the GSB in the first place. As shown, GSB needs to consume the jutsu. Sasuke using a V3 Susano or v4 Susano extended sword (yes, he decides how large the sword is) cuts the GSB with a slash (it's barely ever, if ever, used a thrust, which is the only thing that'd get absorbed). A slash will destroy the GSB since the GSB doesn't absorb from outside, it only absorbs anything inside it. Bunshins are irrelevant if Sasuke is airborne, and get recked due to them being 1/10th power. And lol, what? All the ground he passes turns into fluid. Unless you are actually trying to suggest the ground returns to solid once he passes it.. lol. And Kisame is incapable of staying under ground for prolonged periods of time, he needs to breathe after all. Once Sasuke sees that Kisame's going back to the surface Kisame gets one shotted. Using Aoda can easily end up destroying your entire Subterranean Voyage argument as well, since Aoda fishes him out with his mouth.

But this is 30% Kisame. At 30% his capacity:

>Subteranean Voyage
>Water Shockwave, and held it together throughout the duration of the fight
>Split his chakra by 1/10 three times by creating 3 Mizu Bunshins
>3 Water Prisons
>5 Feeding Sharks

Zero indication of chakra shortage. Zero indication that any of this dented his reserves at 30%. He is a chakra beast. 100% Kisame will be more then fine, especially if he absorbs any of Sasuke's jutsu/chakra.

What, a second or two at best? Nothing significant that aids your argument. I'm not even going to waist my time discussing the absorption bit with you. You're coming off extremely ignorant, and tossing all reason and logic right out the window, while barking "no limit fallacy". GSB can't absorb a V3 susano'o? What a joke. I don't see you agreeing when the very same shit logic is used against Yata Mirror, because of its lack of feats; but of course, since we're up against a Uchiha here...Smh. Only Susano'o sword slash that carries destructive power to obliterate GSB is PS. Anything below that only cuts cleanly, which isn't going to destrupt the GSB. It being a giant suiton technique and heald together with Kisames chakra, will simply phase right through the sword and reform.

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Red box shows the front of GSB being disfigured due to the clash with Hirudora. Blue box shows GSB being reformed after the clash. It's essentially just like Kisames Mizu Bunshins

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and then reshaping

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right after. A clean slash isn't going to disrupt GSBs shape and cause it to disperse. All the ground he bypasses turns into liquid... Again, he doesn't need to swim on the surface of the ground. When he submerges and swims downward, the earth directly above him will remain solid, as it's only the earth he's travelling through that turns into liquid. Kakashi had no trouble breathing underground where he was hiding from Naruto and Sakura. Furthermore, Kisame while fused with Samehada can breath underwater (100% made from Kisames chakra), which is essentially the same thing as Subteranean Voyage. Aoda easily loses an underground battle against Kisame. You really want to go this route too? Boss summons aren't doing shit.

 

[EZQ]

If Kisame throws GSB at susano it absorbs it completely, not only leaving the susano user without his defence, but also making the shark bullet itself even stronger and bigger.

If Kisame throws it at Sasuke, and Sasuke tries to cover with v4 susano, his susano gets eaten and he dies from the bullet impact.

 

[Manda II]

I tried to make a quick calc comparing the height of GSB's mouth to Sasuke's V4. (Thanks Zee U for the help) The end result was that GSB's mouth is able to devour something of V4's size.

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V4 = 370 px

Sasuke = 49 px


Susano'o= 7.55 x 168 cm (Sasuke’s height in P2) = 1268.57cm

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GSB mouth = 118 px

Kisame = 17 px


GSB's mouth= 6.94 x 195 (Kisame’s height in P2) = 1353.3 cm

I used EMS Sasuke's V4 for this size comparison, which logically should be somewhat taller and larger compared to his regular MS v4 due to the new armour and increased chakra reserves. GSB comfortably would be able to absorb a V4 Susano'o from MS users.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I tried to make a quick calc comparing the height of GSB's mouth to Sasuke's V4. (Thanks Zee U for the help) The end result was that GSB's mouth is able to devour something of V4's size.

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EMS Sasuke's V4 [

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V4 = 370 px

Sasuke = 49 px


Susano'o= 7.55 x 168 cm (Sasuke’s height in P2) = 1268.57cm

GSB's mouth [

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GSB mouth = 118 px

Kisame = 17 px


GSB's mouth= 6.94 x 195 (Kisame’s height in P2) = 1353.3 cm

I used EMS Sasuke's V4 for this size comparison, which logically should be somewhat taller and larger compared to his regular MS v4 due to the new armour and increased chakra reserves. GSB comfortably would be able to absorb a V4 Susano'o from MS users.

Not to mention, even if whatever the GSB is clashing with is bigger then it's mouth; it should still be capable of absorbing the targets chakra. Hirudora was just as big the entire GSB, nevermind it's mouth, yet Kisame was still completely confident it would still get absorbed. The databook mentions no such restriction to GSB's mechanics either.

In the red box below, it shows GSB clashing with something bigger then it's mouth, yet it did exactly what it was stated to do.

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[FemmeFatale]

Amaterasu styled Shark.

 

[Unorthodox]

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, and is easily much bigger then Gamabunta while comparing him to trees[

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], whom isn't much shorter then those snake summons [

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]. Thus, the WD is definitely containing them. Also, Kisame while fused is a sensor, so he'll know exactly in which one Sasuke is hiding. All he has to do is latch onto it, and suck it dry of it's chakra.

Wrong snake stand up on their mid belly or body

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meaning the height of the snake its not the actual length but in water the the full body is out making it much easier for them to swim undergroung giving the length they have also no one ever said waterdome was not going to contain them. Okay if Kisame can sense the other to snakes used they're bodies to attack kisame holding him off untill Sasuke escape, Sucking their chakra causes him to turn into a stone snake so it would be gg for kisame.

It's a weather based attack, thus it's not going to sit there forever. Subteranean Voyage and confusing Sasuke with Mizu Bunshins guarantees that he'll never get hit by Kirin (assuming he even allows Sasuke to prep it). Suiton is actually a very useful defense. Gai couldn't punch through Kisames water prison, and Suegetsu was able to take on a point blank Bijuu laser without getting obliterated to nothing. Water Shockwave will definitely soften the blow.

with Amaterasu's inability to be extinguished by water, it can be used to continuously create new thunder clouds

Do you even know how Kirin works or are you just sprouting nonsense? read the quote amaterasu can burn for 7 days and 7 nights not like that'll happen but as long as its producing heat Kirin can stay up there as long as Sasuke wants it to. Subteranean Voyage would mean his water dome is gone i presume and his clones are easy to spot as they do not wield shark skin

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but lets pretend it is not gone and he uses a clone while he's fused with shark skin Sasuke could use fodder snakes to atleast get them near each other or he uses kirin at the first sight of him swimming down because why would the real kisame stay above where he can be easily hit. Gai not being able to punch through kisame's water prison is not evidence Kirin would not plow through all the water of waterdome which is not even used like water prison to began with, Waterdome is just a giant suiton ball which the opponent can move freely through like they are swimming through a river while water prison is more dense and restrict movement hence the name prison.

Suigetsu tanking a tbb wave no for 1 he did not tank he was almost dead 2 the tbb did not explode on suigetsu either the blast just seperated him seen by all the water gushing out from the sides

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that is the only reason suigetsu lived and those points do not help kisame at all He's a solid thing suigetsu was not kirin is a giant lighting bolt meaning even before its explosion its still deadly enough to plow through the uchiha hideout

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Kisame is dead.

Manda has chakra. Sasuke used genjutsu on it, which works by manipulating the targets chakra. Naruto was handling giant snake summons just fine [

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BRUH!

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Gamabunta DSM Kabuto Juugo all are pumped full of nature energy and all can be caught in genjutsu, Kabuto tried his best to not be caught in genjutsu by fighting through pure sensory alone Juugo in very intuned through nature and Sasuke always catches him in a genjutsu aswell the only difference between manda and bunta is them being to different animals both can be caught in genjutsu that was a very dumb post.

Irrelevant those of 2 different snakes the ones i posted are far larger and have a 3 tomoe symbol on themselves. People need to know shark skin is not preta path rapid fire susanoo arrows kills kisame.

 

[Apêx1]

But this is 30% Kisame. At 30% his capacity:

>Subteranean Voyage
>Water Shockwave, and held it together throughout the duration of the fight
>Split his chakra by 1/10 three times by creating 3 Mizu Bunshins
>3 Water Prisons
>5 Feeding Sharks

Not really anything chakra consuming here apart from Water Shockwave.. Splitting his chakra by 1/10th is 9%, all the jutsu there apart from Shockwave could be like 5%, and then the shockwave could've cost x amount of chakra. Not sure what this is supposed to prove.

Zero indication of chakra shortage. Zero indication that any of this dented his reserves at 30%. He is a chakra beast. 100% Kisame will be more then fine, especially if he absorbs any of Sasuke's jutsu/chakra.

Once again, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. ONly because he wasn't shown to have his chakra levels be affected doesn't mean they weren't. He reduced his chakra by 9% and showed no signs of fatigue. Does that mean he didn't lose 9% of his chakra? No, because it doesn't need to be shown for it to be a fact. So it's baseless to say he can use the jutsu for hours upon hours when his best chakra feats where after absorbing huge amounts of chakra from v1-v2 Bee and then saying his strength grows according to his opponent's chakra.

What, a second or two at best? Nothing significant that aids your argument. I'm not even going to waist my time discussing the absorption bit with you. You're coming off extremely ignorant, and tossing all reason and logic right out the window, while barking "no limit fallacy". GSB can't absorb a V3 susano'o? What a joke. I don't see you agreeing when the very same shit logic is used against Yata Mirror, because of its lack of feats; but of course, since we're up against a Uchiha here...Smh. Only Susano'o sword slash that carries destructive power to obliterate GSB is PS. Anything below that only cuts cleanly, which isn't going to destrupt the GSB. It being a giant suiton technique and heald together with Kisames chakra, will simply phase right through the sword and reform.

It aids my argument tremendously, it takes time to absorb and thus the Susano arrows can move through it without being absorbed. A second is far linger then it takes for the Susano arrow to reach its destination given the speed in which it is portrayed to move at. I don't argue Yata Mirror is invulnerable to attacks, I argue it's ethereal, reflects attacks and has greater durability then the v4, all of which are logical and can be easily explained. You don't see me spouting Yata Mirror protecting against v2 Juubi TBB's and the like. Also, I would like your input on this as I am confused, Hirudora and GSB seem to have inconsistent sizes. Size here [

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Red box shows the front of GSB being disfigured due to the clash with Hirudora. Blue box shows GSB being reformed after the clash. It's essentially just like Kisames Mizu Bunshins

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and then reshaping

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right after. A clean slash isn't going to disrupt GSBs shape and cause it to disperse. All the ground he bypasses turns into liquid... Again, he doesn't need to swim on the surface of the ground. When he submerges and swims downward, the earth directly above him will remain solid, as it's only the earth he's travelling through that turns into liquid. Kakashi had no trouble breathing underground where he was hiding from Naruto and Sakura. Furthermore, Kisame while fused with Samehada can breath underwater (100% made from Kisames chakra), which is essentially the same thing as Subteranean Voyage. Aoda easily loses an underground battle against Kisame. You really want to go this route too? Boss summons aren't doing shit.

I suggest you look back at the original page [

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]. You can clearly see his mouth was disfigured and it did not reform. And I'll agree with you that Kisame going further underground would allow him to prevent the ground above him from turning into fluid, but nothing ever even suggested that fluid was water. So he wouldn't be able to breathe as you are suggesting. So Sasuke just waits for him to come back while he loses his breathe (5 mins tops) and he ends up getting smashed by Susano arrow(s) since Sasuke can see underground with his SHaringan. And lol, how does Kisame do anything to Aoda in an underground battle, Aoda swallows him and Sasuke un-summons him and Kisame has lost via BFR. If Kisame really thinks a battle of waiting out Sasuke's Hawk to go is possible then Sasuke can take advantage of the time he receives by using his Katon Dragon's to heat up the sky to ready-up a Kirin (DB states they are the reason the thunderclouds formed, Ama is just a bonus).

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The original page has a panel of the face with no damage being present. Literally dead set in the middle. Either it didn't take any fee-sable damage from the clash with Hirudora, or Daikodan is able to regenerate through unknown means. . .