Kisame vs Minato

[blazekev90]

That's an argument out of sheer ignorance. Minato's Sage Mode having no feats doesn't correspond to Minato's Sage Mode being ineffective against Kisame.

Irrelevant. Point blank period.

Disagree? Tell how it would be effective?

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

So now we are arguing Kisame will straight up tank a Kunai to his jugular? You people should quit before this gets even more hilarious than it already is.

Oh and I did explain how he'll escape right? That was the major threat. Tagging Kisame is the easiest thing via the use of clones and close contact with them. Ending him, would be the easiest thing too

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It's actually desperation suggesting that Kisame could tank a direct attack from Minato's physical strength. I'm not concerned about the Hachibi slicing off his own limbs when he's one of the strongest beings in the entire manga.

That's the simplistic explanation, but it's more rather that Minato's attack slammed the tentacle at high speeds which knocked Raikage off his feet as a result. I simply fail to see why Kisame withstands the attack when Kisame's explicitly shown to be susceptible to penetrative attacks.

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So i guess if Minato clash his Kunai against Samehada it's going to rip right through Samehada

 

[NarutoX28]

Irrelevant. Point blank period.

Disagree? Tell how it would be effective?

It's a logical fallacy to suggest something is false based on the fact that it hasn't been proven true, especially when manga statements blatantly contradict that.

Wasn't even arguing how it'd be effective, I'm just pointing out that the logic you're using is flawed.

 

[NarutoX28]

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So i guess if Minato clash his Kunai against Samehada it's going to rip right through Samehada

Presuming that Kisame inherited Samehada's "armored" characteristics.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Presuming that Kisame inherited Samehada's "armored" characteristics.

He's fused with it so that means he take it's properties. He took the absorbtion and slicing properties but not the durability? What would be the point of fusing? Lol just stop.

 

[KidGamer65]

He's fused with it so that means he take it's properties. He took the absorbtion and slicing properties but not the durability? What would be the point of fusing? Lol just stop.

Lmao you really need to cut the BS and start getting some evidence for your claims. The only property of Samehada that Kisame has displayed while fused is the ability to absorb chakra. The only time he gains anything close to blades is if he sprouts them of his own will.

 

[blazekev90]

It's a logical fallacy to suggest something is false based on the fact that it hasn't been proven true, especially when manga statements blatantly contradict that.

Wasn't even arguing how it'd be effective, I'm just pointing out that the logic you're using is flawed.

If we can't determine how effective it'd be in combat, what's the point of mentioning it?

I never said he didn't possess SM, I said his feats/enchancements while using SM are unknown.

 

[Private Investigator]

Minato being able summon Ma and Pa is debatable.

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

Lmao you really need to cut the BS and start getting some evidence for your claims. The only property of Samehada that Kisame has displayed while fused is the ability to absorb chakra. The only time he gains anything close to blades is if he sprouts them of his own will.

I need evidence?
fuse1
fyo͞oz/Submit
verb
past tense: fused; past participle: fused
1.
join or blend to form a single entity.

That's the definition of fusion i assume Kisame got everything else outside the durability so that Minato cutting Kisame with his kunai could be convenient for your argument.

 

[blazekev90]

Not really.

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I'm aware of that. TBogard has used it plenty of times. However, it doesn't explain the fact that Pa/Ma have expressed having no knowledge of Minato whatsoever. Secondly, it was stated that they're no ordinary summonings and if I remember correctly only Jman possessed that ability.

 

[NarutoX28]

If we can't determine how effective it'd be in combat, what's the point of mentioning it?

I never said he didn't possess SM, I said his feats/enchancements while using SM are unknown.

I'm well aware of what you were claiming, I'm just stating it's a logical fallacy to assume that Sage Mode is a non-factor based on the fact that it lacks feats. The manga explicitly stated that Minato possessed superlative speed even amongst the best which enabled him to subdue Obito who possessed the most superb defense in the entire manga. Given that Sage Mode bolsters Minato's capabilities, what suggests that Sage Mode would be ineffective against Kisame, provided that Kisame engages in CQC?

 

[KidGamer65]

I need evidence?
fuse1
fyo͞oz/Submit
verb
past tense: fused; past participle: fused
1.
join or blend to form a single entity.

That's the definition of fusion i assume Kisame got everything else outside the durability so that Minato cutting Kisame with his kunai could be convenient for your argument.

Lol what kind of stupid argument is this? Two objects fusing together doesn't mean that every single property of the two objects is present in the new object. Don't be stupid now. Like I said, to cut or pierce Kisame has to actually form blades from his body. So why would I assume he's as durable as Samehada was?

Oh wait, I wouldn't. So you have no point. End of story.

 

[Private Investigator]

-nonsense-

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

Lol what kind of stupid argument is this? Two objects fusing together doesn't mean that every single property of the two objects is present in the new object. Don't be stupid now. Like I said, to cut or pierce Kisame has to actually form blades from his body. So why would I assume he's as durable as Samehada was?

Oh wait, I wouldn't. So you have no point. End of story.

@BOLD- So wait just because he as durable as Samehada he's suppose to be able to cut people with his skin?

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so how would he cut someone without growing blades out of his body? But this is Narutobase where people won't admit their wrong until the matter is being discussed on a different thread.

You win=D

 

[KidGamer65]

@BOLD- So wait just because he as durable as Samehada he's suppose to be able to cut people with his skin?

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so how would he cut someone without growing blades out of his body? But this is Narutobase where people won't admit their wrong until the matter is being discussed on a different thread.

You win=D

No, the fact that his body doesn't inherently possess ALL of Samehada's traits means that you can't say he can take a Kunai to the neck because the sword he merged with can take a Kunai.

This is a fusion, not a Kisame becomes a ****ing sword. So let's cut the BS already kiddo.

 

[blazekev90]

I'm well aware of what you were claiming, I'm just stating it's a logical fallacy to assume that Sage Mode is a non-factor based on the fact that it lacks feats. The manga explicitly stated that Minato possessed superlative speed even amongst the best which enabled him to subdue Obito who possessed the most superb defense in the entire manga. Given that Sage Mode bolsters Minato's capabilities, what suggests that Sage Mode would be ineffective against Kisame, provided that Kisame engages in CQC?

@ bold: what are you basing that information on?

Yes, we're aware of this godly speed that he already possesses. Now how do we compare the two in a given scenario?

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

No, the fact that his body doesn't inherently possess ALL of Samehada's traits means that you can't say he can take a Kunai to the neck because the sword he merged with can take a Kunai.

This is a fusion, not a Kisame becomes a ****ing sword. So let's cut the BS already kiddo.

It's a combination of traits. So what do you think is entire body is supposed to be covered in blades? OK im done on this matter like i said you win bro lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's a combination of traits. So what do you think is entire body is supposed to be covered in blades? OK im done on this matter like i said you win bro lol.

"Jinton is a Fusion of elements, thus it has the traits of all the separate elements."

That is your logic. I'll just let you figure out how ridiculous that line of thinking is on your own.

 

[RedRobin]

No, the fact that his body doesn't inherently possess ALL of Samehada's traits means that you can't say he can take a Kunai to the neck because the sword he merged with can take a Kunai.

This is a fusion, not a Kisame becomes a ****ing sword. So let's cut the BS already kiddo.

Well he doesnt have a neck anymore. Lol

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[Private Investigator]

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